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That’s my point... any trade for Dame probably won’t look good initially but you will get lots of young talent with opportunity to develop

I certainly don't want to trade Dame and would much rather start with CJ. But no matter what they got for CJ:
  • They wouldn't win any less games in the Playoffs then they had in the last 2 years. (sad but true)
  • Their defense would likely be better and could hardly be much worse.
  • Cap wise, they would likely be better off.
 
That’s my point... any trade for Dame probably won’t look good initially but you will get lots of young talent with opportunity to develop
Any trade for Dame and youre hoping and praying even one piece you got in return is like half the player Dame is. Why would you do that? He hasnt said he wants to go AFAIK. Better strategy build around your superstar or shuffle him away and hope you find another one in the lottery someday?
Still say they shiukd try a new coach 1st. Be willing to trade CJ, Aminu, ET if needed to fit the new coaches systems in the somewht short term. Then long term if things arent working you ask Dame if he wants to stick around or go to a contender if its not looking like they’ll compete.
 
I certainly don't want to trade Dame and would much rather start with CJ. But no matter what they got for CJ:
  • They wouldn't win any less games in the Playoffs then they had in the last 2 years. (sad but true)
  • Their defense would likely be better and could hardly be much worse.
  • Cap wise, they would likely be better off.
Exactly... what do you really have to lose when you think about it
 
Any trade for Dame and youre hoping and praying even one piece you got in return is like half the player Dame is. Why would you do that? He hasnt said he wants to go AFAIK. Better strategy build around your superstar or shuffle him away and hope you find another one in the lottery someday?
Still say they shiukd try a new coach 1st. Be willing to trade CJ, Aminu, ET if needed to fit the new coaches systems in the somewht short term. Then long term if things arent working you ask Dame if he wants to stick around or go to a contender if its not looking like they’ll compete.
Praying you get a player like Dame who puts up individual stats but can’t win a playoff game?? Ok bro...
 
Praying you get a player like Dame who puts up individual stats but can’t win a playoff game?? Ok bro...
Remember when Lebron couldnt get past the Celtics, or Detroit? Remember when Jordan couldnt either.

Acting like Dame gets you stats and thats it when he’s surrounded by that roster and that coach is just funny. Every player needs other good pieces to win in the playoffs. He’s the only reason they even sniff the playoffs.
 
Remember when Lebron couldnt get past the Celtics, or Detroit? Remember when Jordan couldnt either.

Acting like Dame gets you stats and thats it when he’s surrounded by that roster and that coach is just funny. Every player needs other good pieces to win in the playoffs. He’s the only reason they even sniff the playoffs.
Now you are comparing Dame to arguably the 2 greatest players in NBA history??! Wow... you have just hit a new level of delusion
 
Indiana fans probably said the same thing before trading PG... I’m a fan of the front of the jersey not the back... this team’s not getting it done and has had more opportunities than most... time to move on... all options should be on the table
To a man, almost everyone thought that Indy initially lost the PG13 trade.
Warriors fans felt the same about trading Ellis.
Couldn't you make the argument that Indy is now stuck in mediocrity? They're 14-10 (just one game better than us, let that sink in). Sure, they have some good pieces but they have no chance at winning a title.

I just think it's a little weird to site them as an example of trading a star to get out of mediocrity. Heck, their teams with PG13, Roy Hibbert, David West, and George Hill were much better than their current roster.
 
Now you are comparing Dame to arguably the 2 greatest players in NBA history??! Wow... you have just hit a new level of delusion
No Im pointing out that saying a dude is an epic failure 6-7 years into their career is rediculous. Saying a dude cant win that early in their career is way too early.

Im not delusional I know Dame isnt either of those guys. Acting like well lets just trade Dame and be pathetically bad for a while in 4-5 years when they’ still finding lottery guys with bad knees and their winning 20 games a year will be less fun than being a 1st round playoff team.
 
Couldn't you make the argument that Indy is now stuck in mediocrity? They're 14-10 (just one game better than us, let that sink in). Sure, they have some good pieces but they have no chance at winning a title.

I just think it's a little weird to site them as an example of trading a star to get out of mediocrity. Heck, their teams with PG13, Roy Hibbert, David West, and George Hill were much better than their current roster.
You just proved my point... they traded their star and it didn’t take long to get to the level the Blzers are at now... you act like we will be missing out on something... this team can’t win a playoff game... I’d rather watch young players developed with hope than this dead end of McLillard...
 
