Marbury Moving to SG

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But yesterday, Marbury made it clear that he never thought he would be traded when the rumors emerged last month and that he was not worried now, either, with Brown aboard. Marbury suggested that people who bought into the trade talk just wanted to see him fail.</div>
New York Times

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stephon Marbury may not get a chance to defend his claim he's the best point guard in the NBA. Because he may end up at shooting guard... When trade rumors surfaced earlier this summer, rumors that were quickly squashed by team president Isiah Thomas, Marbury said he wasn't worried.</div>
New York Post

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stephon Marbury revealed yesterday that he is prepared to move to shooting guard under new coach Larry Brown, a switch that Marbury believes is a 'scary' proposition for the rest of the league... As for the rumors that the Knicks explored trading him, Marbury seemed to suggest that the media invented the rumors because 'when things get good they want me to leave now.</div>
New York Daily News

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks star revealed yesterday that Larry Brown wants him to shift to shooting guard, a transition Marbury accepts and even seems to relish... As for the possibility of getting traded, Marbury said he speaks to Thomas every day and dismissed the possibility entirely.</div>
Newark Star-Ledger

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stephon Marbury may go West for a sitdown with Larry Brown and Michael Jordan later this week. The Knicks' point guard might want to hit up Jordan for advice about playing shooting guard.</div>
Bergen Record

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Although it's true that Thomas has said he won't trade Marbury, if it came down to making a choice between Brown and Marbury, it's Marbury who would go. Right now, Marbury seems to be thrilled with Brown's hiring, and says he will do anything the coach asks of him.</div>
Newsday
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I heard about such a move so this doesn?t surprise me. I must say, I am a bit worried with Marbury being an undersized two guard. He?s already bad on point guards, but he?ll be even worse with the size mismatch. If Marbury can make him play defense, then I?ll love the move.

 

[Miami Flash City]

Ya as Mr.J stated the only problem with Marbury at SG is he'll be an undersized two guard, and also if Marbury moves to SG then i guess that means Knicks are most likely getting Snow.

 

[VinKanaddy]

Exactly as I speculated. With Marbury at the 2, you're going to need a real PG, and it would be ideal if you could get someone taller than 6'5" because then you can put the PG on the other team's SG and put Marbury to defend the point.

 

[Miami Flash City]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly as I speculated. With Marbury at the 2, you're going to need a real PG, and it would be ideal if you could get someone taller than 6'5"</div>

Marco Jaric fits that description what to yall think about gettting him?

 

[VinKanaddy]

Jaric isn't a true PG, he's more of a shooting guard turned into a combo guard. Jamal Crawford > Marco Jaric.

 

[MiamiBalla12]

He may have some trouble on defense against taller sg's but should do well on offense with his great scoring ability.

 

[Henacy]

Everybody is making a big deal of Marbury guarding the two, if you remember back just to last season Marbury often guarded the two spot defensively playing with Crawford. He guarded the opposing teams best offensive backcourt player(which for alot of teams scoring wise is the 2 spot) to hide Crawford's D. Iam not saying that he was good at it...but guarding the two will be nothing new for Marbury.

 

[bbwSwish]

This is exactly like the Orlando Magic situation. Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury are both shoot first point guards that are having to switch to the shooting guard positions. I found it very frustrating last year as an Orlando fan because many nights Francis would be going against guys 3 to 4 inches taller then him. I don't understand this change but I guess Larry Brown knows what he is doing. I'm guessing with this switch Nate Robinson will play a bigger role for the Knicks this season whether it is starting or coming off the bench for big minutes.

 

[VinKanaddy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It is no secret that Marbury likes to shoot. When he was asked yesterday about the intriguing possibility of moving from point guard to shooting guard, his eyes lit up. He even said that Brown once told him that if he coached him, he would play him at shooting guard.

"It's going to be kind of scary because now I can shoot whenever I want to shoot," Marbury said of the potential shift.</div>

New York Times

 

[Martin]

I thought he shot whenever he wanted last season.
I don't know what is it with Larry but he likes to move these kind of guys to SG.I doubt Marbury will do as good as Allen Iverson did but with Larry everything is possible.

 

[el_guasibiri]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">what do you guys think of Tyronn Lue?</div> He's a free agent and I like his strenght and hard working and I think he could be a great factor with the knicks if Brown move Marbury to the 2 and if Crawford does not work at the point.And I think he won't ask for big dollars.

