MEDICAL POT

[maxiep]

it's not even that it's people "ignorant of more important facets". I mean, if DaRizzle (just to pick one, no offense intended) channeled half of that knowledge of vaporization tactics into, say, wind turbine design or non-proliferation obstacles or compression-air automobile technology, we'd be better as a country and as a people.

Hence my "squandered utils" comment.

 

[DaRizzle]

it's not even that it's people "ignorant of more important facets". I mean, if DaRizzle (just to pick one, no offense intended) channeled half of that knowledge of vaporization tactics into, say, wind turbine design or non-proliferation obstacles or compression-air automobile technology, we'd be better as a country and as a people.

yeah....fuck wine connoisseurs too. Your comment makes it sound the pot smokers lives revolve around weed. Im sorry if Im knowledgeable in something I participate/an a fan of. Now stop talking basketball and make us better off as a people and country.

...I do take offense to your comment....should I mention Im a full time student getting my business degree with a 3.6GPA, and a licensed real estate agent to show Im not just learning about vaporizers??...that horse of yours is mighty high in this thread

@ Maxie....maybe the OP jumped the hoops the doctors have asked of him and he still isnt satisfied with the results. Maybe he has seen some of the thousands of interviews of chronic pain suffers saying marijuana was the best thing that ever happened for their symptoms. Its not like he cant go back to normal pharmaceuticals if he doesnt like the result. Its obvious you're just trying to be a smart ass for no real good reason.

 

[BrianFromWA]

yeah....fuck wine connoisseurs too. Your comment makes it sound the pot smokers lives revolve around weed. Im sorry if Im knowledgeable in something I participate/an a fan of. Now stop talking basketball and make us better off as a people and country.

To compare yourself to a wine connoisseur is laughable, but to each his own.
I'm able to go overseas to defend you while participating in my hobbies. My hobbies involve talking about basketball and attempting to educate people on the things I've learned and to stimulate conversation about topics that matter not only to me but to others.
I just picked your name from one of them b/c it stuck out in my mind that this was the first time in a while that I've seen you on here, and b/c it was odd that the first time in forever you contribute mightily to a thread it's about the intricacies of a subculture that I find repulsive and sad. It could've been Haak, or Ronan, or anyone else...but you stood out. Again, no offense there, I just used you as an example.

...I do take offense to your comment....should I mention Im a full time student getting my business degree with a 3.6GPA, and a licensed real estate agent to show Im not just learning about vaporizers??...that horse of yours is mighty high in this thread

You can mention what you'd like. Forgive me for actually following the rules of the country, and I apologize if my moral nature and selfless patriotism offend you and get you all riled up. Are we going to compare penis sizes after education and how much we contribute to the country? You may have a shot with that one. For the record, I'm a part-time night student getting my Master's degree in 2 years with a higher GPA than that while working 42.5 hrs a week as a defense program analyst, and am a qualified DoE Nuclear Engineer and have almost 2000 hours of community service in the last 7 years. And I'm not a wine connoisseur, per se, just a licensed bartender who specializes in tequilas and scotches.

And, imho, if more people were up here on the horse with me, following the rules of the country and contributing to engineering, science, technology and charity instead of glorified sales, we'd be in a better place also. Put that in your vaporizer and smoke it.

 

[DaRizzle]

To compare yourself to a wine connoisseur is laughable, but to each his own.
I'm able to go overseas to defend you while participating in my hobbies. My hobbies involve talking about basketball and attempting to educate people on the things I've learned and to stimulate conversation about topics that matter not only to me but to others.
I just picked your name from one of them b/c it stuck out in my mind that this was the first time in a while that I've seen you on here, and b/c it was odd that the first time in forever you contribute mightily to a thread it's about the intricacies of a subculture that I find repulsive and sad. It could've been Haak, or Ronan, or anyone else...but you stood out. Again, no offense there, I just used you as an example.



You can mention what you'd like. Forgive me for actually following the rules of the country, and I apologize if my moral nature and selfless patriotism offend you and get you all riled up. Are we going to compare penis sizes after education and how much we contribute to the country? You may have a shot with that one. For the record, I'm a part-time night student getting my Master's degree in 2 years with a higher GPA than that while working 42.5 hrs a week as a defense program analyst, and am a qualified DoE Nuclear Engineer and have almost 2000 hours of community service in the last 7 years. And I'm not a wine connoisseur, per se, just a licensed bartender who specializes in tequilas and scotches.

And, imho, if more people were up here on the horse with me, following the rules of the country and contributing to engineering, science, technology and charity instead of glorified sales, we'd be in a better place also. Put that in your vaporizer and smoke it.

Wow...let me get some scaffolding to reach that high horse...

