OT Mass shooting in Thousand Oaks, CA

[Mediocre Man]

I wonder what the animals did back before we invented guns to keep them safe.

barfo

They were killed with spears and arrows.

 

[Lanny]

Very tragic! Prayers are with all those who died and friends and loved ones.
Lord have Mercy on us!

It's time for more than thoughts and prayers. It's time for action.
Watch this father's torturous cry about the loss of his son in the recent shooting.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...coffman-as-victim-in-calif-shooting/23584062/
I'm not saying that some sort of gun control would have helped here, I am saying that some sort of gun control would help some other family someplace else not have to go through this.

 

[Lanny]

I'm personally against any kind of gun control, but I sure as hell want it for the rest of you.

I want guns for my zombie next door neighbors. They're oh so clever, acting just like normal people.

 

[Lanny]

Its the autistics and mental illness.

Need to do something about that.

How about wife beaters and others involved in violent crimes and those guilty of animal cruelty? Should they be allowed to own guns? Should they be allowed to buy guns at gun shows or without a background check?

 

[Hoopguru]

It's time for more than thoughts and prayers. It's time for action.
Watch this father's torturous cry about the loss of his son in the recent shooting.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...coffman-as-victim-in-calif-shooting/23584062/
I'm not saying that some sort of gun control would have helped here, I am saying that some sort of gun control would help some other family someplace else not have to go through this.

Im not opposed to gun control that address's mentally ill, automatic weapons and extended clips. I favor gun registration.
Im also for more people owning and training for gun use, within the law. My daughters just finished their fire arm classes/training, and are getting concealed carry permits.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How about wife beaters and others involved in violent crimes and those guilty of animal cruelty? Should they be allowed to own guns? Should they be allowed to buy guns at gun shows or without a background check?

Nope.

Gun ownership should be restricted 90%. Only the select few should own a gun.

Up the penalties for crimes if people want to be safe. People who use illegal guns and someone dies should be given an automatic death penalty.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Mass shooters should be executed publically by firing squad, mental illness or not.

 

[barfo]

Mass shooters should be executed publically by firing squad, mental illness or not.

That would probably increase the number of mass shootings.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Nope.

Gun ownership should be restricted 90%. Only the select few should own a gun.

Up the penalties for crimes if people want to be safe. People who use illegal guns and someone dies should be given an automatic death penalty.

Studies have shown that the death penalty has no effect on dissuading people from killing with firearms. There are precious few firearm murderers who expect to be caught. Then there's the moral issue of putting someone to death whom you have safely separated from society where they could harm someone else. I'm against killing just for the sake of killing as some sort of retroactive punishment that does no good and costs more than keeping the perp behind bars for life.

 

[Lanny]

Mass shooters should be executed publically by firing squad, mental illness or not.

Hitler approved the murder of the mentally ill. I'm against that.
How about the death penalty for a kid 14 years old who murders another kid with a firearm?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Hitler approved the murder of the mentally ill. I'm against that.
How about the death penalty for a kid 14 years old who murders another kid with a firearm?

Yes

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Studies have shown that the death penalty has no effect on dissuading people from killing with firearms. There are precious few firearm murderers who expect to be caught. Then there's the moral issue of putting someone to death whom you have safely separated from society where they could harm someone else. I'm against killing just for the sake of killing as some sort of retroactive punishment that does no good and costs more than keeping the perp behind bars for life.

No appeals. Quick execution. Bullets are cheap.

 

[Lanny]

No appeals. Quick execution. Bullets are cheap.

Well, I certainly know where you stand.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Well, I certainly know where you stand.

Punish mass shooters quickly and with malice. If they die, reveal their health records for the greater good.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Punish mass shooters quickly and with malice. If they die, reveal their health records for the greater good.

What do you think the health records will show?

 

[barfo]

What do you think the health records will show?

The terrible effects of fluoridated drinking water. And vaccinations.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What do you think the health records will show?

