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it would take more than just Raef's contract, Outlaw and a mid/late 1st round pick....If Butler is to be traded...they are obviously looking to rebuild...which means better draft picks and young top talent in return....so unless the talk include Bayless, Batum or Rudy in a combination with Raef's contract along with a COUPLE 1st round picks....I think Butler will go elsewhere
 
Ok, let me say that I'm a fan of Caron Butler. As for the talk of character, he is a great example of a person who was able to change his life. He's been clean and a solid character person for many, many years. As far as his talent level is concerned, let's not think GM's will undervalue him. Look at the numbers he put up last year as the leader in Washington with Arenas sidelined. For fantasy purposes, he rates out to a FIRST ROUNDER pretty much any way that you slice it. He's the real deal on both the offensive and defensive ends.

The bigger question is what Washington is going to do. They just committed $100+ million for Arenas this off-season and a bunch more to Jamison. They need to get fans in the seats and win now. Regardless of their current record, it's hard to imagine them shipping out arguably their best player for prospects and to save money. They want to win playoff series, and now!

But maybe this does have legs to it. If they dump a lot of salary and get back some valuable prospects, then maybe they tank this season and do it (although there is seemingly no difference-maker player available in the next draft).

If the Blazers are going to upgrade though, it will be through the draft in my opinion. At least for a player of the caliber of a Caron Butler or Danny Granger. If all we need is one more piece, then I guess Portland has to make this trade and figure that using bird rights to resign our players will be enough.
 
This works in the Trade Checker at ESPN:

Raef, Rudy, Outlaw, Sergio (or Bayless) for

Butler, Songalia, and Pecherov

The problem is that I don't see Washington trading some of their guys like Daniels or Stevenson away (and they make decent money) nor would they send a younger prospect like Young, Blatche (we wouldn't want him anyways...character), or McGee.


I don't know...maybe we give them Ike Diagu or something too. Anyways, Butler is an all-star caliber player right now and we'd need to trade something like this (at least) to get him.

I'd probably do it just for the issue of consolidating our roster. And Butler is a leading steal man in the league.
 
shamelessblazer said:
Raef/Bayless/Blake/Outlaw/Frye for Nash/Diaw

consolidation complete

Nash/Sergio
Roy/Fernandez
Webster/Batum
Aldridge/Frye
Oden/Pryzbilla
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I kind of like that. But where does Diaw play on your roster? He could play 3, 4 or 5 IMO. I like this a lot. But Nate would HAVE to let them run. I don't really want to give up Bayless. Maybe throw in pics instead?
 
chris_in_pdx said:
If you are correct, and I hope you aren't... that is the day my Blazer fan status will cease.
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Yeah right. All true Blazer fans hate Kobe. But if we got him and didn't have to give up Roy, Rudy, LMA or Oden... you would still be a fan. The only problem here is... I think we would absolutely have to get rid of Roy or Rudy to get him. And I do not want that to happen.
 
BalancedMan said:
This works in the Trade Checker at ESPN:

Raef, Rudy, Outlaw, Sergio (or Bayless) for

Butler, Songalia, and Pecherov

I'd probably do it just for the issue of consolidating our roster. And Butler is a leading steal man in the league.
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Are you serious? Throw Rudy in? I would rather not even make the deal. Caron only scores that much because he is on a crap team. He wont get numbers like that here.
 
There probably isn't a better year to have a player like Raef as a trade asset. With attendence down, and few teams actually making money, Raef's insurance paid contract probably looks delightful to a lot of owners.
 
alex42083 said:
I don't know about that... Butler doesn't have that kind of rep like if the Blazers were to bring in an Artest, or a Ruben-type player.
The O piled on the team back in the day because the team was losing, and it was losing with hooligans like Ruben and Bonzi.
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the O was piling on the Blazers on a daily basis when they were a perennially 50 game winner... seasons before the losing started.

STOMP
 
Did they happen to give any specifics as to what teams were calling about Raef? Was Washington one of them?
 