...Good for you, Im glad you have done well for yourself....that doesn't make me any less of a moral person...Where did "selfless patriotism" get me riled up?

...as for the wine part...you know very minimal about the intricacies of marijuana, the different types, indicas, sativas, what the difference in feel is...indoor vs outdoor, the multitude of different tastes.....just because its illegal doesnt mean there is no distinct variety of marijuana.

...are you so much better than me because you drink a glass of scotch while I choose to smoke a bowl? Congrats yours is legal, my choice is WAY less harmful than you choice. (obviously both can be done in moderation). Politics have no connection to morals, yet thats what you are doing...

Weed=illegal=immoral

So if the gov is truly looking out for us and isnt getting their palm greased then why is alcohol legal? A ridiculous amount of people have died because of alcohol, be it from overdose, drunk driving, physical abuse, suicide, etc

People can stupidly drive stoned so we are tied there...but everything else points to alcohol being 1000x worse....do you know what happens is you "OD" on weed???...you fall asleep


There is a place for marijuana in this world to do vast amounts of good...you just dont realize it

 

[BrianFromWA]

It'll take more than scaffolding...it's a lifetime of choosing the harder right. The advantage, though, is that there's always room at the top!

There is a place for marijuana in this world to do vast amounts of good...you just dont realize it

Of course I don't realize it and never have claimed to...I'm not an expert in the consumption of marijuana and don't choose to make it my hobby. I'm also not an expert in prostitution, rape, burglary, downloading pirated material, tapping a cable feed, gun-running, money laundering, taking gov't kickbacks, the difference in driving-while-high vs. DUI, stealing cars, hitting my wife, abusing my child or a host of other things that are also illegal. Nor in strip clubs or abortions or homosexuality, which I don't personally like but recognize are legal for people to do.
Choosing to do something illegal = choosing "wrong" over "right" = immoral. I don't know how to get around that. If the law were changed tomorrow, it wouldn't be illegal for you to do it so you wouldn't be choosing to commit a crime, which is what I was calling immoral. I'm not saying that you are immoral for going to a strip club or getting a girl pregnant out of wedlock, even though that wouldn't be my choice or it's what some senator says is bad...I'm saying that imo it's sad that you (and the others in this thread) who are obviously smart guys and girls are willingly putting a bunch of your brain power into something illegal and that (I would imagine, though I could be wrong) benefits you alone. Unless you fancy yourself as the Marijuana Robin Hood bring toilet-paper rolls filled with fabric sheets and vaporizers to the deserving masses looking to not get caught in their illegal activity.

I say this even with two in-laws who get prescribed this for their medical conditions. If OMG gets this stuff legally to take care of his body, I'm glad it helps.

 

[DaRizzle]

It'll take more than scaffolding...it's a lifetime of choosing the harder right. The advantage, though, is that there's always room at the top!
Of course I don't realize it and never have claimed to...I'm not an expert in the consumption of marijuana and don't choose to make it my hobby. I'm also not an expert in prostitution, rape, burglary, downloading pirated material, tapping a cable feed, gun-running, money laundering, taking gov't kickbacks, the difference in driving-while-high vs. DUI, stealing cars, hitting my wife, abusing my child or a host of other things that are also illegal. Nor in strip clubs or abortions or homosexuality, which I don't personally like but recognize are legal for people to do.
Choosing to do something illegal = choosing "wrong" over "right" = immoral. I don't know how to get around that. If the law were changed tomorrow, it wouldn't be illegal for you to do it so you wouldn't be choosing to commit a crime, which is what I was calling immoral. I'm not saying that you are immoral for going to a strip club or getting a girl pregnant out of wedlock, even though that wouldn't be my choice or it's what some senator says is bad...I'm saying that imo it's sad that you (and the others in this thread) who are obviously smart guys and girls are willingly putting a bunch of your brain power into something illegal and that (I would imagine, though I could be wrong) benefits you alone. Unless you fancy yourself as the Marijuana Robin Hood bring toilet-paper rolls filled with fabric sheets and vaporizers to the deserving masses looking to not get caught in their illegal activity.

I say this even with two in-laws who get prescribed this for their medical conditions. If OMG gets this stuff legally to take care of his body, I'm glad it helps.

So YOU are an immoral person if you have a drink in a dry city? Right? Or if prohibition came back (for argument sake) but you chose to buy your same brand of scotch you always drink but on the "black market" the you are immoral??

Im sorry, but there are some of ridiculous laws out there made for stupid/biased reasons... http://www.dumblaws.com/

I consider a very moral person. Lighting a plant that grows naturally on fire in my own home makes me as immoral as a person who eats a broccoli (or any vegetarian food). A law is not the end all/be all on morals

 

[BrianFromWA]

If I go somewhere it's illegal to drink, I don't drink. My need to drink does not overcome my integrity. Neither does my need to get laid, or my wish to make some money, or to get good grades.