 

[Mr. J]

Lue is alright. I wouldn't be particularly happy if we got him; he'll be an undersized point guard playing alongside Marbury. He's a good defender, though. He's one of those pesky guys, so that's not too bad. I would just want a guy like Larry Hughes who could play the point and can play good defense as well.

 

[Miami Flash City]

Another good sign with this is.. Brown wants Marbury at 2 and Marbury accepted that challenge, that shows Marbury is willing to do whatever Brown pleases, hopefully they click(I think they will)

 

[playmaker15]

Anyone who htinks Marbury will be able to guard guys like VC and Pierce needs to get their head checked.

 

[el_guasibiri]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">playmaker31
Anyone who htinks Marbury will be able to guard guys like VC and Pierce needs to get their head checked</div>

Marbury has the quickness and the thoughnes to penetrate to the basket and challenge them with no fear.And he will always have help in the game.So look for excitment in his game.

 

[playmaker15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting el_guasibiri:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury has the quickness and the thoughnes to penetrate to the basket and challenge them with no fear.And he will always have help in the game.So look for excitment in his game.</div>


no what I said, he won't be able to defend thenm because they are more athletic and he gives up a lot of size. Yes with Crawford and Q Rich with him he will always have help in the game.

 

[Mr. J]

^Vice-versa. Those guys will have trouble against Marbury because they aren't as quick as him and with his strength and ability to pentrate, he can draw a lot of fouls on them.

 

[B.e.]

Hm, seems like an old 76ers blue print. Move a shoot first PG to SG then try and acquire a hard-nosed defender who is unselfish and can distribute the ball (Eric Snow). Looks similar? Maybe the Knicks can have similar success those 76ers had with Larry Brown.

 

[playmaker15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">^Vice-versa. Those guys will have trouble against Marbury because they aren't as quick as him and with his strength and ability to pentrate, he can draw a lot of fouls on them.</div>

Guys like Vc and Pierce will most likely guard Q, and the teams PG will guard Marbury because of the quickness factor.

 

[el_guasibiri]

Now if we go after Eric Snow who do you think Cleveland will be interesting in getting for Snow We know that they sign Larry Hughes so probably Snow will be in the market.

 

[Beat]

Why would we want Eric Snow? He's not that good of a player anymore.

 

[MiamiBalla12]

Yeah his ankles haven't been the same since what Wade did to him.^^

 

[NJNetz]

My dad always said that he thinks Marbury would be better player as a SG because of his quickness and that he isnt a pure point guard anyway.

 

[Squishface]

He isn't a pure point guard and I think he'll score wonderfully as a 2. Sure, his defense is woefully inept no matter where you put him, but Larry Brown will improve that. I know LB is not a magic potion who makes bad defenders into good ones, but his system has cut down on defensive lapses in the backcourt everywhere he's gone, and I strongly doubt that will change now. He will probably acquire a big PG with a defensive game at some point, but look for Larry to lay a foundation this year anyway. He's not competing for a title, just like he didn't in his first year in Philly, but he'll be laying plenty of groundwork.

I would love to see Marbury excel in this role, and I really think he'll get the chance. It's really up to Larry how many touches he is to get, and how many points he will be allowed to score. If he tries to run the offense from the 2, this could get ugly, but if he accepts diminished touches and tries to score off set plays, as Larry will want him to, then he may score more than he ever has. If he can play off his team's offense, the way Rip did in Detroit, he would excel beyond our wildest dreams (nightmares), and finally be able to laugh a little at the end of the year, rather than fantasize about being the game's best point guard or most talented player.

LB is going to need more to work with down low, but he may or may not be able to adjust the bodies he has to make up for mistakes up top.

 

[giftedvisionz]

I don't think his scoring is going to be a problem with him moving to the off-guard. Size is an issue, but LB could make it work. The main concern is who we start at PG. I just don't want a shoot-first PG, but it seems like that's the road we're taking. I'm just scared knowing that most NCAA teams are going to rebound better than us.

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">He isn't a pure point guard and I think he'll score wonderfully as a 2. Sure, his defense is woefully inept no matter where you put him, but Larry Brown will improve that. I know LB is not a magic potion who makes bad defenders into good ones, but his system has cut down on defensive lapses in the backcourt everywhere he's gone, and I strongly doubt that will change now. He will probably acquire a big PG with a defensive game at some point, but look for Larry to lay a foundation this year anyway. He's not competing for a title, just like he didn't in his first year in Philly, but he'll be laying plenty of groundwork.