I think people misunderstood his Fez's post. He said teams are calling about Raefs contract. Then he mentioned Washington as a team HE thinks could be a good trading partner. This doesn't mean they called. I had mentioned this same deal a couple of weeks ago. Butler is a great fit and they have money tied up with Arenas (untradable because of injuries) and Jamison (big contract and older). Just not sure with the coaching change that Butler will be traded any time soon. If the deal like this happens it will be closer to the deadline. Hopefully Washington continues to struggle and Washington ownership decides they need to save some money.
 
Portland will let Raef come off the books and use the freed up money to get a moderately priced free agent and sign Roy, LA (maybe) and Oden to near max deals.
 
Fez said:
According to the guy on Courtside tonight.

My prediction, this years Pau Gasol is Caron Butler.

Raef+Outlaw+picks for Butler+Fillers anyone?

He may be nearly 10 years older than Oden, but by the time Butler slows down Batum will be primed and ready.

PG: Blake
SG: Roy
SF: Butler
PF: Aldridge
C: Oden

The Wizards are a mess right now. Even when Arenas comes back they don't have the roster to go far, IMO. They seem like great trading partner.
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Butler is an excellent player, there is no doubting that. And grabbing him with our spare parts would be a steal of a trade, there is no doubting that. If that deal is on the table you have to make it just on the value proposition alone. Can you say Double Whammy Flip Pritchslap?

HOWEVER (you knew that was coming), I have serious reservations about the compatibility of Roy and Rudy with Butler to assume it would be the best fit for a team. It might work really well. It might not. There is a lot of overlap there.

Since I don't think that Raef and Outlaw is anywhere near close enough to nabbing Butler, and that he would cost a LOT more to obtain, I would prefer to look at the idea of trading for players that are better complimentary fits with our existing roster, even if less talented overall, and that would be cheaper to obtain than an All-star like Butler.

In terms of team fit (and assuming that Portland is confident in the health of the players coming back), I think this lineup is better:

Hinrich
Roy
Gerald Wallace
Aldridge
Oden
6th man: Rudy
 
Personally, there aren't many 3's that I like better than Butler. Matter of fact, Lebron is the only one I can think of right now. I can't see Washington trading him though unless their owner is really pushing for lower salaries. He's not overpriced himself, and he's producing.

As for his past, I personally think it gives me even more respect for him. He overcame a difficult childhood and has since become practically a model citizen.
 
BatumKaboom said:
I kind of like that. But where does Diaw play on your roster? He could play 3, 4 or 5 IMO. I like this a lot. But Nate would HAVE to let them run. I don't really want to give up Bayless. Maybe throw in pics instead?
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umm, I accidently put Frye in there instead of Diaw, Diaw would back up 3 and 4 still getting 30 mpg. He is good in the transition but Diaw is also a great half-court player with extremely good passing skills for a bigger guy. Seeing Sergio/Rudy/Batum/Diaw/Pryzbilla in at the same time would be a thing of beauty. He's criticized for being underselfish and he has a big contract, but on Portland both would be fine (if we had Nash). The contract might get old his last two years but we've taken bad contracts before to get what we want (See Raef).

As far Nate letting them run, he's been pushing them to do so more lately, they just have no idea how to (other than Sergio, Rudy, Batum and Martell). He hasn't drilled them on lanes to run whatsoever, with Nash that'd have to be a focus, at least in part.

Here's a quote from Nate after our last game against the suns: "He is still orchestrating that offense, getting everyone involved and knowing the situations," Portland coach Nate McMillan said. "He is probably as good as I have seen as far as knowing were to go with the ball and what to do."

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2008/11/24/20081124spt-suns.html

lt sounds like he'd trust him.

I think this is truly a championship contendor this year, and a championship favorite next year.

Nash/Sergio/Koponen
Roy/Fernandez/(2nd rounder or vet)
Webster/Diaw/Batum
Aldridge/Diaw/(2nd rounder or vet)
Oden/Pryzbilla/Freeland

(imagine Nash on our team now with Aldridge out of his slump, Roy learning to get easy buckets backdoor, and Oden with a year of experience)
 
LittleAlex said:
Portland will let Raef come off the books and use the freed up money to get a moderately priced free agent and sign Roy, LA (maybe) and Oden to near max deals.
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LA's struggles this year (not that they'll continue all season) but learning to play with Greg and all, could be a blessing in disguise, at least as far as contracts go.
 
