McDonalds coffee case from years ago...

[Denny Crane]

seems to kind of validate the point.

Seems like at 35 degrees cooler than the coffee in the MacDonalds lawsuit the hospital burns unit guy says you get 2nd and 3rd degree burns in less than a second.

Seems to invalidate the claim they need to make their coffee any cooler. The water in my house is 140. You can stick your hand in it forever and not get burned. Too cold for coffee.

 

[julius]

Seems like at 35 degrees cooler than the coffee in the MacDonalds lawsuit the hospital burns unit guy says you get 2nd and 3rd degree burns in less than a second.

So yes, hotter water is worse for you.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Seems to invalidate the claim they need to make their coffee any cooler. The water in my house is 140. You can stick your hand in it forever and not get burned. Too cold for coffee.

not sure how them saying that the hotter is gets the worse it is/longer lasting, really invalidates their point. But please, continue


barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

So yes, hotter water is worse for you.

Thanks for clearing that up.



not sure how them saying that the hotter is gets the worse it is/longer lasting, really invalidates their point. But please, continue


barfo

Not hot water means nobody wants the coffee.

What's your point? I think you lost it a long time ago

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Seems like at 35 degrees cooler than the coffee in the MacDonalds lawsuit the hospital burns unit guy says you get 2nd and 3rd degree burns in less than a second.

Seems to invalidate the claim they need to make their coffee any cooler. The water in my house is 140. You can stick your hand in it forever and not get burned. Too cold for coffee.

I'm not sure what you think invalidates the need to make the coffee cooler . . . but I can think of 3 million reasons that validate making the coffee cooler.

 

[jlprk]

It's true all along, and they knew about it since at least 85-87 cars were made. Sheesh.

Wow, a 3rd party advocate who's never heard of one of the most famous books of the 60s, Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at any Speed." That was about Corvair, but in the same decade, Corvette's flammable plastic gas tank was well-publicized.

 

[jlprk]

For years, Republicans organized a campaign to ridicule this woman (new jokes against her still appear sometimes) as their prime example of a litigious country. This case justified their stripping away of the consumer's right to sue the big boys (who are what the Republicans exist to represent). But Republicans had caused the litigiousness themselves by deregulating.

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[julius]

Not hot water means nobody wants the coffee.

What's your point? I think you lost it a long time ago

my point was that mcdonalds knew it was selling coffee at a temperature that was unsafe, and did it because they were trying to create as much profit as possible, inspite of knowing it wasn't safe.

Then you brought something about Corvettes, then said that water that was 35 degrees cooler was also unsafe (but not nearly as unsafe), and kind of lost your argument.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wow, a 3rd party advocate who's never heard of one of the most famous books of the 60s, Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at any Speed." That was about Corvair, but in the same decade, Corvette's flammable plastic gas tank was well-publicized.

And Nader was wrong about the corsair. Go figure.

 

[Denny Crane]

my point was that mcdonalds knew it was selling coffee at a temperature that was unsafe, and did it because they were trying to create as much profit as possible, inspite of knowing it wasn't safe.

Then you brought something about Corvettes, then said that water that was 35 degrees cooler was also unsafe (but not nearly as unsafe), and kind of lost your argument.

So what if McD's sells hot coffee?

BIC sells lighters; you could set yourself on fire.

BIC knows it, too.

So stop selling everything that might be dangerous to 1 in a billion uses?

I'm not following your logic here.

 

[blazerboy30]

my point was that mcdonalds knew it was selling coffee at a temperature that was unsafe, and did it because they were trying to create as much profit as possible, inspite of knowing it wasn't safe.

At what temperature does the coffee become "unsafe"?

Is there a point at which knife manufactures make their knives too sharp and become "unsafe"?

 

[jlprk]

New article from yesterday. It summarizes the old case

In 1992, a cup of McDonald's hot coffee spilled on 79-year-old Stella Liebeck in Alburquerque, N.M. Liebeck, who suffered third-degree burns and was hospitalized, sued McDonald's and won big -- a jury awarded her $2.9 million....When Liebeck won her McDonald's suit she became an instant celebrity, but for the wrong reason: late-night talk-show hosts, comedians, sitcom writers and political pundits accused her of filing a frivolous lawsuit.

Some politicians sought reforms in the legal system, hoping to cap multimillion-dollar verdicts. The trial judge even reduced Liebeck's jury award to about $650,000 before both sides settled for a confidential amount. In 2011, HBO produced a documentary called "Hot Coffee" that profiled Liebeck and her case and showed how corporate America was behind the move to cap jury awards. Wagner said the legal reforms went nowhere once the public learned that Liebeck had a legitimate lawsuit. "People joked about the McDonald's case without looking at the facts," he said....In 2004 Liebeck died at age 91.

