Mavs clearing space for Williams

[Mediocre Man]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217049/Report_Mavs_Freeing_Up_Cap_Space_To_Pursue_Deron


Imagine a team with an eye towards the future.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Imagine an MM who didn't whine and moan in every single post.

No, it's no good. I can't.

 

[magnifier661]

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Imagine a team with an eye towards the future.

Oh and why can't we do the same? Roy's contract can be amnesty'd this summer, just in time for a player like Williams. Also, not signing a player to max MLE would show more sign of testing the free-agent market this summer than a Landry this season.

Explain to me how not Amnestying Roy pertains to this article? I am patiently waiting.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Imagine an MM who didn't whine and moan in every single post.

No, it's no good. I can't.

He didnt use to be like this, I promise!

 

[THE HCP]

Ya, what's up with MM? He must not be getting any at home. MM, you can have my next visit with Mrs. BeerBoy if you want! She's pretty good.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Oh and why can't we do the same? Roy's contract can be amnesty'd this summer, just in time for a player like Williams. Also, not signing a player to max MLE would show more sign of testing the free-agent market this summer than a Landry this season.

Explain to me how not Amnestying Roy pertains to this article? I am patiently waiting.

I don't think I said anything about amnestying Roy in this thread? Not really sure why you brought it up?

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think I said anything about amnestying Roy in this thread? Not really sure why you brought it up?

Pretty obvious why I brought it up MM. Especially since you posted how the refusale of the Roy Amnesty retards our future of the franchise. Then you post this gem to troll the very same concept. The funny thing was I posted how Dallas was always considered the team good for the reg season and failed in the playoffs. In fact, they had way more 1st round exits than the Blazers, yet they are now considered the mold of how to make a championship. So I replied we have just as much of an opportunity for saving the Amnesty on Roy for this summer as Dallas to land Williams.

 

[Pinwheel1]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217049/Report_Mavs_Freeing_Up_Cap_Space_To_Pursue_Deron


Imagine a team with an eye towards the future.

Imagine being located in a market that attracts big names. The fact that Deron is from the Dallas area doesn't hurt either. I said on this board three years ago he would end up in Dallas. Is this a shock to anyone? Certainly not to anyone in Utah

 

[Mediocre Man]

He didnt use to be like this, I promise!

I guess I am one that doesn't stand for complacency. Nate can't get us close to a title, so fire his ass and bring someone in who might be able to. Roy, even if he is better than last year going forward, will never be the all-NBA player he once was, so why keep him as a max player? Drafting guys over and over that will never see an NBA court is poor business, so why keep doing it? Hiring and firing GM's like they it's a fantasy league makes this franchise a laughing stock, but they continue to do it. These are things that piss me off, and when they change, then I will as well. Drafting Smith was solid, but the moving of Rudy, and what we got in return was asinine. A little love from the Blazers will get a little love from me.

I want nothing more than for this team to win. I was there at the beginning, and I will always be there as a fan. But as an extremely passionate fan, I get pissed when my favorite team continues to act foolish. That doesn't stop me from buying league pass and staying up til midnight to watch them though, and it doesn;t prevent me from dragging my boys to the game on a school night dressed from head to tow in Blazers gear when they come to Houston, SA, Dallas or NO.

The real problem is the fans that don't seem to have a fucking clue about things that just want their feel good story so they sleep better or whatever.

 

[RR7]

Why do you assume complacency? Isn't it very very possible for a team to have an eye towards the future without having to come out and say it? You seemed to complain about KP a lot also, but he had that eye on the future with his cap space/Paul pipe dream. And all that got us was more whining by you. If we said this, you'd just whine that we were punting on what we had to look towards something else, and how bad it was for our guys to not be concerned about the team this season, blah blah blah.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why do you assume complacency? Isn't it very very possible for a team to have an eye towards the future without having to come out and say it? You seemed to complain about KP a lot also, but he had that eye on the future with his cap space/Paul pipe dream. And all that got us was more whining by you. If we said this, you'd just whine that we were punting on what we had to look towards something else, and how bad it was for our guys to not be concerned about the team this season, blah blah blah.

Portland, 9 times out of 10, will never attract big name free agents. To have a plan to do so is foolish. For Portland to be successful they need to draft well and add assets to trade for players to put them over the top. Then add role players through MLE and vet minimum

 

[RR7]

sounds like what we've been doing.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Good player for Dallas if they can get him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

sounds like what we've been doing.

Claver, Freeland, Koponen, Sergio, Rudy?