If prohibition came back, I wouldn't sell or drink alcohol. Even though I've done plenty of both.

You want something that'll blow your mind? I drank when I was 15 in France and at 17 in Camp Pendleton, when it was legal. I drank at age 18 in Tijuana, legally. I drank at 19 in Japan, legally. I didn't drink at 21 at the Academy, b/c it was against the school rules.

Lemme guess...you probably think the kid from BYU who got booted off the team for having sex got a raw deal, huh?

 

[DaRizzle]

If I go somewhere it's illegal to drink, I don't drink. My need to drink does not overcome my integrity. Neither does my need to get laid, or my wish to make some money, or to get good grades.

If prohibition came back, I wouldn't sell or drink alcohol. Even though I've done plenty of both.

You want something that'll blow your mind? I drank when I was 15 in France and at 17 in Camp Pendleton, when it was legal. I drank at age 18 in Tijuana, legally. I drank at 19 in Japan, legally. I didn't drink at 21 at the Academy, b/c it was against the school rules.

Lemme guess...you probably think the kid from BYU who got booted off the team for having sex got a raw deal, huh?

If you go somewhere its illegal to drink you dont drink because you know you will be able to have the drink you want eventually. Im not implying you drink too much in any way if it sounds like it, my point is you know youre in that situation thats only temporary, you know soon enough you will be in an area where you can have a drink if you choose...thats not abstaining, thats waiting

As for BYU...
Not at all, he chose to sign a contract that went above and beyond laws, he could have gone to a different school. I applaud BYU actually....but thanks for trying to paint me in a corner as a guy who always takes the easy way out...keep it classy

I respect authority with good intentions and solid reasoning....For argument sake if weed was legal in the US yet not allowed at the school(Academy, whatever) I CHOSE to go to then I would not smoke either...believe it or not people who smoke weed have self control just like you.

"If prohibition came back, I wouldn't drink alcohol.".....bullshit...you would rationalize....over a glass of scotch in the privacy of your home not affecting other people. (Which would be fine in my book)



ANYWAYS....OP....try it, if you dont like it stop...its that simple.

I cant believe people still freak out over a plant that has never in its history cause one OD death and never will... Alcohol is immeasurably worse in body and effect on society...but its legal...so let people destroy their liver and beat their spouses and kids

 

[MickZagger]

Bunch of sinners in this thread ...

 

[maxiep]

"If prohibition came back, I wouldn't drink alcohol.".....bullshit...you would rationalize....over a glass of scotch in the privacy of your home not affecting other people. (Which would be fine in my book)

Or perhaps BrianFromWA hold himself to a higher standard than the rest of us. His posts on the boards in which I've seen him seem to indicate that to be the case.

 

[BrianFromWA]

"If prohibition came back, I wouldn't drink alcohol.".....bullshit...you would rationalize....over a glass of scotch in the privacy of your home not affecting other people. (Which would be fine in my book)

You must not have understood me. I've never taken my wife's medication, though I have the feeling it would make me like the dude in Limitless. I've never had an illegal drink, I didn't have sex before I was married, and I didn't cheat on exams even though grades where I went to school follow you throughout your career. Because I believe in doing the right thing even when no one is watching and you're sure you won't get caught...it's called integrity.

I cant believe people still freak out over a plant that has never in its history cause one OD death and never will... Alcohol is immeasurably worse in body and effect on society...but its legal...so let people destroy their liver and beat their spouses and kids

Bolded for emphasis.

Bunch of sinners in this thread

Everyone sins. I'm the worst one I know b/c I know what goes on in my head. But there's a difference b/w sinning and not even caring that you sin. But that's for another discussion

 

[DaRizzle]

Holy crap...nevermind..Im sorry I got In this discussion with you...you're right, im wrong.

You go following laws blindly, don't question anything. Evidently Im only moral in Canada and Holland.

Imaginary lines on a map, and other peoples OPINIONS on something make me immoral...sweet....sign me up

Im gonna go have an abortion after I smoke this bowl...please

 

[3RA1N1AC]

its easy to spot a marijuana addict, they are usually covered in semen from violent masturbation marathons after they get too wasted to find a rape victim

 

[BrianFromWA]

Is this what happens in short-term withdrawal?

Holy crap...nevermind..Im sorry I got In this discussion with you...you're right, im wrong.

You go following laws blindly, don't question anything. Evidently Im only moral in Canada and Holland.

