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Let's also not forget Deron had a lot more minutes than Marcus to catch on to the game and lead a team from day one and got valuable experience Marcus unfortunately wont get because he plays limited minutes behind J Kidd. Minutes on the floor dont just help statwise they also help you to learn and mentally grasp other aspects of the game. Once a player has time to work through mistakes and see things on the floor for big minutes per night their game can improve drastically, Marcus will just need more time because he doesnt have the opportunity to get those big minutes here. It'll take time but he'll be alright.
 
the difference between marcus and the other young pgs being mentioned is that marcus is a backup. he is not the main focus of the franchise right now. yes we know he is important, but right now we have Kidd at the point. marcus will only get a few minutes to make an impact on a team and one or two mistakes looks bigger than one or two mistakes deron or paul does because he isnt playing 40mins a game. marcus has a small windown to play great while he is in the game. when marcus becomes a fulltime starter then we will know really how good he can become and if he can lead a team to the playoffs and do some damage in the playoffs, but right now im thankful to still be watching kidd run my team. marcus' time will come. i just hope he doesnt pound the ball as much as he did last year. bring it up and get the ball moving.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xcalibur`)</div><div class='quotemain'>the difference between marcus and the other young pgs being mentioned is that marcus is a backup. he is not the main focus of the franchise right now. yes we know he is important, but right now we have Kidd at the point. marcus will only get a few minutes to make an impact on a team and one or two mistakes looks bigger than one or two mistakes deron or paul does because he isnt playing 40mins a game. marcus has a small windown to play great while he is in the game. when marcus becomes a fulltime starter then we will know really how good he can become and if he can lead a team to the playoffs and do some damage in the playoffs, but right now im thankful to still be watching kidd run my team. marcus' time will come. i just hope he doesnt pound the ball as much as he did last year. bring it up and get the ball moving.</div></p>

Yeah, I hope so too. Hopefully he can run the offense more smoothly this year. He only has to do it for like 10-15 minutes a game as opposed to starting pgs who do it for 30-40 minutes a game</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

but the bottom line is that over the first four months of his rookie season, they were comparable.</p>

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They were statistically comparable. If you watched them both play, there is no comparison </p>

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From the objective to the subjective. How often did you watch Deron play during the first four months of his rookie year? Can you separate the last two months of Marcus' season from the first four in your mind?</p>

The largest black mark on Marcus' record during those months is the turnovers--the same number as Deron, in roughly 500 fewer minutes. He also had significantly fewer steals. However, Marcus also committed less than half the personal fouls that Deron did.</p></div>

No it is going from on paper to scouting. This is yet another in a long line of on paper comparisons that break down when one uses their eyes. </p>

Torrents are beautiful, although illegal, things that allow the people that are willing to take the time to download them to analyze players. Deron was one of my favorite players from that draft and I did download a majority of his games. The attempts to compare Marcus to Deron pre-2006 draft were just silly and the comparison is now ridiculous.</p>

Marcus problems on the court as a rookie were far more than just his turnovers.</p>

Having hope for Marcus is one thing, but the comparisons to Deron are wonderful unitentional comedy
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Dave D said it takes more than one year for rookie point gaurds to truly develop, and most of that development is mentally. </p>

So to give up on Marcus Williams now would be ridicliously dumb.</p>

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Define giving up on Marcus.</p>

Yes, he needs time to develop and the Nets can give him that. I just see no reason to go into the season with him as the #2 PG again.</p>

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Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.
 
And on the other hand, I think Marcus is more good-looking than Deron.</p>

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Sorry, it's just a personal opinion.</p>

And I hate the Tatoo on Deron's arm. It's disturbing.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J.S)</div><div class='quotemain'>Which player has better passing?</div>

They are pretty much evenly matched in passing. They both have great court vision and can find an open teammate, but Marcus was a bit too careless throughout the season, always looking for the homerun pass. I assume that this mentality will be go away in his second year, since last year he was trying too hard to prove others wrong. </p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J.S)</div><div class='quotemain'>Which player has better passing?</div>

They are pretty much evenly matched in passing. They both have great court vision and can find an open teammate, but Marcus was a bit too careless throughout the season, always looking for the homerun pass. I assume that this mentality will be go away in his second year, since last year he was trying too hard to prove others wrong. </p>