Larry boy, and or Cho, depending on who you believe, did a fantastic job getting Wallace from the Bobs. But in reality they traded a lottery pick, and two other first rounders to get him. Was he worth it in the long run, or would those picks and a young Bayless have served us better in the long run? I love GW, but that's a tough call

 

[RR7]

well, if it's about accumulating assets in a trade, young assets are a definite need. Also, deals that can actually string together a deal are required. That was a big issue last offseason, when everyone was trying to put together packages to get Paul for us, there were three super large contracts, and 10 super small ones, which make finding a deal or putting one together difficult. And no, reality isn't that they traded a lottery pick AND two first rounders. One of those first rounders came for Bayless. So it was bayless and a pick for Wallace. Bayless was then moved shortly after for Jarrett Jack. I'd really like to have him, with roy's injuries. But I prefer Wallace.

But otherwise, I'd say adding Felton for Miller is acquiring an asset who could be more attractive, to us or another team. Wallace. Wes with the full MLE last season.

 

[RR7]

On top of that, we can go into offseason, use amnesty on Roy, and have 25 million or so in cap space, provided Wallace does not exercise his option. So, just as the Mavs have an eye on a move potentially next offseason, could be that we do as well. Front office can very easily look and say hey, no need to add another 5 million full MLE onto the books this offseason, and hurt our chances of adding a free agent, or being able to make a very large lopsided trade to clear salary from someone else looking to get into free agency. No, we won't be a destination for a player. But Say NY wants to try to add Howard and Paul both. Hey, we have space, give us Amare, fine. Very unlikely, but cap space is an asset, whether it is to lure a free agent, or make a trade.

 

[Nikolokolus]

On top of that, we can go into offseason, use amnesty on Roy, and have 25 million or so in cap space, provided Wallace does not exercise his option. So, just as the Mavs have an eye on a move potentially next offseason, could be that we do as well. Front office can very easily look and say hey, no need to add another 5 million full MLE onto the books this offseason, and hurt our chances of adding a free agent, or being able to make a very large lopsided trade to clear salary from someone else looking to get into free agency. No, we won't be a destination for a player. But Say NY wants to try to add Howard and Paul both. Hey, we have space, give us Amare, fine. Very unlikely, but cap space is an asset, whether it is to lure a free agent, or make a trade.

The trouble is Wallace will almost certainly exercise that option; he could never do better in free agency given his style of play and his age.

 

[RR7]

He'd be 30 at the beginning of free agency next season, if he declined his option. Caron Butler is 31, coming off of injuries, and looking at deals larger than the MLE potentially. I think given a healthy season by Wallace, the biggest reason he WOULD opt out is to lock in one last 3-4 year deal for good money, instead of risking playing out that last season, and getting injured. Same reason I would think oden would take a solid offer on an extension now, instead f the risk of having to play out this season.

 

[Masbee]

I guess I am one that doesn't stand for complacency. Nate can't get us close to a title, so fire his ass and bring someone in who might be able to.

Because who is that finals caliber coach that we could have hired but didn't?

McMillan may not be the very best coach, but he is decent and steady.

Change for change's sake is usually more disruptive and less likely to work out well than being more patient.

Roy, even if he is better than last year going forward, will never be the all-NBA player he once was, so why keep him as a max player?

Cause of this thing called a guaranteed contract. Roy is getting paid by the Blazers whether he earns it or not.

Drafting guys over and over that will never see an NBA court is poor business, so why keep doing it?

Because they didn't have roster room and preferred stockpiling talent overseas than doing nothing - which is what some other franchises do. So, it didn't work out. Show me a team that bats 1000 on their drafting.

Hiring and firing GM's like they it's a fantasy league makes this franchise a laughing stock, but they continue to do it.

I don't think the Blazer's are a laughing stock franchise. Try the Clippers. Or the Hawks. Or the Kings. Or the Wolves.

These are things that piss me off, and when they change, then I will as well.

It seems your anger is as much about you as it is the Blazers. But, whatever.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

You have to give them credit, they are trying to fill the most important position with a player that's more than a stop-gap.

Blazer management are oblivious to the fact.

Felton, Miller, Blake, Telfair, McInnis, etc...

 

[RR7]

You have to give them credit, they are trying to fill the most important position with a player that's more than a stop-gap.

Blazer management are oblivious to the fact.

Felton, Miller, Blake, Telfair, McInnis, etc...

We've supposedly made many attempts over the last probably two years or more to trade for Chris Paul. How's that any different than dallas targeting Deron?
And I wouldn't consider drafting Telfair looking at it as a stop gap.

 

[Draco]

Claver, Freeland, Koponen, Sergio, Rudy?


Larry boy, and or Cho, depending on who you believe, did a fantastic job getting Wallace from the Bobs. But in reality they traded a lottery pick, and two other first rounders to get him. Was he worth it in the long run, or would those picks and a young Bayless have served us better in the long run? I love GW, but that's a tough call

You say we traded a lottery pick and two first rounders? How do you figure that?

We traded them the 2011 Hornets pick, which was basically the same as our pick being late in the first round; and our 2013 pick, which looks like another late first rounder.

