Notice Math is Racist!

[MarAzul]

"The Seattle Public Schools Ethnic Studies Advisory Committee (ESAC) has determined that math is subjective and racist.

In a draft for its Math Ethnic Studies framework, the ESAC writes that Western mathematics is “used to disenfranchise people and communities of color.”

Is this another example of the world progressing in the eyes of the Progressives?

https://www.worldtribune.com/math-is-racist-according-to-seattle-public-schools/

As a person who's basis in contribution has been as a Mathematician/Logician it seems as complete heresy!
What is happening here???

 

[MarAzul]

uh!
This is awful!

Seattle Public Schools Will Start Teaching That Math Is Oppressive
https://reason.com/2019/10/22/seattle-math-oppressive-cultural-woke/

I would call this lack of thinking as talking out your arse!

Taking some observation to the wrong conclusion is classic human error, known as talking out your arse.

Better to leave conclusion under Incompleteness than promote the harmful as truth.

 

[Hobbesarable]

"The Seattle Public Schools Ethnic Studies Advisory Committee (ESAC) has determined that math is subjective and racist.

In a draft for its Math Ethnic Studies framework, the ESAC writes that Western mathematics is “used to disenfranchise people and communities of color.”

Is this another example of the world progressing in the eyes of the Progressives?

https://www.worldtribune.com/math-is-racist-according-to-seattle-public-schools/
As a person who's basis in contribution has been as a Mathematician/Logician it seems as complete heresy!
What is happening here???

Many of the public schools in the Portland Metro Area changed their programs from the traditional methods to what they called "Connected Mathematics." They started it back in the early 2000s and they thought they were cutting edge. They decided students should learn mathematical concepts in their own way without a foundation of any kind. It was a colossal failure for students when it happened during the NCLB Act years.

As a result of the failure many parents removed their children from the public schools and placed them into private schools if they could afford to do so. The remaining parents transferred their children to charter schools.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Its interesting... I’ll have to read those again and think about it...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Anything has to be better than the pale white guy who has been teaching them math.

 

[MarAzul]

"In a U.S. history class, for example, histories of oppression, institutionalized racism, community organizing and resistance can be worked into the lesson plan, said Wayne Au, a professor at the University of Washington, Bothell, who has helped lead Seattle’s ethnic-studies initiative.

In math, lessons are more theoretical. Seattle’s recently released proposal includes questions like, “Where does Power and Oppression show up in our math experiences?” and “How is math manipulated to allow inequality and oppression to persist?”

These sorts of pollution of the public schools should be put to and end, before it means the end of having a population educated sufficiently to support a republic. But if not, then public school should only be the last resort for the education for most of our citizens.

https://www.seattletimes.com/educat...tity-race-in-seattle-classrooms-even-in-math/

 

[MarAzul]

Anything has to be better than the pale white guy who has been teaching them math.

I hate it, but I now expect it from you Sly.
Tommy Prothro asked me, Were you really a Valedictorian? Then he followed quickly, I never had one of those before!

I always love the role of chief nerd. I have one grandson on the path. He is getting a grant from U of O today I believe, a new Apple computer and and some sort of mission to teach computers to kids. He is 12 years old. Just passed me in height.
I am guessing he will be 250# 6'5 when he starts South Eugene High School next year. Seems to me to have exactly the right temperament for Offensive tackle.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

This stuff makes me miss dviss... Its so easy for a white man (me) to look at this and think something, but it would be much more valuable to know what a Black man thinks.

 

[MarAzul]

This stuff makes me miss dviss... Its so easy for a white man (me) to look at this and think something, but it would be much more valuable to know what a Black man thinks.

I thought of dviss when I heard/read this. But I simply cannot make Mathematics a racial issue!

I think it is a basic flaw in the public school system failing to understand and expect people have different aptitudes. Not race! Although a variant there maybe true too. Appropriation of mathematics mechanics contributed by various societies is simply a read herring.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I thought of dviss when I heard/read this. But I simply cannot make Mathematics a racial issue!

I think it is a basic flaw in the public school system failing to understand and expect people have different aptitudes. Not races although a variant there maybe true too. Appropriation of mathematics mechanics contributed by various societies is simply a read herring.

