Martel back for the playoffs???? He says so

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I'd love to have him back. If he is back for the playoffs, I hope he is back a few games before the playoffs to shake off some of the rust.

Gramps...
 
Well Martell says he will be back in April which means he should be back prior to the playoffs. I can not see the Blazers putting him on their playoff roster without seeing him play in games prior. It would just ruin the team chemistry and flow and give us no chance. He would need to be part of a rotation and you have to have that set up prior to playoffs.

On a side note, I think the Blazers handled Martell's 2nd injury much better then the 1st one. No time table was placed on a return, we were told he was done for the year (meanwhile Martell was busting his but to get back this year behind the scenes). Now we are all ecstatic at seeing what Martell might potentially be able to contribute this season when we all thought it was a lost one for him. I just wish the Blazers would've taken the same approach with Odens injury and not put so much pressure on him by making his injury sound less then what it was.
 
Blazer4life said:
Well Martell says he will be back in April which means he should be back prior to the playoffs. I can not see the Blazers putting him on their playoff roster without seeing him play in games prior. It would just ruin the team chemistry and flow and give us no chance. He would need to be part of a rotation and you have to have that set up prior to playoffs.
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I agree.
 
Definitely a second unit. They will have to practice plays between when the regular season ends and the playoffs start. He'll have about a week to prepare?
 
I think it would be more of a timing thing than a chemistry thing. It's not like Martell has not played with this crew before. The biggest challenges IMO would be getting him into basketball shape, and getting him back to the speed of the game. Hell, Martell is a "vet" on this team.
 
hasoos said:
I think it would be more of a timing thing than a chemistry thing. It's not like Martell has not played with this crew before. The biggest challenges IMO would be getting him into basketball shape, and getting him back to the speed of the game. Hell, Martell is a "vet" on this team.
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Well, to be fair Martell has not played with Rudy (minus 1 preseason game) Bayless, and Oden before so chemistry I think does play a big part in this and considering we are in agreement that Webster will come off the bench for the remainder of the year when he returns I think they need some game action together to work out the kinks.
 
Blazer4life said:
Well, to be fair Martell has not played with Rudy (minus 1 preseason game) Bayless, and Oden before so chemistry I think does play a big part in this and considering we are in agreement that Webster will come off the bench for the remainder of the year when he returns I think they need some game action together to work out the kinks.
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Yes, but at the same time, he has more experience than all 3 of the players you just mentioned, combined.
 
I don't see Martell coming back @ end of the season and actually being that effective. Look how long Webster has been out, his timing will be off, he won't be in shape, and he will have rust....and you want him to play in playoffs with a few games under his belt? I wouldn't mess with the rotation this late in the season, and who's minutes will he dip into?
 
J_Ray said:
I don't see Martell coming back @ end of the season and actually being that effective. Look how long Webster has been out, his timing will be off, he won't be in shape, and he will have rust....and you want him to play in playoffs with a few games under his belt? I wouldn't mess with the rotation this late in the season, and who's minutes will he dip into?
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Who's minutes?

Depends on who we are playing and it depends on when in April he comes back. I agree he will be rusty, but we need the depth. If you consider Travis a PF, we really only have Batum at SF. And we were not sure he is all that healthy. We will need him. Its going to be real physical out there and bodies can drop quickly. As we have seen. Better safe than sorry. An extra shooter never hurts.
 
J_Ray said:
I don't see Martell coming back @ end of the season and actually being that effective. Look how long Webster has been out, his timing will be off, he won't be in shape, and he will have rust....and you want him to play in playoffs with a few games under his belt? I wouldn't mess with the rotation this late in the season, and who's minutes will he dip into?
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Frye's.

How can that be bad?
 
Meh... IDK if he would really get any time, tbh.

I think our rotation will be down to 8 MAYBE 9 with our backup PG playing 5-10mpg max, but I don't see it 9-10. Also, I think he needs to have at least a couple games (preferably around 5) and a good amount of practice time with the team to not only get in shape and get in the groove a bit, but to make sure our chemistry is right with him (as a backup SF). The thing that helps him is that he is a SF, and we DO have an opening at backup SF, but I like using Trav as the backup SF and backup PF so we can get our rotation down to 8-9.

Either way, I don't see how this isn't good news. lol.
 
LittleAlex said:
Frye's.

How can that be bad?
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Jackpot. With Oden and Martell coming back, the loser is Frye. Don't get me wrong, I think Channing Frye is a good guy, but he really has turned into a pretty bad player.
 
Martel has a long road to recovery even when his foot is healthy enough to play on. He's not in game shape & he's not really that familiar with half of our rotation. It would be great to have him as depth for those "just in case" scenarios, but to have him part of the 8-9 man rotation doesn't seem likely.

The one positive thing is the first round takes a couple weeks to finish if it goes 7 games so Martel would get plenty of practice time if he is ready.
 
If Martell can find a way to play in the final 5-6 games, I'd put him on the playoff roster. He'd be more use than either Shavlik or Ruffin anyway. There's no big men like Shaq in the past where it was imperative to hold roster spots for big guys to use up fouls.
Leave Raef, Shavlik and Ruffin on the injured list, and make Martell active if he can show he can play.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Who's minutes?