Yes Bayless was traded for the Hornets pick, but you can't count those assets twice since one was used for the other. And Bayless is not close to the value of Wallace, Gerald was the second best player on a legit playoff team. Bayless is a scrub bench player on a horrible lottery team.

You complain about management overvaluing young guys like Rudy, Outlaw, Martell and trading them a season to late; then think its bad when we trade away a young player who was projected to be behind Armon Johnson in the rotation for a player 1 year removed from playing in the all-star game???

 

[Draco]

The trouble is Wallace will almost certainly exercise that option; he could never do better in free agency given his style of play and his age.

If Richard Jefferson can opt out of a $14 million dollar one year contract coming off a mediocre season of not even being a starter and still get a $40+ million long-term deal I think Wallace can easily opt out of a smaller $9 million contract being the second best player on a playoff team. Not saying for certain he does opt out, but I'd say it's more likely than not he does opt out just to get more guaranteed years. He most certainly is no guarantee to stay in for that final season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Because who is that finals caliber coach that we could have hired but didn't?

McMillan may not be the very best coach, but he is decent and steady.

Change for change's sake is usually more disruptive and less likely to work out well than being more patient.
Cause of this thing called a guaranteed contract. Roy is getting paid by the Blazers whether he earns it or not.
Because they didn't have roster room and preferred stockpiling talent overseas than doing nothing - which is what some other franchises do. So, it didn't work out. Show me a team that bats 1000 on their drafting.
I don't think the Blazer's are a laughing stock franchise. Try the Clippers. Or the Hawks. Or the Kings. Or the Wolves.

It seems your anger is as much about you as it is the Blazers. But, whatever.

McMillan has proven over 11 years as a head coach that he can't get deep into the playoffs. I wouldn't call replacing him change for the sake of change

Roy should be paid. He has meant a lot to the city of Portland. But he shouldn't take any cap space

Earl Barron, Chris Johnson, Armon Johnson, Patty Mills. I think they had the roster spots, don't you?

Franchise was the absolute wrong word to use. Management is what I should have said. However, it reflects poorly on the franchise when they do stupid things like the Darius Miles threatening letter

 

[Rhal]

McMillan has proven over 11 years as a head coach that he can't get deep into the playoffs. I wouldn't call replacing him change for the sake of change

Roy should be paid. He has meant a lot to the city of Portland. But he shouldn't take any cap space

Earl Barron, Chris Johnson, Armon Johnson, Patty Mills. I think they had the roster spots, don't you?

Franchise was the absolute wrong word to use. Management is what I should have said. However, it reflex poorly on the franchise when they do stupid things like the Darius Miles threatening letter

I see no reason why we would have to amnesty Roy off the bat. Teams have to us 85% of there capspace this year so a lot of people that seem like they would be fit with portland and we could use the MLE on will get bigger deals (Landry/Hayes) just because of how much money teams have to spend and how mediocre this free agent period is. If you want to look at the optimistic view then not only is Roy a player on the team but he is a big fat chunk of money we can get off our books whenever we want if the right player comes our way.

 

[Blaze01]

Don't say anything negative about the Blazers MM, or face the wrath of the "fan boys"...

That is how sad this fucking forum has become...

 

[RR7]

Don't say anything negative about the Blazers MM, or face the wrath of the "fan boys"...

That is how sad this fucking forum has become...

gimme a fucking break. It's sad when someone defends the Blazers in a Blazers forum, but makes sense for someone to mock them because another team is trying to clear space at a weak attempt at a PG, when we've made similar weak attempts at a different PG? GTFO. Fan boys. Fuck you.

 

[Weav]

Don't say anything negative about the Blazers MM, or face the wrath of the "fan boys"...

That is how sad this fucking forum has become...

There's a big difference between critical analysis and purely emotional negativity. The former is welcomed, the latter is pathetic.

 

[maxiep]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217049/Report_Mavs_Freeing_Up_Cap_Space_To_Pursue_Deron


Imagine a team with an eye towards the future.

Here's the plan: Have Deron sign with Dallas, pick up the rights to Webster and Jack and trade Webs, JJ and Freeland for Williams.

Problem solved.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Portland, 9 times out of 10, will never attract big name free agents. To have a plan to do so is foolish. For Portland to be successful they need to draft well and add assets to trade for players to put them over the top. Then add role players through MLE and vet minimum

And another thing they need to do is player development; building the athleticism, physique, and basketball skills of the players they have. They should go out and hire the best they can find; one guy for small men and one guy for big men. Pay them what's needed and for as long as in needed. Find somebody on the cutting edge on the body building and rehabilitation sides. Same for a top notch nutritionist. (And no, I don't think Dan Dickau counts as one of the best or Buck Williams).

On another note I would like to say that I really appreciate MM's contribution to the board and I don't think it is at all fair to call him a troll and i don't think it's conducive to open discussion to imply that psychological factors affect his (or any other poster's) style of contributing.