OT Mass shooting at video game tournament in Jacksonville leaves multiple dead

[CupWizier]

More than that in Chicago in 2 weekends.

Mass shootings are the rarest form of death in America.

Wasn't Trump going to clean up Chicago and fix the water problem in Flint, Michigan? Instead he rips kids from parents arms and send their parents home without their kids and now have over 500 children that are basically orphans. I don't think he has hardly even mentioned Chicago since his phony campaign promises but as we know, he's a serial liar.

 

[Hoopguru]

Wasn't Trump going to clean up Chicago and fix the water problem in Flint, Michigan? Instead he rips kids from parents arms and send their parents home without their kids and now have over 500 children that are basically orphans. I don't think he has hardly even mentioned Chicago since his phony campaign promises but as we know, he's a serial liar.

Politicians mostly think of themselves first.
What did BO or his side kick do to help their own City? To me thats sad as well!
Im not a respecter of party or ideas, to not do anything in your home town is not too impressive or productive. I don't care if its Trump, Clintons, Kennedy's or Obama's.
Obama has done squat to help in that war zone.

 

[CupWizier]

Politicians mostly think of themselves first.
What did BO or his side kick do to help their own City? To me thats sad as well!
Im not a respecter of party or ideas, to not do anything in your home town is not too impressive or productive. I don't care if its Trump, Clintons, Kennedy's or Obama's.
Obama has done squat to help in that war zone.

well, Obama is no longer in office, Trump is and all Trump did was blame all the other presidents and yet has done nothing about Chicago or Flint and there is no excuse for not getting Flint under control. He'd rather spend billions on military, parades and give huge tax breaks to the rich and large corporations while looking to take social security, food stamps for the needy and other programs that are a very very small part of the budget away from the rest of us.

 

[yankeesince59]

Wasn't Trump going to clean up Chicago and fix the water problem in Flint, Michigan? Instead he rips kids from parents arms and send their parents home without their kids and now have over 500 children that are basically orphans. I don't think he has hardly even mentioned Chicago since his phony campaign promises but as we know, he's a serial liar.

...don't forget about Puerto Rico.

 

[Hoopguru]

well, Obama is no longer in office, Trump is and all Trump did was blame all the other presidents and yet has done nothing about Chicago or Flint and there is no excuse for not getting Flint under control. He'd rather spend billions on military, parades and give huge tax breaks to the rich and large corporations while looking to take social security, food stamps for the needy and other programs that are a very very small part of the budget away from the rest of us.

i agree regarding trump, but Obama had a chance and never did a thing for that City.

 

[Hoopguru]

I had a cousin that was in Clackamas Mall when the shooter turned it into a hell hole. She was able to text that she was safe, but that was a little too close to home.

My sister was working at Macy in cosmetics and saw the guy in a mask walk right past her.

 

[riverman]

This comment is not what we need.

This poor boy and his family IN NO WAY wanted him to be born this way. It's hell on both parents, siblings and him. My son. Who is 15 suffers from extreme anger. Has absolutely zero ability to let stuff go and is really impulsive.

He is on these same types of meds, and it sucks. He cries after an outburst because he doesn't want to be this way. My son is not a nutjob, and my wife and I have been happily married for 28 years. He sees a therapist weekly, and it's still a massive struggle. These kids.....and adults need help, not criticism for something they can't control

I think that your post has a lot of merit...and I have empathy for your son and those suffering from similar mental issues...my problem in this shooting is this kid legally purchased weapons in Baltimore and ammunition...I think that someone with a history of mental illness should not be able to do that...ever...

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think that your post has a lot of merit...and I have empathy for your son and those suffering from similar mental issues...my problem in this shooting is this kid legally purchased weapons in Baltimore and ammunition...I think that someone with a history of mental illness should not be able to do that...ever...

Most rational people, including myself, would agree.

HOWEVER, I suffer from depression, meds and everything, and I own firearms. Never once even thought about using it in an illegal way.

So where's the line?

 

[riverman]

Most rational people, including myself, would agree.

HOWEVER, I suffer from depression, meds and everything, and I own firearms. Never once even thought about using it in an illegal way.

So where's the line?

I think it's because you must control or manage your condition...as opposed to your son or the shooter from Baltimore from what I've read...do you allow your son access to guns and ammo given his condition?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think that your post has a lot of merit...and I have empathy for your son and those suffering from similar mental issues...my problem in this shooting is this kid legally purchased weapons in Baltimore and ammunition...I think that someone with a history of mental illness should not be able to do that...ever...