Patterns of mental health issues. I have postulated many of these shooters have autism in some form. Need to study it further to prevent in the future.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Patterns of mental health issues. I have postulated many of these shooters have autism in some form. Need to study it further to prevent in the future.

If they have a provable mental illness then they shouldn't have been executed.

You keep saying we need more mental health care but then you want to kill them.

You can't have it both ways.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If they have a provable mental illness then they shouldn't have been executed.

You keep saying we need more mental health care but then you want to kill them.

You can't have it both ways.

Sure we can.

Why cant we execute mentally challenged persons if they kill people? It should not be a defense.

 

[Cippy91]

Sure we can.

Why cant we execute mentally challenged persons if they kill people? It should not be a defense.

This is probably the most ridiculous and most insensitive shit I have ever seen. So the whole exception is if the mentally ill don’t kill people, then they can live, however if they do that then hey just kill them too. Look, I think it’s a very very terrible act, but there is a reason a lot of these people kill themselves after they kill others. They are fucked. Look at this guy. His roommate said some shit along the lines of him not being surprised if he could end up a shooter. The signs were there. Unfortunately we don’t teach how to read them in America. Mental illness is still very much something a lot of people are ashamed of having in this country. It’s not accepted. Instead it’s dealt with by saying oh yeah that person is crazy and that’s it. Shits so dismissive.

 

[Cippy91]

I know it’s hard for people not to politicize everything these days and just say hey ban guns or whatever the illogical people want. I’m all for stricter background checks but once again I think people are pointing out the wrong thing when this shit happens. The focus should absolutely be on mental health. You can’t avoid it forever. We live in a society that is just creating more and more mental health issues. I think the more common these shootings are, it’s a direct link to society today. It’s fucking insane out there. People hate each other for dumb shit. People try so hard to be liked and social media is a motherfucker. Add war and whatever else on top of it, rough childhoods, etc. people come out fucked up. Not to mention genetics and shit like that. The signs are there, maybe if people didn’t only give a fuck about themselves in this day and age, we could recognize the signs and get people help. Because guess what? Banning guns or whatever strict laws you put on guns isn’t gonna stop anybody from hurting people. You could get a truck right now and decide to run over a bunch of people on the street. Pick your poison. We saw what happened in France with that terrorist attack or knife attacks in Asia. If people want to hurt a mass amount of others, they will find a way besides guns. The issue comes from within the mind.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is probably the most ridiculous and most insensitive shit I have ever seen. So the whole exception is if the mentally ill don’t kill people, then they can live, however if they do that then hey just kill them too. Look, I think it’s a very very terrible act, but there is a reason a lot of these people kill themselves after they kill others. They are fucked. Look at this guy. His roommate said some shit along the lines of him not being surprised if he could end up a shooter. The signs were there. Unfortunately we don’t teach how to read them in America. Mental illness is still very much something a lot of people are ashamed of having in this country. It’s not accepted. Instead it’s dealt with by saying oh yeah that person is crazy and that’s it. Shits so dismissive.

To not hold someone fully accountable because they are crazy is what's rediculous. If you do the crime, you do the time. Period.

 

[Cippy91]

To not hold someone fully accountable because they are crazy is what's rediculous. If you do the crime, you do the time. Period.

I’m not saying don’t hold them accountable. Yes do the time. That’s fine. Treatment is still necessary just as it is if somebody was going to rehab for a physical injury. America needs to understand mental illness more as opposed to this narccistic atitude I see towards any mentally ill person. This whole “they aren’t like me, they are crazy” attitude.

 

[Lanny]

What do you think the health records will show?

It will show that they died of blunt force trauma.

 

[Lanny]

The terrible effects of fluoridated drinking water. And vaccinations.

barfo

Don't forget the terrible effects of parents who don't physically punish their children. There's nothing like a good beating to prevent a child from growing up violent.