Matisse Thybulle Signs Full-MLE Offer with Mavericks / Blazers match

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Natebishop3 said:
And that's why he needs to go.
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Sure, they should trade him eventually, IF Scoot and Shaedon are as good as we think they are.

But there's no reason they need to do it out. And if he comes out next season averaging 27 ppg I'm sure we'll get better offers than we are getting now.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We could go big. Not saying we will be good, but we can go big by moving Grant to SF and starting Sharpe at SG.
Maybe Ben Simmons at forward? or Maybe Jovic. Again not ideal but quite possible.

Jovic to me is no worse a defender than say Michael Porter Jr, and is a better passer.
I bet his floor is a healthy Gallanari.
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Calling the floor for someone drafted 27th, a healthy Gallo (20PPG on 60% TS) is quite a stretch.
 
B-Roy said:
Calling the floor for someone drafted 27th, a healthy Gallo (20PPG on 60% TS) is quite a stretch.
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After watching him a bit, he seems like a good three point shooter, and he's a smart player, but he seems like a real tweener.
 
B-Roy said:
Calling the floor for someone drafted 27th, a healthy Gallo (20PPG on 60% TS) is quite a stretch.
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Someone drafted 27th? Why is that a factor? Euros often slip in the draft. Some thought he would go late lottery.
 
THE HCP said:
I think I'd rather play with a small ball lineup.
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I have not seen them enough to comment, but I suspect that if they are converted into a real contract it means the team believes they can contribute more.
 
Chris Haynes reporting that Matisse Thybulle wanted to be a Maverick and he was hoping the Blazers wouldn’t match.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Chris Haynes reporting that Matisse Thybulle wanted to be a Maverick and he was hoping the Blazers wouldn’t match.
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well, Chris, if he wouldn't have signed the offer sheet the Blazers could've worked out a trade. But since it seems that his agent (checking notes) is a Goodwin, whose agency is probably too busy calling other teams warning them off of Dame to do critical thinking about their other clients' need, didn't make that an option, he signed his ability to move to DAL away for at least a year.
 
Free market says Daryl Morey blew it in Matisse Thybulle trade

by Stuart London23 hours ago
When Matisse Thybulle and the player he was traded away for, Jalen McDaniels, hit the open market, there is no doubt who was more prized in free agency. Philadelphia 76ers general manager Daryl Morey got an egg on his face for this move from the rest of the NBA.

When Matisse Thybulle was traded at the deadline in a three-way deal in which the Sixers received Jalen McDaniels from the Charlotte Hornets, it was expected that general manager Daryl Morey was looking for an upgrade in the wing position, to help get ready for the big playoff run.

After all, the 6-foot-5 Thybulle was barely playing for the Sixers at the time. Despite being a two-time second-team All-NBA defensive player (which as a sub is almost unheard of), coach Doc Rivers had him on the bench due to his lack of offensive ability.

The 6’10” McDaniels was advertised as a good defensive player who could also put the ball in the basket.

How did that work out? Badly at the time, and even worse now.


Thybulle ended up a full-time starter for the Trail Blazers, averaging 7.4 points a game and shooting 38.8% on three-pointers, 5.3 points better than with the Sixers.

McDaniels? Well, Doc Rivers sat him on the bench for the playoffs, so the trade netted them less than nothing:

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Much more in this article if you are interested:
https://thesixersense.com/2023/07/08/free-market-says-morey-blew-it-thybulle-trade/
 
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SlyPokerCat said:
Is that Aaron Goodwin next to Thybulle?

For someone so upset about not going to Dallas he sure looks happy.

Cronin looks happy too.
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I think fans here are way more upset than Goodwin, Cronin, or probably even Dame.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That’s not what he said.
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This is what appears to be the money quote (I didn't listen to the whole thing, so there might be more):

(from BR):
"The vibe I've gotten is that Thybulle really did want to end up with Dallas," Stein said. "This is something Thybulle's been wanting even before this summer. Dallas has been talked about as a potential destination. The Mavericks have explored in the past pathways to trade for Thybulle."

Haynes then added: "Matisse desperately wanted to be a member of the Dallas Mavericks."
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I don't see either of them saying he hoped the Blazers wouldn't match, but the implication is definitely there from both of them, since the only way he could be there is if the Blazers didn't match.
 
Ed O said:
This is what appears to be the money quote (I didn't listen to the whole thing, so there might be more):

(from BR):
"The vibe I've gotten is that Thybulle really did want to end up with Dallas," Stein said. "This is something Thybulle's been wanting even before this summer. Dallas has been talked about as a potential destination. The Mavericks have explored in the past pathways to trade for Thybulle."