I agree in general, but always struggle with where that line should be, and who should draw it? What qualifies as "a history of mental illness"? Suicide attempts? Anger management issues? Depression? Alcoholism? Bigotry?

 

[riverman]

I agree in general, but always struggle with where that line should be, and who should draw it? What qualifies as "a history of mental illness"? Suicide attempts? Anger management issues? Depression? Alcoholism? Bigotry?

I would say a history of not managing mental illness in a responsible manner...I sure don't have the answers but there should be a very high bar for obtaining weapons and ammo not only for citizens with mental issues but also policeman or soldiers, etc...it's obvious it needs to be addressed and it's obvious all serial killers pretty much have some form of mental illness. In my view it's just too easy to obtain guns...and handguns are not for hunting...they are for close range shooting...I'd make it very hard to obtain a handgun license and license to carry one ….shotguns and manually chambered rifles are a different demographic in my view.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think it's because you must control or manage your condition...as opposed to your son or the shooter from Baltimore from what I've read...do you allow your son access to guns and ammo given his condition?

No. EXTREME safety measures. Just saying I have a history of "mental illness". Should I not have been allowed to purchase a gun? Where is the line?

 

[MARIS61]

Wasn't Trump going to clean up Chicago and fix the water problem in Flint, Michigan? Instead he rips kids from parents arms and send their parents home without their kids and now have over 500 children that are basically orphans. I don't think he has hardly even mentioned Chicago since his phony campaign promises but as we know, he's a serial liar.

Pretty sure you're confusing our current President with Obama.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree in general, but always struggle with where that line should be, and who should draw it? What qualifies as "a history of mental illness"? Suicide attempts? Anger management issues? Depression? Alcoholism? Bigotry?

And what is mental illness.

Some people think you'd have to have a mental illness to look at someone and want to kill them because they are a different color, or where blue or red.

 

[riverman]

No. EXTREME safety measures. Just saying I have a history of "mental illness". Should I not have been allowed to purchase a gun? Where is the line?

I think the line has yet to be understood since there just hasn't been one...I could say that at 14 years of age I had to go through a very difficult 2 week school to get a farm equipment license to drive harvesters and combines on public roads....but it was restricted to rural areas...A 14 year old kid still could not drive a combine downtown on main street....for public safety reasons...my logic says there should be a school with a very strict guideline for obtaining a weapon that is not designed for rural use aka a shotgun or manually chambered rifle...maybe also have tracking devices on weapons that are obtained with rules that they cannot be used in public urban situation ever...only in rural sporting or designated hunting areas...so few handguns protect anybody but so many kill people in cities and I include automatic weapons in this category.

 

[riverman]

And what is mental illness.

Some people think you'd have to have a mental illness to look at someone and want to kill them because they are a different color, or where blue or red.

It's a very complicated definition...there should however be testing and background parameters that include education and evaluation before weapons can be legally purchased...just my view..it concerns me...I grew up hunting but would never be allowed to carry a weapon to town or a public place...it was unthought of where I grew up. Just make it a thorough vetting process.

 

[MARIS61]

I would say a history of not managing mental illness in a responsible manner...I sure don't have the answers but there should be a very high bar for obtaining weapons and ammo not only for citizens with mental issues but also policeman or soldiers, etc...it's obvious it needs to be addressed and it's obvious all serial killers pretty much have some form of mental illness. In my view it's just too easy to obtain guns...and handguns are not for hunting...they are for close range shooting...I'd make it very hard to obtain a handgun license and license to carry one ….shotguns and manually chambered rifles are a different demographic in my view.

So much dis-information.

Handguns are definitely used for hunting, not that hunting has anything to do with The Second Amendment. You must be thinking of Britain or some other enslaved society.

"Managing mental illness in a responsible manner" is just an ignorant and insulting attack on those less fortunate than you.

Drawing distinctions between guns with different designs (noticeably giving your personal weapon of choice a pass) is a coward's diversion used only to deprive the masses of protection against enslavement. Again, it does not apply to The Second Amendment.

BTW, when you talk about banning handguns, what you really mean is disarm the minority masses, because that is the only weapon owned by the bulk of American minorities.

 

[yankeesince59]

..."hand guns are definitely used for hunting"...hunting for what, other humans?

...I've been an avid hunter for years and I've never used a hand gun...nor have I ever heard of anyone using a hand gun to hunt with.