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Agreed. Some of the passes he attempted left you scratching your head.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.</div>

Why not Marcus Williams?</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.</div>

Why not Marcus Williams?</p>

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Even if he pans out, he'll still be an offense-only type of player.</p>

And he's never going to be a leader.</p>

He'll be a coach killer. Too good to get rid of, but he's never giving you what you really need.</p>

And thats IF he pans out, which is clearly not a given. It's not even a probability at this point. </p>

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Never going to be a leader? Thats a bit of a rash statement considering he's only played one year on a team behind Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, et al.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>Never going to be a leader? Thats a bit of a rash statement considering he's only played one year on a team behind Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, et al.</div></p>

Remember when he was drafted, he said something along the lines of "I'm going to keep Boone focused, because sometimes he (Boone) has a tendancy to not perform to his fullest capabilities." That at least showed he's capabale of a little leadership, in a way.</p>

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he and Boone are great on the court together. can't wait to see how they improved this season.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.</div>

Why not Marcus Williams?</p>

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Even if he pans out, he'll still be an offense-only type of player.</p>

And he's never going to be a leader.</p>

He'll be a coach killer. Too good to get rid of, but he's never giving you what you really need.</p>

And thats IF he pans out, which is clearly not a given. It's not even a probability at this point. </p>

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Do you even remember what you were like as a 20-year-old?</p>

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I don't
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Legacy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.</div>

Why not Marcus Williams?</p>

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Even if he pans out, he'll still be an offense-only type of player.</p>

And he's never going to be a leader.</p>

He'll be a coach killer. Too good to get rid of, but he's never giving you what you really need.</p>

And thats IF he pans out, which is clearly not a given. It's not even a probability at this point. </p>

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He could improve on defense. This year he slimmed down, what makes you think he won't work as hard in the next few years to improve his D espically under the great defense of JKidd? Like some others here posted, look at those examples of how he was a leader so far. How would he be a coach killer?</p>

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I like Kidd's comments about Marcus, I think he's the most important guy to consider in reguards to Marcus' gifts as a young pg.  With Kidd as a role model, and a coach who preaches defense in Frank, I give fair odds that Marcus will "grow up" to be a solid pg, and a good sportsman.  <DIV>But to those who'd question his leadership  (and even moreso measuring up to Kidd) , I do think that he has passion, drive and confidence.  </DIV><DIV>He at least has the raw materials that need to be sculped out in order to be a leader in the mold of Jason Kidd. </DIV><DIV>Having a good summer work ethic is another good sign.</DIV>
 
[quote name='Dumpy'][quote name='ghoti'][quote name='Legacy'][quote name='ghoti']Based on what I've seen so far, I'd trade him and develop someone else.[/QUOTE]

Why not Marcus Williams?</p>

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Even if he pans out, he'll still be an offense-only type of player.</p>

And he's never going to be a leader.</p>

He'll be a coach killer. Too good to get rid of, but he's never giving you what you really need.</p>

And thats IF he pans out, which is clearly not a given. It's not even a probability at this point. </p>

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Do you even remember what you were like as a 20-year-old?</p>

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Well, that's taken into account.</p>

Even if I envision the best case scenario years into the future, I don't think he will be the kind of PG who leads winning teams.</p>

There's no way to know if I'm right or not. I'm simply saying that if it were my decision to make, I would go in a different direction.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Well, that's taken into account.</p>

Even if I envision the best case scenario years into the future, I don't think he will be the kind of PG who leads winning teams. </p>

There's no way to know if I'm right or not. I'm simply saying that if it were my decision to make, I would go in a different direction. </p>

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oh, you mean the same Marcus Williams who led UConn to a 30-4 record in his last year there? </p>

(1 of those losses was to Syracuse, tho ) </p>
 
I don't like the arbitrary opinions here, we can not judge any players by the sentence that we want to type in the internet.</p>

Especially we can notdecide the career success or failure to a young player.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I don't like the arbitrary opinions here, we can not judge any players by the sentence that we want to type in the internet.</p>

Especially we can not decide the career success or failure to a young player.</p>

