Memphis "Wont Be Bullied"/ Harris available???

[andalusian]

Devin Harris had a big drop-off in his defensive production last year - I suspect all that pressure to carry the team offensively with VC had really taken a big toll on his defensive production. His defensive win-score last year was the worst he had since his first 2 years in the league.

Just for the record - LMA's defensive win-score last year was almost twice as high as Harris's - no way you trade LMA for Harris. It would be a mistake of epic proportions.

Other than that - it would be great to have him - but my opinion (based on their College production) is that JB will be a slightly better offensive weapon with almost as good a defense as DH when all is said and done...

BTW - DH is not noticeably better than LMA on offense as well - they had the exact same offensive win-score last year - and Portland's offense was not built around LMA's game to the tune NJN built their offense around Harris.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ha! Good one. The same organization that bent over, grabbed their ankles and handed the Lakers a championship is talking tough.

Yeah, right. Pau cried like a baby. So, they rewarded him by giving him away to a contender.

Now, they are threatening to "get tough" with Rubio. What are they going to do - draft him and give him to the Cavs or Lakers for a futurer 2nd round pick. Ooohhh, I bet Ricky is shaking in his shoes over this new found toughness in Memphis.

BNM

 

[LittleAlex]

Ha! Good one. The same organization that bent over, grabbed their ankles and handed the Lakers a championship is talking tough.

Yeah, right. Pau cried like a baby. So, they rewarded him by giving him away to a contender.

Now, they are threatening to "get tough" with Rubio. What are they going to do - draft him and give him to the Cavs or Lakers for a futurer 2nd round pick. Ooohhh, I bet Ricky is shaking in his shoes over this new found toughness in Memphis.

BNM

That is true. Why would Ricky not want to go to Memphis when it is a clear path to a contender in two years? He should look at the big picture. After all, I am sure Memphis could swing a deal to bring in even more valuable cap space. Maybe involving Adam Morrison and Josh Powell.

 

[BrianFromWA]

rubio could be the whole steve francis thing all over again.

yeah, go ahead and pick a guy who's said he doesn't want to get drafted by you and see how that turns out.

Especially when he won't be a pariah like Francis and can just say "Sorry guys, I couldn't get out from under my 8M buyout and physically can't afford to come over to MEM. Really. I wish I could. Really."

 

[MrJayremmie]

I wouldn't trade LMA for Harris. But I'd trade ANYONE outside of Roy, Aldridge and Oden.

Bayless, Rudy, Przybilla, Outlaw/Webster, #24, cash, future 1st, and the mid-late 1st rounder we get with our TE for Harris and a contract?

 

[Wheels]

I wouldn't trade LMA for Harris. But I'd trade ANYONE outside of Roy, Aldridge and Oden.

Bayless, Rudy, Przybilla, Outlaw/Webster, #24, cash, future 1st, and the mid-late 1st rounder we get with our TE for Harris and a contract?

wow.. our team is now 6 deep lol.

 

[Boob-No-More]

That is true. Why would Ricky not want to go to Memphis when it is a clear path to a contender in two years? He should look at the big picture. After all, I am sure Memphis could swing a deal to bring in even more valuable cap space. Maybe involving Adam Morrison and Josh Powell.

I find it ironic that one of the supposed reasons Rubio doesn't want to go to Memphis is the way they treated Pau. Evidently, in Spain, giving someone a max contract and then, when that's not enough, handing them over to a championship contender, is consider disrespectful, abusive and to be avoided at all costs.

Oh well, I hate Memphis. So, I'm glad Rubio is shunning them, whatever the reasons.

BNM

 

[MrJayremmie]

wow.. our team is now 6 deep lol.

Hmm, how'd you get that? In that scenerio I traded 4 players for 2 players from NJ. Our team needs some consolidating anyway.

Gives us one of the best starting 5's in the league... leaves us with...

Harris, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden... with a bench of Blake and Outlaw/Webster... and of course Sergio and the contract we get back. From there we can use future 1sts and our 2nds to draft some decent backups and sign a vet or 2 (which would help us). You only go 8 deep in the playoffs anyway, normally.

For our bench, if we traded Outlaw over Webster in my initial trade, we could have a bench of Blake and Webster, draft Blair, and sign a center... gives us a really nice 9 man rotation.

Obviously a dream scenerio, but I was just thinking of a package that would get close to getting us Harris.

Speculating is fun, off-season is long.

 

[Wheels]

Hmm, how'd you get that? In that scenerio I traded 4 players for 2 players from NJ. Our team needs some consolidating anyway.

lol ok 7 with the contract. sorry forgot that part. I agree we need to consolidate.. that is a lot of dept to give up though for me.

 

[alex42083]

Well, if NJ wants the No. 2 pick.. let's do a three-way trade with us, NJ and Memphis. Give Memphis a bunch of our young guys that would somehow net us Harris. Do it, KP, do it, do it, do it til you're satisfied!!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Devin Harris had a big drop-off in his defensive production last year - I suspect all that pressure to carry the team offensively with VC had really taken a big toll on his defensive production. His defensive win-score last year was the worst he had since his first 2 years in the league.