BatumKaboom said:
Are you serious? Throw Rudy in? I would rather not even make the deal. Caron only scores that much because he is on a crap team. He wont get numbers like that here.
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Rudy wouldn't be a throw in, he's part of the deal. Raef, TO and Rudy. Is that better for you (forget Sergio or Bayless). Looking at what the Warriors might like, that seems okay. You know they won't just give Caron away for Travis Outlaw and "filler". Caron is a mighty fine player in my not so humble opinion.

And he got last year's numbers on a team that had a BETTER record than us and went six games with Cleveland in the playoffs. He was the LEADER of that team.

So don't act like he isn't a VERY good player.
 
LAST YEAR:

BRANDON ROY: 38MIN/GAME, 45.4 FG%, 34 3PT%, 75.3 FT%, 4.7 RBS, 5.8 AST, 1.8 TO, 1.1 STL, 0.2 BLK, 19.1 PTS

CARON BUTLER: 40MIN/GAME, 46.6 FG%, 35.7 3PT%, 90.1 FT%, 6.7 RBS, 4.9 AST, 2.6 TO, 2.2 STL, 0.3 BLK, 20.3 PTS


Look at those numbers objectively. I'm not going to say Butler is better than Roy, because Roy is very clutch and is a great leader, but Butler has also hit a few game winners and his numbers are better in most categories.
 
BalancedMan said:
Rudy wouldn't be a throw in, he's part of the deal. Raef, TO and Rudy. Is that better for you (forget Sergio or Bayless). Looking at what the Warriors might like, that seems okay. You know they won't just give Caron away for Travis Outlaw and "filler". Caron is a mighty fine player in my not so humble opinion.

And he got last year's numbers on a team that had a BETTER record than us and went six games with Cleveland in the playoffs. He was the LEADER of that team.

So don't act like he isn't a VERY good player.
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Warriors?

I think he's a very good player, but I also think your proposal is a fleecing for them. Loads of capspace + 2 very nice young pieces is overboard for a guy with as many knee surgeries as he's had. If thats the deal I pass

STOMP
 
Any deal to get Butler would have to include Rudy and with all the recruiting we did to get him here, I just don't see us trading him halfway through his rookie season.
 
STOMP said:
Warriors?

I think he's a very good player, but I also think your proposal is a fleecing for them. Loads of capspace + 2 very nice young pieces is overboard for a guy with as many knee surgeries as he's had. If thats the deal I pass

STOMP
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Okay, I don't proofread my posts sometimes. Wizards. Better?


Also, has Butler had that many knee surgeries? Arenas has had several. Butler has been injured a few times but I didn't think any were particularly serious.
 
BalancedMan said:
Okay, I don't proofread my posts sometimes. Wizards. Better?
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it's fine, I knew what you meant... just a cheap laugh at your expense. Sorry
Also, has Butler had that many knee surgeries? Arenas has had several. Butler has been injured a few times but I didn't think any were particularly serious.
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if memory serves, dudes been scoped several times. I don't know anything serious here but if I were considering trading for him I'd want that checked out. At 28 with 3 years left on his deal he's probably a good risk to stay relatively healthy. He's pretty darned talented, but at just over 6'5 barefoot he's also a bit on the small side for a 3. I like him and think he'd be an upgrade at the SF for sure... he's not my favorite possibility there but I could be very pleased to add him at the right price. I'm just throwing out the positives and negatives I know about him out there.

STOMP
 
You know, the more I see Batum, the less I feel like we need to bring in small forward. He's been great!
 
Bump for "trade for a former all-star" gossip.
 
I think Wallace's name is gonna be tossed around almost every teams trade rumors until he's traded or the deadline passes...You have to think Raef is gonna get traded one way or another, he is a great asset for the 2010 FA class.
 
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