Lieback got less than $650,000.

 

[jlprk]

And it has a new case

Twenty-one years later, a Fresno lawyer said McDonald's is still serving piping hot coffee. Nicholas "Butch" Wagner has sued McDonald's in Fresno County Superior Court "in excess of $2 million" on behalf of 74-year-old Clovis homemaker Joan Fino. Wagner said Fino suffered second-degree burns to her groin area after coffee spilled on her lap at the drive-up window of McDonald's in Clovis at Alluvial and Temperance avenues in August 2012. "It still hurts," Fino said this week. "I have trouble sleeping because the burning sensation doesn't go away."

...Wagner said McDonald's serves its coffee extra hot to save money. By keeping the coffee at "scalding hot temperatures," the coffee keeps its taste longer and McDonald's "doesn't have to re-brew coffee as often," he said. In its defense, McDonald's puts a warning -- in both English and Spanish -- on its coffee cup that says: "Caution Handle with Care I'm Hot."

...Fino said she was alone in her sports utility vehicle when she ordered two cups of coffee -- one for her and one for her husband -- on Aug. 14, 2012. She recalled that when she was handed the first cup, coffee spilled out from under the lid and burned her fingers. She quickly put the cup in a cup holder.

When the second cup was handed to her, the coffee spilled onto her lap, Fino said. "I was screaming and crying but the lady at the window didn't even offer to help me," she said. The pain was so excruciating, she said, she unbuckled her seat belt, got out of her car, and raced to restroom. "I left the car running in the drive-through," she said.

She recalled crying in the bathroom, but "no one would talk to me or help me." She said a female employee finally approached, but she just wanted her name and phone number. By then, someone had moved her car to the parking lot, Fino said. She then drove home, still crying, she said. Her husband Robert took her to what was then Clovis Community Hospital...

McDonalds has been settling these cases out of court to avoid publicity, and is attempting that this time.

http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/10/23/3568411/clovis-woman-74-sues-mcdonalds.html

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Tort reform has been foisted upon the country as a way to disparage people who are injured or wronged, somehow making it their fault for being maimed by corporate negligence.

and big business has spent a lot of money on advertising, campaign contributions, and to rig state supreme courts to brainwash the american people into falling for it.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Tort reform has been foisted upon the country as a way to disparage people who are injured or wronged, somehow making it their fault for being maimed by corporate negligence.

and big business has spent a lot of money on advertising, campaign contributions, and to rig state supreme courts to brainwash the american people into falling for it.

Point in case: Denny Crane.




(it's a joke DC . . . i love you)

 

[julius]

So what if McD's sells hot coffee?

BIC sells lighters; you could set yourself on fire.

BIC knows it, too.

So stop selling everything that might be dangerous to 1 in a billion uses?

I'm not following your logic here.

I think you're not following my logic because your example of logic is horribly flawed.

If BIC sold lighters they knew that, if tipped over, would ignite you , you might have a point.

 

[julius]

At what temperature does the coffee become "unsafe"?

when it starts burning you at 2nd and 3rd degree burns?

Is there a point at which knife manufactures make their knives too sharp and become "unsafe"?

The purpose of knives is to cut (be it wood, flesh, muscle, rope, whatever). The purpose of coffee is not to burn human skin.

Is there a point where you guys actually grasp that?

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you're not following my logic because your example of logic is horribly flawed.

If BIC sold lighters they knew that, if tipped over, would ignite you , you might have a point.

The know that if you leave them in the sun or throw them in a campfire, they explode.

The whole logic that anything sold that might somehow cause harm if misused means the company is liable is what's horribly flawed.

People can be idiots and misuse just about anything that's generally safe.

 

[oldguy]

New article from yesterday. It summarizes the old case...

...When Liebeck won her McDonald's suit she became an instant celebrity, but for the wrong reason: late-night talk-show hosts, comedians, sitcom writers and political pundits accused her of filing a frivolous lawsuit.

So, were all those talk-show hosts that ridiculed her on national television a bunch of mean ol' republicans?

Go Blazers

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

MacDonald's didn't pour coffee on anyone. They hold no more responsibility than GM. Millions of people consumed their coffee, billions of times (likely) without incident. Unsafe isn't a reasonable word in this case.

I see your point, but this isn't how law works.

McDonalds was placed on clear notice that their coffee was dangerously hot and injuring people who used it for it's intended purpose. They continued to do so and they have to pay when margin calls.