 

[CupWizier]

Pretty sure you're confusing our current President with Obama.

actually I am not.

https://www.reuters.com/politics/article/us-usa-trump-chicago-idUSKBN15907T

 

[MARIS61]

I think the line has yet to be understood since there just hasn't been one...I could say that at 14 years of age I had to go through a very difficult 2 week school to get a farm equipment license to drive harvesters and combines on public roads....but it was restricted to rural areas...A 14 year old kid still could not drive a combine downtown on main street....for public safety reasons...my logic says there should be a school with a very strict guideline for obtaining a weapon that is not designed for rural use aka a shotgun or manually chambered rifle...maybe also have tracking devices on weapons that are obtained with rules that they cannot be used in public urban situation ever...only in rural sporting or designated hunting areas...so few handguns protect anybody but so many kill people in cities and I include automatic weapons in this category.

Some would say this rambling, nearly incoherent plan to spy on all Americans while leaving them completely defenseless is the concoction of a madman.

One look at some of your threatening posts against the President would be all the Leos need to arrest you for observation.

Better turn in your guns.

 

[CupWizier]

So much dis-information.

Handguns are definitely used for hunting, not that hunting has anything to do with The Second Amendment. You must be thinking of Britain or some other enslaved society.

"Managing mental illness in a responsible manner" is just an ignorant and insulting attack on those less fortunate than you.

Drawing distinctions between guns with different designs (noticeably giving your personal weapon of choice a pass) is a coward's diversion used only to deprive the masses of protection against enslavement. Again, it does not apply to The Second Amendment.

BTW, when you talk about banning handguns, what you really mean is disarm the minority masses, because that is the only weapon owned by the bulk of American minorities.

Please pay attention or don't respond as first you misclaimed what I meant in my post and this is what riverman said about handguns

.I'd make it very hard to obtain a handgun license and license to carry one

You are in the group that prefers to dodge and deflect and would rather maintain the status quo rather than look at ways of improving life because you feel threatened in your town of what 1500 people?

 

[CupWizier]

Some would say this rambling, nearly incoherent plan to spy on all Americans while leaving them completely defenseless is the concoction of a madman.

One look at some of your threatening posts against the President would be all the Leos need to arrest you for observation.

Better turn in your guns.

Rambling incoherent seems to be your MO.

 

[riverman]

One look at some of your threatening posts against the President would be all the Leos need to arrest you for observation.

I have never threatened the president..I will criticize him though

 

[CupWizier]

I have never threatened the president..I will criticize him though

I did a google search and found no threats by you to the president.

 

[MARIS61]

..."hand guns are definitely used for hunting"...hunting for what, other humans?

...I've been an avid hunter for years and I've never used a hand gun...nor have I ever heard of anyone using a hand gun to hunt with.

I call BS.

No legal hunter in America has never heard of anyone using a handgun to hunt with.

https://screenshots.firefox.com/zeAV9dAIUCOhkvjQ/www.dfw.state.or.us

 

[MarAzul]

my logic says

Misstatement river. There is no logic at all in this rant. It is your feeling. If you were to use logic, you would understand the 2nd amendment speaks for most of us. Your feelings are simply a minority opinion but in no way is it logical or persuasive.

 

[riverman]

Misstatement river. The is no logic at all in this rant. It is your feeling. If you were to use logic, you would understand the 2nd amendment speaks for most of us. Your feelings are simply a minority opinion but in no way is it logical or persuasive.

I beg to differ....and my posts weren't rants..mediocre man and I were discussing the issues of mass shootings and mental health in a very logical fashion..it's fine for you to disagree but I didn't claim to have the answer to this problem..I just voiced possibilities and opinions..whether in the minority or not, they are my opinions ...not rants..learn the difference and we'll have the conversations Marz….I have solid views about mental health and gun control but never claimed to have the answers...rather I pose the questions I deem relevant...best to talk about the subject than about me Marz...that's the logical path. We don't have to agree to have these conversations but we should have these conversations. Differences of opinion don't need to make people adversaries...also a more logical approach to discourse...

 

[MarAzul]

I have driven my combined, repaired my combined, worked my combined where needed. Never did anything with a combined in town. No need nor is there a 2nd amendment or the equivalent covering my use of combined. I still an not likely to drive one downtown. Might pack some protection though, when I feel the need.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I have removed posts by both sides of this discussion referring to the other side as a coward (along other things).

Please keep it civil.

 

[Lanny]

How can it be a huge issue when there isn't any here?

barfo

My sister was working at Macy in cosmetics and saw the guy in a mask walk right past her.

I used to love the Cosmetics department. There's a lot of sweet smelling, good looking women there. Took great discipline to control my wondering eye whenever I went in that department with my wife. TREMENDOUS DISCIPLINE.