Depends on who we are playing and it depends on when in April he comes back. I agree he will be rusty, but we need the depth. If you consider Travis a PF, we really only have Batum at SF. And we were not sure he is all that healthy. We will need him. Its going to be real physical out there and bodies can drop quickly. As we have seen. Better safe than sorry. An extra shooter never hurts.
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No doubt... especially when said shooter is 6'7"-6'8" and built like a brick shit-house! :cheers:
 
Webster and Frye are the same player, with two differences: Frye is taller and Webster can make his outside shots more consistently. Frye's size does him no good on the perimeter, though.

Thus, Frye losing his minutes to Webster is perfectly acceptable. I'd be happy with this playoff rotation:

PG: Blake / Bayless / Rodriguez
SG: Roy / Fernandez
SF: Batum / Webster
PF: Aldridge / Outlaw
C: Oden / Przybilla

I realize that McMillan is likely to switch Rodriguez and Bayless, but that's the alignment I'd prefer.
 
I hope he can play, but he should not be reinserted as the starter. Too disruptive of chemistry, so I see Martell as more offensive help off of the bench this spring. Next fall, let him and Batum fight it out in camp over who starts, or package Martell this summer if a better SF option is available.
 
Minstrel said:
Webster and Frye are the same player, with two differences: Frye is taller and Webster can make his outside shots more consistently. Frye's size does him no good on the perimeter, though.

Thus, Frye losing his minutes to Webster is perfectly acceptable. I'd be happy with this playoff rotation:

PG: Blake / Bayless / Rodriguez
SG: Roy / Fernandez
SF: Batum / Webster
PF: Aldridge / Outlaw
C: Oden / Przybilla

I realize that McMillan is likely to switch Rodriguez and Bayless, but that's the alignment I'd prefer.
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I don't know how it is now, but before the injury, Martell had displayed that he had added to his game with a bit more of a handle and attacking the rim. A lot of folks seem to forget that Martell has been the fastest guy on the Blazers the last several years, and team speed improvement almost always helps.
 
hasoos said:
I don't know how it is now, but before the injury, Martell had displayed that he had added to his game with a bit more of a handle and attacking the rim.
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I'll believe it when I see it on a consistent basis. Pre-season is always a cheerful time of "So-and-so has vastly improved his game and is bound to have a break-out season!" I'd be the happiest person in the world to see Webster take a big jump forward in his development and become a really good starter. So far, though, he hasn't improved a lot in his career, so I'm in a wait-and-see mode. For now, I'm evaluating based on his last meaningful NBA action (not counting his abortive return from injury).
 
Webster played one pre-season game against what turned out to be the worst team in the NBA. Martell will be a positive addition, but I don't see how using a glorified scrimmage as a barometer for any player's improvement is accurate.
 
martell would be good for a spark off the bench if the blazers really had no one else stepping up. If Batum and Outlaw are brickin' it up, it'd be good to put him out there as some competent relief.
 
IDK about "integration time"...webs played most of his minutes the last 2 years with Blake, Roy, LMA and Przy. who, amazingly enough righ now, are our other starters. I think "integration time" isn't as high as most think it might be, especially since I don't see a ton of difference in Nate's offensive sets over the last 3 years.
 
Minstrel said:
Webster and Frye are the same player, with two differences: Frye is taller and Webster can make his outside shots more consistently. Frye's size does him no good on the perimeter, though.
i don't know if i've ever disagreed with you more. websters offensive game is much more diverse than fryes and he actually can guard the perimeter. just last season nate was talking about how he saw webster turning into a bowen type defender.

that said, i agree he could really screw up the chemistry and he isn't likely to be in game shape by the playoffs. he should be on the roster but he'd have to show he's ready to make the rotation.
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bigbailes said:
i don't know if i've ever disagreed with you more. websters offensive game is much more diverse than fryes and he actually can guard the perimeter. just last season nate was talking about how he saw webster turning into a bowen type defender.
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A Bowen-type of defender? Only if he means Ryan Bowen.

As for a "diverse offensive game," he's never shown a consistent ability to create offense for himself. Once in a while, he puts it on the floor and creates space to shoot, but the vast majority of the time, he's a spot-up shooter. Frye is also able to put the ball on the floor and be aggressive, he's just not capable of doing it consistently.
 
Minstrel said:
A Bowen-type of defender? Only if he means Ryan Bowen.

As for a "diverse offensive game," he's never shown a consistent ability to create offense for himself. Once in a while, he puts it on the floor and creates space to shoot, but the vast majority of the time, he's a spot-up shooter. Frye is also able to put the ball on the floor and be aggressive, he's just not capable of doing it consistently.
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hey, nate said it not me, but to compare him to frye i still think is laughable. frye is a human black hole.
 
bigbailes said:
hey, nate said it not me
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I know. I've never heard him make that comparison and, if he did (without qualifying it in any way), I disagree with it.

but to compare him to frye i still think is laughable. frye is a human black hole.
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Both are predominantly outside shooters who can't create offense for themselves or others on a consistent basis, both are nothing special as rebounders or on defense. To me, the similarities out-number the differences.

Their career PERs suggest that if the comparison is unfair, it's unfair to Frye.

Frye: 13.6
Webster: 11.2

Of course, Frye's career PER is skewed a bit by his fine rookie season which he's never come close to replicating. Over the past three seasons, their PERs would be very close.
 
PapaG said:
I hope he can play, but he should not be reinserted as the starter. Too disruptive of chemistry, so I see Martell as more offensive help off of the bench this spring. Next fall, let him and Batum fight it out in camp over who starts, or package Martell this summer if a better SF option is available.
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No way he starts. He has been out far too long.
 
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