Just for the record - LMA's defensive win-score last year was almost twice as high as Harris's - no way you trade LMA for Harris. It would be a mistake of epic proportions.

Other than that - it would be great to have him - but my opinion (based on their College production) is that JB will be a slightly better offensive weapon with almost as good a defense as DH when all is said and done...

BTW - DH is not noticeably better than LMA on offense as well - they had the exact same offensive win-score last year - and Portland's offense was not built around LMA's game to the tune NJN built their offense around Harris.

I agree that Harris seems overrated. At the beginning of the season, everybody thought he had the MIP locked up, but he faded badly (or so it appeared to me) and I remember seeing that Carter was much more valuable to the Nets, despite the fact, as you say, that they installed a whole new offensive scheme (the one Calipari used with Rose in Memphis) to showcase Harris. I'm really not sold on him at all. Of course, he would almost certainly be an upgrade on Blake, but...

However, I'm also not sold on Bayless. I think his defense is overrated (he's pesty, but not to great noticeable effect), and I know his ability to play PG is. Both of them are primarily scorers.

 

[Minstrel]

Unfortunately, I think the only player Portland has that could be of real value to Memphis (that Portland could be willing to trade) is Przybilla. But he alone would not fetch the #2 pick. Bayless, Rudy and Batum have significantly less value to Memphis because three of their four best players play the 1, 2 and 3.

It's really hard for Portland to match up with Memphis in terms of a deal.

If Portland is going to get Harris, it would probably have to be a direct deal. Przybilla, Fernandez, Bayless, Webster/Outlaw and the #24 pick for Harris and a bad contract? New Jersey could then explore trading their own pick, the #24 and Przybilla to Memphis for the #2, perhaps.

 

[hasoos]

I understood it to be more of a cost cutting move, to open up space for Lebron, at least I think I remember it being talked about like that.

Well maybe if they get Lebron we can look back and rationalize it as such. But IMO right now their chances of getting Lebron, and between "Jack" and "Diddly".

 

[Wheels]

Well maybe if they get Lebron we can look back and rationalize it as such. But IMO right now their chances of getting Lebron, and between "Jack" and "Diddly".

agreed.. I just think that I remember hearing that was their reasoning for it at the time.. or maybe not just Lebron.. but 2010 cap space.

 

[EPIC FAIL GILDERHUS]

I find it ironic that one of the supposed reasons Rubio doesn't want to go to Memphis is the way they treated Pau. Evidently, in Spain, giving someone a max contract and then, when that's not enough, handing them over to a championship contender, is consider disrespectful, abusive and to be avoided at all costs.

Oh well, I hate Memphis. So, I'm glad Rubio is shunning them, whatever the reasons.

BNM

Memphis is NBA hell, playing in a city that doesn't care about its team. They're like Clippers East. Who wants to play in front of 3k fans a night?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Memphis is NBA hell, playing in a city that doesn't care about its team.

Nobody. Mayo will be gone as soon as he can force his way out of that hell hole. He'll either demand a trade, leave to free agency, or force a sign-n-trade. Mayo prefers the spotlight and the closest they have to that in Memphis is the indoor bug zapper at the local Waffle House.

BNM

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Wow, I really think most of you are overrating Harris. To me, Bayless could easily be as good as him in a year or two, and trading Aldridge for him would be ridiculous.

 

[Wheels]

Wow, I really think most of you are overrating Harris. To me, Bayless could easily be as good as him in a year or two, and trading Aldridge for him would be ridiculous.

I like Harris.. but he is not worth Rudy, Bayless, TO/Webster #24 and Future 1st IMO.

 

[Nate4Prez]

Yahoo! has a nce video on Memphis and Rubio.

http://sports.yahoo.com/video/playe...ge/13954188;_ylt=AnXegNWRqnouxl7dfSZrt2y8vLYF

 

[Idog1976]

Mayo prefers the spotlight and the closest they have to that in Memphis is the indoor bug zapper at the local Waffle House.

BNM

Awesome simply awesome.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wow, I really think most of you are overrating Harris. To me, Bayless could easily be as good as him in a year or two, and trading Aldridge for him would be ridiculous.

Hmmm ... perhaps, but proven all-star level production (which Harris had this year) versus great potential isn't really a worthwhile comparison; it's far more likely Harris will continue to produce at a very high level than it is for Bayless to make leaps and bounds. If the cost to get Harris was giving up Bayless, picks and other bench players (Rudy, Travis and so forth) then I'd do the deal in hearbeat -- anything that doesn't require shedding Roy, Aldridge Greg and possibly Batum is worth the cost.

 

[Minstrel]

Hmmm ... perhaps, but proven all-star level production (which Harris had this year) versus great potential isn't really a worthwhile comparison; it's far more likely Harris will continue to produce at a very high level than it is for Bayless to make leaps and bounds. If the cost to get Harris was giving up Bayless, picks and other bench players (Rudy, Travis and so forth) then I'd do the deal in hearbeat -- anything that doesn't require shedding Roy, Aldridge Greg and possibly Batum is worth the cost.