I would love to see Marbury excel in this role, and I really think he'll get the chance. It's really up to Larry how many touches he is to get, and how many points he will be allowed to score. If he tries to run the offense from the 2, this could get ugly, but if he accepts diminished touches and tries to score off set plays, as Larry will want him to, then he may score more than he ever has. If he can play off his team's offense, the way Rip did in Detroit, he would excel beyond our wildest dreams (nightmares), and finally be able to laugh a little at the end of the year, rather than fantasize about being the game's best point guard or most talented player.

LB is going to need more to work with down low, but he may or may not be able to adjust the bodies he has to make up for mistakes up top.</div>
Exactly. Dead-on. Larry is simply putting down his plans, getting ready to develop his team. And what you see first off when looking at the Knicks is a jam in the back-court. Marbury is a scorer, it's that simple. His passing is really not even PG-style, if you can understand what I mean. It's more like his passes are either lucky to the open man, or the play was just set up for him to pass. He really is much more of a 2G who has been trapped in the 1-position throughout his career, and now Larry is putting him where he belongs. I want to see Crawford at the 1, we saw a bit of him last year - it seems to make more sense. I look forward to watching Larry experiment, and I love his first change.

 

[Squishface]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly. Dead-on. Larry is simply putting down his plans, getting ready to develop his team. And what you see first off when looking at the Knicks is a jam in the back-court. Marbury is a scorer, it's that simple. His passing is really not even PG-style, if you can understand what I mean. It's more like his passes are either lucky to the open man, or the play was just set up for him to pass. He really is much more of a 2G who has been trapped in the 1-position throughout his career, and now Larry is putting him where he belongs. I want to see Crawford at the 1, we saw a bit of him last year - it seems to make more sense. I look forward to watching Larry experiment, and I love his first change.

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I would definitely like to see what Larry Brown gets out of Jamal Crawford. It's probably going to be some marked improvement. I know it sounds crazy, but he could make a tenacious defender out of this man. He has yet to play for a defensive-minded (READ: talented) coach, and I think LB will light a fire under him. Crawford at the 1 is a great idea in theory, it's up to Crawford to pull it off in practice. "We talkin' 'bout practice."

 

[Knicks Analyst]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ignignot:</div><div class="quote_post">I would definitely like to see what Larry Brown gets out of Jamal Crawford. It's probably going to be some marked improvement. I know it sounds crazy, but he could make a tenacious defender out of this man. He has yet to play for a defensive-minded (READ: talented) coach, and I think LB will light a fire under him. Crawford at the 1 is a great idea in theory, it's up to Crawford to pull it off in practice. "We talkin' 'bout practice."</div>
Bingo. Look what he did for Billups. I'll say that Billups was just about...awful defensively before Brown stepped in. Brown can get anyone to play defense. Does anyone really think that Billups will be as good under Flip as he was under Brown? No chance.
Brown can do whatever he wants with this team, I would never doubt him.
You're right, Iggy. It's all about practice.

 

[Mr. J]

Also, when you consider Brown saying: "If you don't play defense, you won't play", it will encourage everyone to play.

 

[og15]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Jaric isn't a true PG, he's more of a shooting guard turned into a combo guard. Jamal Crawford > Marco Jaric.</div>
Jaric is a combo guard, but he's one that can actually play PG. He's not a selfish player and is not looking to score, he's looking to set up his teammates, and pass the ball, so in that essence, you could say he is a true PG.

As a PG, Jaric > Jamal Crawford by a lot.

Wasn't Shape being hassled by someone before for saying Marbury should be moved to SG

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bingo. Look what he did for Billups. I'll say that Billups was just about...awful defensively before Brown stepped in. Brown can get anyone to play defense. Does anyone really think that Billups will be as good under Flip as he was under Brown? No chance.
Brown can do whatever he wants with this team, I would never doubt him.
You're right, Iggy. It's all about practice.</div>
Billups was never a bad defender, he was always average, and he's still average, but the help defenders in Detroit can make anyone a level better on defense than they were before. Billups went from average to good, Rip from below average to average, and Tayshaun from good to very good.