I’d trade any ONE person on the roster if it guaranteed cap relief and the opportunity to draft Zion. Starting fresh with him as the the centerpiece surrounded with Zach and Simons sounds fun to me. When those 3 are 19-22 years old the rest of our shit contracts would be up also. Ok begin the bashing.
 
No Im pointing out that saying a dude is an epic failure 6-7 years into their career is rediculous. Saying a dude cant win that early in their career is way too early.

Im not delusional I know Dame isnt either of those guys. Acting like well lets just trade Dame and be pathetically bad for a while in 4-5 years when they’ still finding lottery guys with bad knees and their winning 20 games a year will be less fun than being a 1st round playoff team.
Dame is 28 and still can’t win a playoff game with a 120 mil payroll... so he puts up nice individual stats... woopdidoo
 
I’d trade any ONE person on the roster if it guaranteed cap relief and the opportunity to draft Zion. Starting fresh with him as the the centerpiece surrounded with Zach and Simons sounds fun to me. When those 3 are 19-22 years old all our shit contracts would be up also. Ok begin the bashing.
Zion looked good but maybe he should play an NBA game before we make him that good...

The problem is they could trade Dame lose the rest of the games this year and still not get the #1 pick.
 
Couldn't you make the argument that Indy is now stuck in mediocrity? They're 14-10 (just one game better than us, let that sink in). Sure, they have some good pieces but they have no chance at winning a title.

I just think it's a little weird to site them as an example of trading a star to get out of mediocrity. Heck, their teams with PG13, Roy Hibbert, David West, and George Hill were much better than their current roster.

Indy is in mediocrity....but I wasn't indicating that they weren't. Just that most people felt initially that they lost big on the trade and yet they were better the first year without him than before when they had him.
 
Yeah its definitely his fault NO paid ET, ML, Moe, Crabbe etc waaaaaaaaayyyyy more than they were worth...
Just saying... he hasn’t really won anything when you think about it... odds don’t look good the next 2 years till contracts expire, then you hope some big name free agent wants to sign here for a non contending team when Dame is 30 and gets resigned at a supermax deal
 
Zion looke good but maybe he should play an NBA game before we make him that good...

The problem is they could trade Dame lose the rest of the games this year and still not get the #1 pick.
He looks like he might be the reincarnation of in shape prime Charles Barkley imo, I think if you can pull a trade that gets you that pick you do it, especially since odds are that the GS window is still open for a couple more seasons.
 
You just proved my point... they traded their star and it didn’t take long to get to the level the Blzers are at now... you act like we will be missing out on something... this team can’t win a playoff game... I’d rather watch young players developed with hope than this dead end of McLillard...
Wait, you want to trade McLillard so we can stay right where we're at with no hopes of a title? Do you even read what you type?
 
Wait, you want to trade McLillard so we can stay right where we're at with no hopes of a title? Do you even read what you type?
How is it no hope if you have a younger nucleus with untapped potential getting you the same record as this treadmill team... do you understand logic?
 
Indy is in mediocrity....but I wasn't indicating that they weren't. Just that most people felt initially that they lost big on the trade and yet they were better the first year without him than before when they had him.
I guess my question is would you rather make a trade that makes us better but still not contenders or a trade that makes us way worse but with a very slight chance to be great someday?

I just think mentioning a trade that kept the team in the exact situation this thread is complaining about seems really misguided.
 
Just saying... he hasn’t really won anything when you think about it... odds don’t look good the next 2 years till contracts expire, then you hope some big name free agent wants to sign here for a non contending team when Dame is 30 and gets resigned at a supermax deal
I get it. He hasnt won anything by the way he has actually made it to the 2nd round twice. You can asterick them if you want but the fact remains.
I just believe that the problem last year in the playoffs was coaching, Gentry ran circles round Stotts. I think they have roster problems but they could get A LOT more from the current roster with a different set of eyes coaching them. Could they beat a healthy GS nope, but no one else probably will either.

I agree there are things about the CJ and Dame combo I really dont like, but Dame is far and away the better of the two. If you could trade CJ and get a good haul Id much rather go that route.
 
