Matching salaries

[wizenheimer]

Yes realistically he won't get a max, but he and his agent will try for one. Someone will offer him more than that 30m/year and the weather may be nicer so that means we'd have to offer him 35...lol

which team will offer Grant 30M? A team would have to be around 100M in guaranteed payroll to do that



that's the list of teams that will even be close. I think it's safe to toss Detroit off that list. OKC will probably have a lottery pick so they won't have 30M in cap-space and they are much more inclined to use their space, and picks, in unbalanced trades

maybe Indiana but they will be pushing that 30M in space with their high lottery pick and they also have 2 late 1st round picks. They also have Nwora and Jelen Smith at PF, and Mathurin and Nesmith at SF

Utah? Grant seems the opposite of an Ainge move and not only do they have their own pick, they have Minny's pick and Philly's pick. That would leave them less than 30M in space and the question is why would they pay Grant 30M/year to be Markannen's backup

Charlotte won't have 30M in space after accounting for their high lottery pick, Denver's pick, and the cap-hold of PJ Washington

San Antonio? spending 30M/year on a player like Grant doesn't seem to fit their stage of a rebuild and doesn't seem like a Popovich move

Houston? why would they lock up 30M/year for a player like Grant when thay already have Jabari Smith, Kenyon Martin, and Tari Eason at forward locked up on rookie scale deals?

I just don't see any 30M/year Grant market. Of course, I am convinced there was no 25M/year market for Ant last summer or an 18M/year market for Nurk and that didn't stop Cronin

 

[blazerkor]

which team will offer Grant 30M? A team would have to be around 100M in guaranteed payroll to do that

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that's the list of teams that will even be close. I think it's safe to toss Detroit off that list. OKC will probably have a lottery pick so they won't have 30M in cap-space and they are much more inclined to use their space, and picks, in unbalanced trades

maybe Indiana but they will be pushing that 30M in space with their high lottery pick and they also have 2 late 1st round picks. They also have Nwora and Jelen Smith at PF, and Mathurin and Nesmith at SF

Utah? Grant seems the opposite of an Ainge move and not only do they have their own pick, they have Minny's pick and Philly's pick. That would leave them less than 30M in space and the question is why would they pay Grant 30M/year to be Markannen's backup

Charlotte won't have 30M in space after accounting for their high lottery pick, Denver's pick, and the cap-hold of PJ Washington

San Antonio? spending 30M/year on a player like Grant doesn't seem to fit their stage of a rebuild and doesn't seem like a Popovich move

Houston? why would they lock up 30M/year for a player like Grant when thay already have Jabari Smith, Kenyon Martin, and Tari Eason at forward locked up on rookie scale deals?

I just don't see any 30M/year Grant market. Of course, I am convinced there was no 25M/year market for Ant last summer or an 18M/year market for Nurk and that didn't stop Cronin

Right, so you think we'll give Jerami a deal that is 5 years and starts at 30M right? I think so too. I think it should start around 25 or even less but that doesn't matter... Joe is going to do Cronin things.

 

[wizenheimer]

Right, so you think we'll give Jerami a deal that is 5 years and starts at 30M right? I think so too. I think it should start around 25 or even less but that doesn't matter... Joe is going to do Cronin things.

I've been thinking 5-year/150M and I've been thinking that's a significant overpay. But Cronin would look like a clown if he lets Grant escape, just like Olshey would have looked like an idiot if he let Powell escape

the way he overpaid the market for Ant and Nurk doesn't indicate he'll leverage the market for Grant

if the Blazers end up with two 3rd-option guys Grant/Simons signed for 55-60M/year combined they are mildly fucked

 

[blazerkor]

I've been thinking 5-year/150M and I've been thinking that's a significant overpay. But Cronin would look like a clown if he lets Grant escape, just like Olshey would have looked like an idiot if he let Powell escape

the way he overpaid the market for Ant and Nurk doesn't indicate he'll leverage the market for Grant

if the Blazers end up with two 3rd-option guys Grant/Simons signed for 55-60M/year combined they are mildly fucked

I don't think Ant and Grant will both be on this roster by the time Grant's deal is or is not announced. I think the only way Dame stays is if an all star is added to the roster, Ant's salary will be needed to match the salary of any all star. If Dame wants out then Grant won't be retained but Ant will. Those are just my thoughts.

 

[Hoopguru]

I've been thinking 5-year/150M and I've been thinking that's a significant overpay. But Cronin would look like a clown if he lets Grant escape, just like Olshey would have looked like an idiot if he let Powell escape

the way he overpaid the market for Ant and Nurk doesn't indicate he'll leverage the market for Grant

if the Blazers end up with two 3rd-option guys Grant/Simons signed for 55-60M/year combined they are mildly fucked

He currently near 21m with guys like J Collins, Randel & Green up to 25M.
No way he gets 30 million imo, maybe 25-27 at the most? At 30 you are in Tatum's territory.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I've been thinking 5-year/150M and I've been thinking that's a significant overpay. But Cronin would look like a clown if he lets Grant escape, just like Olshey would have looked like an idiot if he let Powell escape

the way he overpaid the market for Ant and Nurk doesn't indicate he'll leverage the market for Grant

if the Blazers end up with two 3rd-option guys Grant/Simons signed for 55-60M/year combined they are mildly fucked

Were they over payed? Neither of their contracts seem ridiculous

 

[blazerkor]

He currently near 21m with guys like J Collins, Randel & Green up to 25M.
No way he gets 30 million imo, maybe 25-27 at the most? At 30 you are in Tatum's territory.

