McCain/Palin The priveliges of being white

[Jurassic]

Oh, dear. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between the people you just named and Sen. Obama.

Extreme examples to prove a point....this is a message board, nearly impossible to detect tone.

At the same time its sad that you've never heard people attribute these people's skills to their race. Steve Nash went through it when he won MVP over Shaq, people go through this nonsense every day. Dirk constantly gets compared to Bird simply because both are white. Although people act like Barrack only benefits from being black, I haven't heard a single person acknowledge that he also suffers a lot of disadvantages for it.

And I've only heard one person note that it is not him who uses his race as an advantage, but his supporters. Also, if a white male with Barracks qualifications had been up against Hillary, who is to say that she would have won? A big part of her downfall was Bill being too involved in her campaign, it wasn't all about qualifications imo.

 

[maxiep]

Doesn't really matter to me, Hillary wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for her last name and gender. There are plenty of comparable examples.

Absolutely right. For once I'd like to see candidates who were nominated because of their excellence, not because of identity politics.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

As a black man who plans on being a lawyer, I wonder if I'll ever be able to accomplish anything without it being "only because he is black". Sad.

Until the demon known as Affirmative Action is slayed, I'm afraid you'll always have that over your head.

 

[Jurassic]

Doesn't really matter to me, Hillary wouldn't be anywhere if it weren't for her last name and gender. There are plenty of comparable examples.

Thank you. If she had beaten out Barrack then the masses would be saying that she won because of her gender and name, and they would probably also be saying that Barrack's race hurt his chances and that America wasn't ready.

There are so many double standards. In my opinion a huge one that was overlooked was comparing Palin to Hillary. Granted, most are over the fact that Palin's teen is pregnant, but in the beginning many said that if she can't run her own home how can she run the country? Well it applies to Hillary as well, who had her husband cheat on her.

 

[Jurassic]

Until the demon known as Affirmative Action is slayed, I'm afraid you'll always have that over your head.

That's real talk Xerick, for better or worse. The qualified minorities are viewed as unqualified once hired, and some who really are unqualified will be hired. Some in the majority who are more qualified will lose out on jobs unfairly, others in the majority who are unqualified and not hired will whine that it is because of affirmative action.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

That's real talk Xerick, for better or worse. The qualified minorities are viewed as unqualified once hired, and some who really are unqualified will be hired. Some in the majority who are more qualified will lose out on jobs unfairly, others in the majority who are unqualified and not hired will whine that it is because of affirmative action.

It sucks but its the truth. I have had people relate to me that they won't go to black doctors because they were affirmative action hires and are likely less qualified. Granted, you can't make gross generalizations on things like this, but when you make policy to overlook qualifications and factor race into something, its sadly a consideration that is in people's heads. I'm sure there are books on this.

 

[Denny Crane]

It sucks but its the truth. I have had people relate to me that they won't go to black doctors because they were affirmative action hires and are likely less qualified. I don't know how true it is, but when you make policy to overlook qualifications and factor race into something, its sadly a consideration that is in people's heads. I'm sure there are books on this.

This is utter nonsense.

If there's one opening in medical school and 10 people score 100% on the entrance exams and 1 is black, AA says take the black candidate. He's no less qualified.

Any doctor who graduates school has a very good chance of being a fine doctor, regardless of race.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

This is utter nonsense.

If there's one opening in medical school and 10 people score 100% on the entrance exams and 1 is black, AA says take the black candidate. He's no less qualified.

Any doctor who graduates school has a very good chance of being a fine doctor, regardless of race.

No. With Affirmative Action, you can take a black (or American Indian or Mexican) candidate with markedly decreased academic qualifications. I believe there was a famous example of this in the media a few years ago where the practice was criticized.

For Affirmative Action, the BAR IS LOWERED. It is an unfair and unamerican practice in which qualifications are made not of the content of one's character, but of the color of one's skin.

It happens in jobs, it happens in schools, and it happens everywhere in life. I find it personally ridiculous that one's race should be a factor in any of these situations.

 

[Denny Crane]

No. With Affirmative Action, you can take a black (or American Indian or Mexican) candidate with markedly decreased academic qualifications. I believe there was a famous example of this in the media a few years ago where the practice was criticized.

For Affirmative Action, the BAR IS LOWERED. It is an unfair and unamerican practice in which qualifications are made not of the content of one's character, but of the color of one's skin.

This is still wrong.

If the bar is lowered in one case, that is the exception to the rule.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

This is still wrong.

If the bar is lowered in one case, that is the exception to the rule.

The bar is always lowered. IT is not the exception to the rule, it IS the rule. By making preferences based on race and setting quotas, you are automatically lowering the bar.

Finding two identically qualified candidates (or 10) is impossible to do. Therefore, race becomes a factor and qualifications are looked over in favor of race, which is absurd.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.nas.org/forum_blogger/forum_archives/2005_02_13_nasof_arch.cfm

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Summary please. What are you trying to say with this article.

 

[Denny Crane]

Blacks get in with the same scores as whites. They don't graduate or pass the bar as much, even though they have similar grades. My point is those who do are fine (e.g. no reason to fear going to a black doctor). What AA does accomplish is MORE black doctors, lawyers, etc., all perfectly qualified.

Key quotes:

On the contrary, black grades were the same or somewhat better than those of whites with similar Academic Index scores.

Concerning graduation and the bar, equal black and white skills resulted in much lower black rates.

black students, whatever the disadvantages of attending "more elite schools," did not "end up with lower law school grades" than whites with similar Index scores. That these black students, nevertheless, had lower bar passage rates than their counterparts cannot be explained by "lower black grades," since their grades were not lower than the grades of whites with similar Index scores.

 

[BlazerWookee]

"If" is the biggest word in the English language.

Just sayin'.