McDonagh trade proposals

[kreidertime]

I'm up for it because I don't think they can rebuild without dealing him. Honestly, I feel good about Skjei, Graves and McIlrath filling 3 of the defenseman roles. McDonagh is not going to save this team the next 3 years. I believe Skjei can turn into that kind of defenseman. I've also seen McDonagh make a lot of bonehead mistakes that most of the fans don't call him out for.

I would do

Girgensons, Foligno, Buffalo's first for McDonagh and Glass.


I think Girgensons can blossom into a 50 point, 2 way center. He was on his way but he's stuck behind Eichel and Reinhart now. Foligno would be a huge upgrade for a role player. Trade Nash to somebody for a middle to late first. Draft a forward and defenseman and let the rebuilding begin.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

I don't think they're going to trade him, the team ran out of gas. They have to get rid of dead weight. I still think this core can get it done if they can add some players and subtract others

 

[Ranger71]

It's an interesting dilemma for sure. He's an above average player but like Dump said and we've all seen he does some Girardi-esque things which make you scratch your head sometimes. He's not an elite offense or defensive player, somewhere in the 25-30 overall range.
I'm not sure I'd move him unless you're talking complete rebuild.

 

[kreidertime]

Toronto got the first pick. Thank God. Jets second. I don't see them moving that pick. However, Carolina and Edmonton I can see for sure moving those picks for a McDonagh. Perhaps take a center like Dubois or wing like Puljujarvi. You know there would be no way Torts would turn down McDonagh for the third pick.

 

[cagedlion]

I just have no confidence in Ranger management to make bold,
necessary moves. I pray he is not the Jerry Reese of hockey!

 

[kreidertime]

People better warm to the idea of them dealing McDonagh. I think it will happen and it's smart. Sell high. If he gets another major injury, he could be headed the way of Girardi soon.

 

[kreidertime]

Once again the morons who work for HF prove they have no clue.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articl...evalent-in-new-york-rangers-top-20-prospects/

Some of these scouting reports are idiotic. Halverson to start. He doesn't let a lot of pucks in. He played on a crap team in the worst defensive junior league. He stood on his head to get his team to the second round. He is a top 10 prospect in this organization for sure. McIlrath projects to a top 4 defenseman after last year and his skating is not goofy. Hal Gill sucked who they compared them to. He could never skate. Just another moron on that board overrating Russian prospects. You know how many Russian players are in the finals? One. As usual, when the going gets tough, they don't get it done in the later rounds other than the odd one.

 

[kreidertime]

The Rangers are starting to look a lot more like the Knicks the way they have done business the past 3 years. Trading all their draft picks away. Acquire old farts who are no longer anywhere near the level they used to be. I mean, when is Gorton going to do something? Trades take a while to setup but this asswipe should have least made one move by now.

 

[Stepupstepan]

I think they cant make any trades yet. They have to wait until the finals are over.

 

[kreidertime]

I'm pretty sure a couple of teams already made a deal with each other.

 

[Messiah717]

No moves can be made until draft day.

 

[Ranger71]

Stepan+ for Brodin is a rumor I've heard. But that would leave us without a C in the top 6.

 

[kreidertime]

Stepan for Brodin and a first, then deal McDonagh for the 4th overall and RNH to Edmonton. Done deal. Then get rid of Nash. It will take more than Brodin to get Stepan. He has no offensive skills.

 

[Ranger71]

I'd be pretty surprised if they dealt McDonagh, at least in the next year or two, but Stepan or Brassard could definately be in play this summer.

 

[theProdigy223]

I see many complaints that a lot of the forwards on this team are lazy, overpaid, soft, play small, dont play tough, dont look engaged, care more about making fancy passes than going to the net and are just plain easy to play against. There is definitely some truth to that. Taking that into consideration, I dont think Ryan Nugent-Hopkins is the type of forward we should be targeting if we trade McDonagh. If we are trading McDonagh (which I dont think we should) Draisaitl should be the play. We dont need another smallish window dresser.

 

[kreidertime]

You take RNH and the 4th because with that pick you can draft a physical power forward in either Tkachuk or Dubois who are NHL ready physically and will be cheap for you for the next 5 years. Draisaitl isn't going to be cheap much longer and they aren't sending you the 4th pick with him. Plus, getting RNH will allow you to deal Stepan to fill other needs. Draisaitl also doesn't play an ounce of defense. His defensive game is non existent.

 

[theProdigy223]

And RNH does play defense? The logic behind this deal just doesn't work in my opinion, for either side, but that's probably because "my head has been up my ass all season."

 

[kreidertime]

That is probably the case. The logic makes perfect sense. The best two defenseman in the system are left handed in Skjei and Graves. Staal most likely can't be moved. RNH has as much if not more upside as Stepan. He's roughly the same size. The 4th pick in the draft is most likely going to land them a franchise type, power forward. So you replace Stepan with RNH. Get a franchise talent with the 4th pick. You let Skjei replace McDonagh. Use Stepan to deal for what most likely will be a very talented, young defenseman. The deals make all the sense.

This team showed they aren't close to winning any longer with Stepan or McDonagh and that they drastically need to change the team.