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Why not?</p>

I don't see how any opinions expressed by a bunch of fans on an internet message board could be anything but arbitrary.</p>

You will be much happier when you realize these are discussions between people with different perspectives, and they are supposed to be fun.</p>

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Why was Marcus Williams taken 305th in the S2 GM Draft?</p>

Check out the list of PG taken before him.</p>

Note the amount of Nets fans participating in this draft that watched him extensively last season. </p>

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I can accpet the opinion from people, but it's different in Taiwan, we don't like to make the arbitrary opinions on the Bulletin Boards,</p>

for example, if somebody says Jason Kidd is a loser, Kobe is not a leader, or Steve Nash is not going to shine next season,</p>

the guy would be bashed right away, if you say, Jason Kidd couldn't shoot well, but he improves, orKobe is a great scorer, the things that could be acceped by the public, then it's the good opinions, just like, we can not say Greg Oden won't win a title, Kevin Durant is not a player to win, those are arbitrary opinions and it always causes the battles on the internet board.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I can accpet the opinion from people, but it's different in Taiwan, we don't like to make the arbitrary opinions on the Bulletin Boards,</p>

for example, if somebody says Jason Kidd is a loser, Kobe is not a leader, or Steve Nash is not going to shine next season,</p>

the guy would be bashed right away, if you say, Jason Kidd couldn't shoot well, but he improves, or Kobe is a great scorer, the things that could be acceped by the public, then it's the good opinions, just like, we can not say Greg Oden won't win a title, Kevin Durant is not a player to win, those are arbitrary opinions and it always cause the battles on the internet board.</p>

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So opinions are fine as long as they are positive, regardless of whether that's really what you think?</p>

How about just posting your honest opinion? I'd rather read that.</p>

Just because Marcus Williams stunk it up last year and played horribly, then got frustrated, sulked and blamed others for his failures, it doesn't mean I don't want him to improve.</p>

If he morphs into a completely different guy, I'll be thrilled and I'll the first one on here saying how wrong I was about him.</p>

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I predict Marcus will have a huge season and will be one of the major reasons that the Nets win 50+ games this year. I strenuously disagree with the naysayers and the typically hyperbolic cpawfan. The kid sees the court as well as anyone playing the game today (Kidd included) and is as good as Stockton or anyone else I've ever seen at passing off the dribble, one-handed, all in one motion. And he can throw any kind of pass that way: bounce, chest, lob, you name it. He has a deft handle and a wonderful change-of-pace control of the ball that will always keep defenders guessing. And, although very streaky, he already shows a great jumper with range.</p>

Defense is a problem, and perhaps he will never be a good individual defender, although it's too early to say even that. I think he will be adequate. For matchups that give him fits, that's what team defense is for. It certainly won't be any worse than the Nets having to play 4 on 5 offensively every minute Collins is on the floor. </p>

He's in a much different position than a Chris Paul or Deron Williams, who know they're getting the minutes (even under Sloan) no matter what. They know they can play through mistakes. Marcus, both because of the nature of his coach, the age of his teammates, and the guy he's playing behind, does not have that psychological luxury. That's a HUGE difference in terms of what it can do to or for your confidence. </p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Why was Marcus Williams taken 305th in the S2 GM Draft?</p>

Check out the list of PG taken before him.</p>

Note the amount of Nets fans participating in this draft that watched him extensively last season. </p>

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It's because there are no established criteria for building a team in the GM draft. It seems like most people want the best team for this COMING year, measured by cumulative stats. Why draft a guy higher who is unlikely to play more than 12 minutes a game? Heck, he's unlikely to play more than 12 minutes a gmae NEXT year, also. </p>

Anyway, my feeling is that every NBA player has talent and skills. What differentiates them from each other is their work ethic and their drive to continually improve and get stronger once they are in the league. That all comes from within. There are a lot of very talented players that didn't have the inner fortitude to succeed. There are a lot of players with lesser talent that DO have the inner fortitude to succeed, and have had long, productive careers as a result. No one can say where Marcus will fall on that spectrum. It's all up to him. He certainly has the talent and skills to succeed, but the rest is just dependent on his work ethic and ability to focus on and eliminate his weaknesses.</p>
 
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