Imaginary lines on a map, and other peoples OPINIONS on something make me immoral...sweet....sign me up

Im gonna go have an abortion after I smoke this bowl...please

Perhaps some classes in history, civics, philosophy or ethics would complement you well in your studies. You're obviously smart enough to get something from them. You're just not showing it with whatever you're opining about now.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I question plenty of things...like why smart people are spending all this brainpower trying to figure out ways to hide their illegal drug activity from their parents, or how to most efficiently grab all the good stuff from the herb without the bad.

I don't question why someone smokes pot. For all the BS spouted the drug, it's really about wanting to do something that makes you feel good whether or not you're supposed to. And people have been doing that since the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. It's unoriginal and sad.

Laws are laws for a reason. If you'd like to have them changed, go for it. But it's not like you're MLK Jr leading to equality for the masses of stoners. You're not Wilberforce freeing the slaves or Susan B Anthony getting voting rights for women.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Is this what happens in short-term withdrawal?

marijuana is non-addictive

 

[3RA1N1AC]

alcohol kills 15000 people in the US yearly from liver damage alone.

marijuana has never killed anyone in the history of the world.

the only dead bodies from marijuana are in our prisons and at the hands of the police.

 

[DaRizzle]

You say that as if I haven't taken courses in those areas already. Business ethics a big part of my studies. Since you brought it up, Law and ethics are not the same at all... I think you know that.

I know Im not gonna change you mind in one day ( or 20 years judging by responses) so lets just leave it be. Your opinion has been heard...and has come up lacking IMO (just as mine does to you)....Go watch Reefer Madness and have a nice day

 

[DaRizzle]

But it's not like you're MLK Jr leading to equality for the masses of stoners. You're not Wilberforce freeing the slaves or Susan B Anthony getting voting rights for women.

lol...yeah..because that what marijuana smokers think on the subject...Choosing to smoke marijuana is the same as being born black...nailed it! We stage million man marches for the issue all the time

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Holy shit BrianFromWA is so much better than all of us. Why don't we worship him?

Fuck patriotism and fuck stupid laws.

 

[Rodolfo]

alcohol kills 15000 people in the US yearly from liver damage alone.

marijuana has never killed anyone in the history of the world.

the only dead bodies from marijuana are in our prisons and at the hands of the police.

Don't be ridiculous. You don't think anyone has killed themselves or others behind the wheel of a vehicle, while high?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Don't be ridiculous. You don't think anyone has killed themselves or others behind the wheel of a vehicle, while high?

lol its not really that ridiculous hoss
that would be the persons fault, not the marijuanas, i really dont see how you could argue differently. its not as if i was stating drunk driving fatalities, i was stating deaths by liver disease.

but, just for you:

most recent i could find was 2008
out of 37,261 driving fatalities
13,846 were alcohol related, or 37%

as for marijuana, the best i could find was some anti-weed atricles attributing "dozens" of weed-related driving deaths per year.

checkmate

 

[3RA1N1AC]

drugwarfacts.com

approximate deaths per year

Tobacco 435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity 365,000
Alcohol 85,000
Microbial Agents 75,000
Toxic Agents 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes 26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs 32,000
Suicide 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms 29,000
Homicide 20,308
Sexual Behaviors 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin 7,600
Marijuana 0

 

[Rodolfo]

lol its not really that ridiculous hoss
that would be the persons fault, not the marijuanas, i really dont see how you could argue differently. its not as if i was stating drunk driving fatalities, i was stating deaths by liver disease.

but, just for you:

most recent i could find was 2008
out of 37,261 driving fatalities
13,846 were alcohol related, or 37%

as for marijuana, the best i could find was some anti-weed atricles attributing "dozens" of weed-related driving deaths per year.

checkmate

So people have died from "weed-related" accidents. That's exactly what I was trying to say, Cheif.

YAHTZEE

 

[Rodolfo]

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[3RA1N1AC]

So people have died from "weed-related" accidents. That's exactly what I was trying to say, Cheif.

YAHTZEE

if your point was that a few people have died in car crashes after they had smoked marijuana in the previous 30 days, congrats for tediously pointing out the painfully obvious. care to take a position? or just jump in and tell everyone that rain is wet.

king me

 

[3RA1N1AC]

it is impossible to overdose on, unlike raw potatoes

 

[Rodolfo]

if your point was that a few people have died in car crashes after they had smoked marijuana in the previous 30 days, congrats for tediously pointing out the painfully obvious. care to take a position? or just jump in and tell everyone that rain is wet.

king me

You're clearly the winner. Way to go.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Car accidents happen all the time, regardless of weed-intake. If you have no proof that smoking makes it more likely, you have no argument.

 

[3RA1N1AC]