Haynes then added: "Matisse desperately wanted to be a member of the Dallas Mavericks."
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I don't see either of them saying he hoped the Blazers wouldn't match, but the implication is definitely there from both of them, since the only way he could be there is if the Blazers didn't match.
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Honestly if Matisse wanted to be in Dallas so badly he wouldn't have signed that offer sheet. He would have negotiated a sign and trade with us and the Mavs. He knew as soon as that offer sheet was signed that we would match because you can't let a player (even a specialist) walk for nothing.
 
blazerkor said:
Honestly if Matisse wanted to be in Dallas so badly he wouldn't have signed that offer sheet. He would have negotiated a sign and trade with us and the Mavs. He knew as soon as that offer sheet was signed that we would match because you can't let a player (even a specialist) walk for nothing.
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of course. It's all bullshit to try to make it seem there is a mutiny amongst the squad. First Dame, then Matisse.
 
no time to watch, care to paraphrase??
thx
 
First question to both is about how is the Dame situation playing into your situation. Grant- all the right words and praises Joe. MT- I signed a sheet and they matched it. Not really feeling the love, but I stop around the 5 minute mark.
 
blazerkor said:
Honestly if Matisse wanted to be in Dallas so badly he wouldn't have signed that offer sheet. He would have negotiated a sign and trade with us and the Mavs. He knew as soon as that offer sheet was signed that we would match because you can't let a player (even a specialist) walk for nothing.
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That's just not correct. Look at many good teams around the NBA, and lots let guys walk for no value. A quick glance:

Lakers: Let Beasley sign with the Bucks. He started 14 games and averaged 23.9 mpg for the Lakers after the trade.
Denver: Lost Brown to Indiana. He played 28.5 mpg last year and was obviously an important guy in the playoffs
Golden State: Donte DiVincenzo started 36 games and averaged 26.3 mpg. He signed with the Knicks.
Miami: Gabe Vincent started 34 games and averaged 25.9 mpg. Signed with the Lakers.
OKC: Dario Saric averaged 14.7 mpg last year between Phoenix and OKC, but the Thunder let him walk to Golden State.
Philadelphia: Georges Niang averaged 19.4 mpg last year in 78 games, but he signed with Cleveland.
Phoenix: Torrey Craig went to Chicago. He started 60 games last year and averaged 24.7 mpg.

That's just at a quick glance, and I ignored some older guys like Eric Gordon.

Thybulle played 27.7 mpg for the Blazers, starting 22 (of 23) games for a truly horrible team. Dallas was willing to offer him so much money because they have two amazing offensive players and want to win now... Portland is not Dallas, and spending as much money on Matisse as Dallas would is not smart. Thybulle is a borderline rotation guy for good teams, and I don't believe that most teams would pay (let alone automatically match) three years, $33m, just in the name of letting "an asset" walk. I think that ths summer and the quick glance above demonstrates that.

Thybulle was had for next to nothing at the trade deadline last year, and now he's a year older and paid significantly more, which means his trade value will be next to (or maybe actually) nothing. He will either be playing out of position at the small forward or he will be taking minutes from younger, more promising, guys who are the future of our franchise. It was a bad decision to match.

The Blazers are inconsistent about their timeline to win and inexplicably invested in the same veterans that haven't made much of a difference in winning (Nurk, Grant, and now Thybulle). That is not the way NBA rosters should be built, salary cap money should be spent, and winning teams are managed.
 
Given that interview, I imagine Thybulle is not long for this team.
 
maxiep said:
Given that interview, I imagine Thybulle is not long for this team.
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Not sure about it, around 3:45 he said "I'm here and I'm happy to be here". I imagine he might have wanted to be in Dallas since Portland did not offer him a contract - but seems to be happy where-ever he is.
 
Ed O said:
That's just not correct. Look at many good teams around the NBA, and lots let guys walk for no value. A quick glance:

Lakers: Let Beasley sign with the Bucks. He started 14 games and averaged 23.9 mpg for the Lakers after the trade.
Denver: Lost Brown to Indiana. He played 28.5 mpg last year and was obviously an important guy in the playoffs
Golden State: Donte DiVincenzo started 36 games and averaged 26.3 mpg. He signed with the Knicks.
Miami: Gabe Vincent started 34 games and averaged 25.9 mpg. Signed with the Lakers.
OKC: Dario Saric averaged 14.7 mpg last year between Phoenix and OKC, but the Thunder let him walk to Golden State.
Philadelphia: Georges Niang averaged 19.4 mpg last year in 78 games, but he signed with Cleveland.
Phoenix: Torrey Craig went to Chicago. He started 60 games last year and averaged 24.7 mpg.

That's just at a quick glance, and I ignored some older guys like Eric Gordon.

Thybulle played 27.7 mpg for the Blazers, starting 22 (of 23) games for a truly horrible team. Dallas was willing to offer him so much money because they have two amazing offensive players and want to win now... Portland is not Dallas, and spending as much money on Matisse as Dallas would is not smart. Thybulle is a borderline rotation guy for good teams, and I don't believe that most teams would pay (let alone automatically match) three years, $33m, just in the name of letting "an asset" walk. I think that ths summer and the quick glance above demonstrates that.

Thybulle was had for next to nothing at the trade deadline last year, and now he's a year older and paid significantly more, which means his trade value will be next to (or maybe actually) nothing. He will either be playing out of position at the small forward or he will be taking minutes from younger, more promising, guys who are the future of our franchise. It was a bad decision to match.

The Blazers are inconsistent about their timeline to win and inexplicably invested in the same veterans that haven't made much of a difference in winning (Nurk, Grant, and now Thybulle). That is not the way NBA rosters should be built, salary cap money should be spent, and winning teams are managed.
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none of those players was a restricted free agent
 
maxiep said:
Given that interview, I imagine Thybulle is not long for this team.
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Only if he is not good enough to play in Portland. What I took away from the interview was his comment about how good his friends and family thought he played once he was given a larger role. IMO he just wants to play and if he can't break into this rotation where can he?
 
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