Mathematics itself, is just humans trying to put value to what they see, feel, hear, smell, etc. The subject is not racist... The way its taught, the school systems around it, Im not so sure.

 

[MarAzul]

Im not so sure.

Well then, let's hear it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Well then, lets hear it.

Theres not much to hear from me... Im just saying Im not sure, Id be interested to hear someone elses perspective on it though.

 

[MarAzul]

Theres not much to hear from me... Im just saying Im not sure, Id be interested to hear someone elses perspective on it though.

It seems to me, that the crickets we hear, are a clue to how this sort nonsense gets a grip, takes root. Pretty soon you will hear praises from some, for those that recognize the obvious racism.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Tyrone knocked up 4 girls in the gang. There are 20 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Tyrone knocked up?

Pedro got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 of his hit money per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?

Dwayne pimps 3 ho's. If the price is $85 per trick, how many tricks per day must each ho turn to support Dwayne's $800 per day crack habit?

 

[MarAzul]

Tyrone knocked up 4 girls in the gang. There are 20 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Tyrone knocked up?

Pedro got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 of his hit money per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?

Dwayne pimps 3 ho's. If the price is $85 per trick, how many tricks per day must each ho turn to support Dwayne's $800 per day crack habit?

And this has to do with Euclid as Gay does to mood? Or did we just slip another gog on the way to where?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It seems to me, that the crickets we hear, are a clue to how this sort nonsense gets a grip, takes root. Pretty soon you will hear praises from some, for those that recognize the obvious racism.

No, it's opening night of the 50th season of the Blazers. And this is the Blazers' forum. I'm at the game, where are you?

 

[MarAzul]

240 mile away. No radio, Kex doesn't carry the game. No TV for the game. I even have Hulu working on MarAzul via the RV park.
Can you imagine a Maga hat at Blazer game?
I think you answered that last week.

 

[MarAzul]

No, it's opening night of the 50th season of the Blazers

Ha! now that you point that out. How friggin strange the world as become. I was at the very first practice, preseason game, and league game.
Now I don't think I should be there.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can you imagine a Maga hat at Blazer game?
I think you answered that last week.

No, I didn't answer any such thing.

You want to go to a Blazer game wearing a MAGA hat I don't really give two shits.

 

[MarAzul]

You want to go to a Blazer game wearing a MAGA hat I don't really give two shits.

I'll be darn!
Antifa!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'll be darn!
Antifa!

Sure, wear an Antifa hat.

 

[MarAzul]

Back on track!
Math is Racist!

The progressive agenda!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Tyrone knocked up 4 girls in the gang. There are 20 girls in his gang. What is the exact percentage of girls Tyrone knocked up?

Pedro got 6 years for murder. He also got $10,000 for the hit. If his common-law wife spends $100 of his hit money per month, how much money will be left when he gets out?

Dwayne pimps 3 ho's. If the price is $85 per trick, how many tricks per day must each ho turn to support Dwayne's $800 per day crack habit?

These, by the way, are actual questions off of a math test a few years ago.

 

[MarAzul]

These, by the way, are actual questions off of a math test a few years ago.

Might be best to drop the class then.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When I was a freshman in high school I placed past algebra and into geometry. Looking back at it I now realize that my teacher sucked. Great at teaching computer programming but for some reason not good at teaching geometry. Anyway, freshmen were all required to take a shop class. I took woodworking. Really enjoyed it but I quickly and easily finished the required box and hand mirror that we were required to make. We were all supposed to design our own project to build which for most was just a bigger and nicer version of the box we had previously built. I needed a new electric bass so that's what I decided to build. The teacher pretty much shit all over that idea saying it was too hard and he would fail me if I didn't complete it. Long story short is I made that electric bass and it turned out great! But what I didn't realize that I ended up learning more about geometry building that bass than I did in actual geometry class. That needs to be the focus of teaching math, finding real-world ways to teach and use math. When possible and applicable those real-world lessons should be tailored to fit the communities that the kids live in.