I think you're going to be very angry with what is announced the moment it can be which will let all of us know that we bid against ourselves.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think Ant and Grant will both be on this roster by the time Grant's deal is or is not announced. I think the only way Dame stays is if an all star is added to the roster, Ant's salary will be needed to match the salary of any all star. If Dame wants out then Grant won't be retained but Ant will. Those are just my thoughts.

Then let him

 

[Graduate32]

I don't think Ant and Grant will both be on this roster by the time Grant's deal is or is not announced. I think the only way Dame stays is if an all star is added to the roster, Ant's salary will be needed to match the salary of any all star. If Dame wants out then Grant won't be retained but Ant will. Those are just my thoughts.

This is certainly a reasonable take. However, in the scenario that Dame requests out (for whatever reason), I still hope we re-sign (if sign-and-trade isn't possible) Grant to maintain the asset. Even overpaid, he will be tradeable for positive assets. For example, would Dallas trade Bertans, salary flotsam, and a decent pick(s) for Jerami Grant? I think they probably would. You'd have to be ready to eat some return dead salary in a trade, but you'll be able to acquire some good assets as well. Given that we aren't paying the bill, I think we need to root for Grant to be re-signed regardless of Dame's plans this summer assuming a sign-and-trade doesn't materialize.

 

[blazerkor]

Then let him

When presenting two scenarios, "Then let him" isn't a response I understand.

 

[wizenheimer]

Were they over payed? Neither of their contracts seem ridiculous

sorry, I wasn't clear. I have always applied the gauge of that off-season's market to free agent signings. I took a pretty detailed look at the very few teams with cap-space last summer and none of them, IMO, were going to even offer RFA Simons 20M/year let alone 25M. Same gauge for Nurkic.

yeah, you can argue, at least with Ant (not so much with Nurk) he's paid relatively close to his perimeter peers. But he's also got some major flaws to his game as well. For example, would you rather Portland was paying Ant 25M/year or Marcus Smart 18M/year? or Malcolm Brogdon 22.5M/year? or Mikal Bridges 22M/year? or OG Anunoby 18.5M/year? or Dejounte Murray 17M/year? or Lauri Markkanen 17M/year? Or Kevin Huerter 16M/year? or KCP 15M/year?

I think my point is that every once in a while when Portland signs a free agent, or re-signs their own free agent, I'd like to immediately look at the contract and say, "hey, that's a nice deal" instead of "WTF"?

 

[Mediocre Man]

When presenting two scenarios, "Then let him" isn't a response I understand.

Dame requests out. I love Dame but I’m fucking tired of the “you better or else” bullshit. Let the GM, GM. If you don’t like it then leave because Grant, CJ, Nurk, Chauncey and all the other “Dame guys” have not been good for us advancing

 

[wizenheimer]

Dame requests out. I love Dame but I’m fucking tired of the “you better or else” bullshit. Let the GM, GM. If you don’t like it then leave because Grant, CJ, Nurk, Chauncey and all the other “Dame guys” have not been good for us advancing

can you show me when Dame has ever said "you better or else"?

I think the only thing I've seen him actually say was that the team needed new direction from the front office and that was when Olshey was in charge

 

[Mediocre Man]

can you show me when Dame has ever said "you better or else"?

I think the only thing I've seen him actually say was that the team needed new direction from the front office and that was when Olshey was in charge

He never has. I’m talking about it as a whole

 

[wizenheimer]

He never has. I’m talking about it as a whole

I get it....I mean Portland is not in a great situation. I'm convinced they are in a much better situation now than they were 14 months ago, but it will take time,
smart management, and willing ownership to change the trajectory. Obviously they have the time...smart management? hard to say. Willing ownership? sure doesn't look like it

I just happen to think too many people are blaming Dame, erroneously, for the situation Portland is in

 

[MickZagger]

I get it....I mean Portland is not in a great situation. I'm convinced they are in a much better situation now than they were 14 months ago, but it will take time,
smart management, and willing ownership to change the trajectory. Obviously they have the time...smart management? hard to say. Willing ownership? sure doesn't look like it

I just happen to think too many people are blaming Dame, erroneously, for the situation Portland is in

I feel like they’re mainly in a better position by landing a top 5 pick in this draft. So, by sucking ass again.

 

[wizenheimer]

I feel like they’re mainly in a better position by landing a top 5 pick in this draft. So, by sucking ass again.

that's how the NBA works. How it has always worked, especially for small market teams

 

[B-Roy]

Who is on 2 year deals?