 

[kreidertime]

McDonagh to me is overrated by Rangers fans. However, his value is very high around the league. To me, there will not be a huge drop off between Skjei and McDonagh when Skjei gets a little more experience. If you look at Pitt's defenseman, they are hardly anything to write home about. Daley basically was considered garbage and he is playing 22 minutes for the Pens in the playoffs.

 

[strudwickisthebest]

Yea McD is def overrated. Good Dman but I'd like to see him out up more points

 

[Ranger71]

If McDonagh could ever develop into a pp qb he'd be one of the top 5-6 guys in the league. Skjei may actually be better offensively.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

And why would Edmonton do that deal?

 

[NYR31]

And why would Edmonton do that deal?

because Dump

A top 5 pick + a 23yo with high potential for a 26yo D is optimistic to say the least.

Dumb trades happen all the time but i'd think Chiarelli has a better grasp of what a dumb trade is and isn't.

 

[kreidertime]

If you have to ask why Edmonton would do that deal, stop watching hockey. Their defense blows. The organization is desperate to make the playoffs. Their top 2 centers are McDavid and Draisaitl. I swear, it's like some people don't even watch this sport. Edmonton does not need RNH and the 4th pick. What they need is a first pairing defenseman in his prime. 31, it's not optimistic. In fact, most people would want more from the Oilers that I've seen. You act like 1st pair defenseman grow on trees. I love how you just said 26 year old d. Gimme a break. McDonagh is worth a ton more than RNH who basically has been a 55 point center so far. Why I say McDonagh is overrated by Rangers fans that doesn't change he's a first pair defenseman on a great contract. Most offers I saw were asking for the 4th pick and Hall. Or the 4th pick and Draisaitl.

The way the game is now, first pair defenseman are the most valuable player on a roster. Crosby and Malkin are not winning these series for the Penguins. It's the role players who aren't going against 1st pair defenseman. The top defenseman are shutting Malkin and Crosby down for the most part. The problem is most teams are using scrubs at the other 4 defenseman.

 

[Ranger71]

The issue though with dealing McDonagh is with G/Staal basically now below average on horrible deals, Klein wearing down and Skjei still learning, you'd really be making our D a below avg unit. Even with McD onboard its a bottom 10 group. If they can find a way to keep Yandle that would help but it goes back to what do you do with 18/5.
If you dealt Stepan for a young dman like a Brodin maybe they sign a stopgap ufa C for 1-2y at 3-4m.

 

[kreidertime]

The team in whole needs to be rebuilt. Especially the D core. Klein is a guy that seems to be hugely popular around the league due to his play and contract. IMO, Rangers need to go with Skjei, McIlrath and acquire at least 2 other young defenseman thru deals and start building another young, d core. Moving Hayes, Nash and Stepan probably could do this. McDonagh is a guy that I would use as I said to get a franchise player with the 4th pick and have RNH replace Stepan so they can use him to improve the defense. Trading Stepan would probably get you Brodin and a first. Then they could use that first to take a defenseman. The Rangers have a lot of players people want. They just have never put them on the market before.

This board has a lot of posters like the clowns on HF in that they overvalue draft picks so much it's mind boggling. I would bet that no GM in the sport would give 2 craps about the 4th overall pick if it meant giving it up for a 26 year old, first pair defenseman on a great contract. Draft picks are unknowns unless you are talking about a player like McDavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, Matthews, ect.... Some drafts the first 10 players turn out to be studs. Then others like 2012, the players in the first 10 turned out to be vastly overrated as prospects.

 

[kreidertime]

It's been reported that Edmonton is shopping the 4th pick. Shopping RNH. Wanting a first pair defenseman. Well, somebody has to tell me other than McDonagh, what team has put a first pair defenseman out there that is affordable.

 

[cagedlion]

I cannot imagine other hockey clubs interested in a journeyman hockey player
like Glass.......................Summer 2016 is approaching and this guy still haunts
Ranger fans......in a bad way.

 

[Ranger71]

Glass id think will be in Htfd most of the year, but we've thought that before.

 

[nj cup]

If you have to ask why Edmonton would do that deal, stop watching hockey. Their defense blows. The organization is desperate to make the playoffs. Their top 2 centers are McDavid and Draisaitl. I swear, it's like some people don't even watch this sport. Edmonton does not need RNH and the 4th pick. What they need is a first pairing defenseman in his prime. 31, it's not optimistic. In fact, most people would want more from the Oilers that I've seen. You act like 1st pair defenseman grow on trees. I love how you just said 26 year old d. Gimme a break. McDonagh is worth a ton more than RNH who basically has been a 55 point center so far. Why I say McDonagh is overrated by Rangers fans that doesn't change he's a first pair defenseman on a great contract. Most offers I saw were asking for the 4th pick and Hall. Or the 4th pick and Draisaitl.

The way the game is now, first pair defenseman are the most valuable player on a roster. Crosby and Malkin are not winning these series for the Penguins. It's the role players who aren't going against 1st pair defenseman. The top defenseman are shutting Malkin and Crosby down for the most part. The problem is most teams are using scrubs at the other 4 defenseman.

I dont think they are desperate to make the playoffs though. they certainly don't seem to be in a rush otherwise they would've made a similar type deal last year or the year before. someone mentioned it before that your going to get a FRANCHISE player with the #4 pick. RNH is a franchise player also. your giving up 2 franchise players for mcd who might be gone in 3 years ufa. noway do they do that deal.