 

[riverman]

Math needs to be taught in context for many young people to grasp the puzzles....I worked with math challenged kids in public schools and if you get away from X Y Z formulas and teach it in terms of Nike Air Jordan tennis shoes with a 20% discount...kids grasp it. We also have a new crop of students that have new challenges that were not really addressed in my father's generation....OCD, dyslexia....some say we have had a severe increase in dyslexic youth since the soda pop craze of the 60s....heavy sugar intake during pregnancy...the Big Gulp drinks...my wife studies this stuff a lot and is a health nut....the other point I wanted to make is the metric system.....we are so far behind by not adapting the metric system and applying it to our math programs. I paid a tutor to teach my son abacus and learning abacus put him at the top of his math class....he was way ahead of the local kids who didn't know what an abacus was. My father was a math genius and could do complicated math in his head without paper or calculator....he had an 8th grade education in the depression and signed up for the Army Air Corp as soon as he could. He had a library card and read extensively...self taught.. We also should be buying our kids educational toys instead of toy guns..or Barbie dolls....my 2 cents

 

[barfo]

When I was a freshman in high school I placed past algebra and into geometry. Looking back at it I now realize that my teacher sucked. Great at teaching computer programming but for some reason not good at teaching geometry. Anyway, freshmen were all required to take a shop class. I took woodworking. Really enjoyed it but I quickly and easily finished the required box and hand mirror that we were required to make. We were all supposed to design our own project to build which for most was just a bigger and nicer version of the box we had previously built. I needed a new electric bass so that's what I decided to build. The teacher pretty much shit all over that idea saying it was too hard and he would fail me if I didn't complete it. Long story short is I made that electric bass and it turned out great! But what I didn't realize that I ended up learning more about geometry building that bass than I did in actual geometry class. That needs to be the focus of teaching math, finding real-world ways to teach and use math. When possible and applicable those real-world lessons should be tailored to fit the communities that the kids live in.

I had a similar experience except it was Jr. High and I made a letter holder that was three pieces of wood glued together and it sucked and I hated it and I never took another shop class again.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Math needs to be taught in context for many young people to grasp the puzzles....I worked with math challenged kids in public schools and if you get away from X Y Z formlas and teach it in terms of Nike Air Jordan tennis shoes with a 20% discount...kids grasp it. We also have a new crop of students that have new challenges that were not really addressed in my father's generation....OCD, dyslexia....some say we have had a severe increase in dyslexic youth since the soda pop craze of the 60s....heavy sugar intake during pregnancy...the Big Gulp drinks...my wife studies this stuff a lot and is a health nut....the other point I wanted to make is the metric system.....we are so far behind by not adapting the metric system and applying it to our math programs. I paid a tutor to teach my son abacus and learning abacus put him at the top of his math class....he was way ahead of the local kids who didn't know what an abacus was. My father was a math genius and could do complicated math in his head without paper or calculator....he had an 8th grade education in the depression and signed up for the Army Air Corp as soon as he could. He had a library card and read extensively...self taught.. We also should be buying our kid's educational toys instead of toy guns..or Barbie dolls....my 2 cents

Most kids these days use Metric and Standard AFAIK, we have talked about it multiple times in our engineering meetings (because we want to use unit of measures that make sense to people) and all of the people with kids in public schools have said their kids are being taught both. My oldest is doing homeschool (she's only 5), but her math has included mostly both as well, and it's not really that confusing either.

When we're with other kids I've never seen a family have exclusively "educational toys" or "fun toys", it's usually a mix.

I tend to think to learn anything, whether it's music, programming, science, the stars, math, it's not so much about the how or the what it's about understanding the individual kid, what piques their interests how do you keep the interest piqued. So kind of what you're saying to some extent teach them things that are in context for what they're interested in. Trig and Linear Algebra were fine for me like I understood the concepts but I didn't really care until I started working in 3d space for a living and found many of my interests required a good knowledge of them. One of the best mathematicians I know learned math because of his love for music and he applies math and musical principles together to do really interesting things.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I had a similar experience except it was Jr. High and I made a letter holder that was three pieces of wood glued together and it sucked and I hated it and I never took another shop class again.

barfo

I took one shop class realized I am really freaking awful at this and went back into my computer science classes... heh. Still though I feel like I'm so bad at working on anything like, anything wrong happens in the house and I'm just like, hey there are people we can pay to fix that...

 

[MarAzul]

I ended up learning more about geometry building that bass than I did in actual geometry class

Bingo!
And the sad thing is many schools do not have shop classes anymore.