How is it no hope if you have a younger nucleus with untapped potential getting you the same record as this treadmill team... do you understand logic?
Their roster isn't that young, nor does it have much untapped potential either.
 
He looks like he might be the reincarnation of in shape prime Charles Barkley imo, I think if you can pull a trade that gets you that pick you do it, especially since odds are that the GS window is still open for a couple more seasons.
If they finish this season in epic collapse and they have a their own top ten pick and whoever has the #1 is willing to trade Dame for the #1. Id consider that. They’d get Zion and like another top 10 guy. Probably wouldnt be good for a couple years but maybe theyd be amping up for something soonish.
 
I guess my question is would you rather make a trade that makes us better but still not contenders or a trade that makes us way worse but with a very slight chance to be great someday?

I just think mentioning a trade that kept the team in the exact situation this thread is complaining about seems really misguided.
If the goal is winning a championship I’d rather make a trade that had a 10% chance of making us great eventually than a trade that made us slightly better but 0% chance of being a contender. Who wouldn’t?
 
The bottom line is the only way the Portland Trailblazers are winning a championship is to hit in the draft a few times, and imo franchise difference makers tend to be towards the top of the draft. We need the picks and the right people in position to make the picks. I mean we were two picks off from having Jordan and Durant as part of our history and most likely a couple banners :)
 
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The bottom line is the only way the Portland Trailblazers are winning a championship is to hit in the draft, and imo franchise difference makers tend to be towards the top of the draft. We need the picks and the right people in position to make the picks. I mean we were two picks off from having Jordan and Durant as part of our history and most likely a couple banners :)
Ah great thanks for bringing that up.
Why dont we talk about GO’s knees, the WCF’s the Blazers choked away to LA, and roys cartiledge just for the happy thoughts. :)

I understand what you’re saying. I sort of agree. I guess I feel like they did hit in the draft with Dame, itd be nice to add some pieces to that. I like Zach and Simons and Zion has potential, but i think jury is still out on all of them.
 
So many franchises have hired and fired coaches in droves throughout the league over the last few seasons. It's more of a crap shoot than most fans realize getting the right fit of roster and coach. I couldn't name the coaches of several franchises since Stotts came here. Knicks have had a lot, Lakers, Cavs, Rockets, Suns...D'antoni pretty soon will have coached half of the league it seems...I like Stotts as a coach and don't think he'll be on the hot seat..we need a Ray Allen for Stotts system to thrive
 
So many franchises have hired and fired coaches in droves throughout the league over the last few seasons. It's more of a crap shoot than most fans realize getting the right fit of roster and coach. I couldn't name the coaches of several franchises since Stotts came here. Knicks have had a lot, Lakers, Cavs, Rockets, Suns...D'antoni pretty soon will have coached half of the league it seems...I like Stotts as a coach and don't think he'll be on the hot seat
What exactly do you like about Stotts coaching?
 
So many franchises have hired and fired coaches in droves throughout the league over the last few seasons. It's more of a crap shoot than most fans realize getting the right fit of roster and coach. I couldn't name the coaches of several franchises since Stotts came here. Knicks have had a lot, Lakers, Cavs, Rockets, Suns...D'antoni pretty soon will have coached half of the league it seems...I like Stotts as a coach and don't think he'll be on the hot seat..we need a Ray Allen for Stotts system to thrive
You’re right that changing coaches doesnt guarantee anything. I personally believe a coaching change could help and I have felt that way for a while.
 
What exactly do you like about Stotts coaching?
As much as Dame made a huge impact in keeping the Blazers respectable. I think some credit has to go to Stotts for designing a system around Dame and CJ. Before that his systems had been built around PF/C (types) LMA / Dirk. So I like that he showed some range in his abilities and that to me is a sign of a solid coach.

Now you know how I feel about wanting to see Stotts go, but I think he doesnt really get credit for that it tends to mostly go to Dame.
 
What exactly do you like about Stotts coaching?
His relationship with the players..his demeanor. Probably a lot of his sense of the big picture of a season and the patience it takes to weather it. I think his offensive approach is great if we make shots...I think he's frustrated with the defensive slump and 3 pt shooting slump as we all are..I like that Stotts doesn't bs about a good or bad game and has an honest response to situations as well as media. He's consistent in his approach.
 

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