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Found this bit interesting in the Weekend Dime piece on ESPN

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-101029-31/latest-carmelo-anthony-trade-watch

Q: Can the original four-team deal that involved Charlotte, Utah and New Jersey be revived?

Doesn't look like it.

Sources confirm, the Nets haven't backed off their pursuit of Anthony one bit. But recent discussions with Denver have focused more on a direct two-team deal with the Nuggets or a multi-teamer that ropes in Portland rather than anything that brings the Bobcats (who wanted Nets point guard Devin Harris) or Jazz (who would have saved significant money by swapping Andrei Kirilenko for Charlotte's Boris Diaw) back to the table.

The Nets and Knicks remain the most fervent Melo chasers. One source close to the situation maintained that the Nuggets -- if they can manage it -- continue to prefer not to send Anthony to his preferred destination in New York, should they ultimately concede that a trade is unavoidable.

Whether that's because the Nuggets don't like the idea of Spike Lee serving as the Knicks' lead recruiter or because they simply don't like what New York has to offer is not fully clear. Yet you can rest assured that the Knicks won't backing off any time soon.

The Knicks are also trying to enlist the Blazers' help to put together a package Denver won't be able to resist, since New York needs to manufacture at least one first-round pick and probably an additional asset or two to tempt the Nuggets. The Knicks simply don't have the assets to deal with Denver directly, since their most attractive pieces are Eddy Curry's expiring contract and forwards Anthony Randolph and Danilo Gallinari, who the jury is still out on.
 
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I am guessing either we throw in an asset or two for Harris, or throw in extra assets for Billups.
 
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Carmelo isn't going anywhere but the Knicks. That's the only reason why the Nets deals aren't going through. There's no way Melo wants to join a rebuild project.
 
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harris or billups. yes please
 
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A rebuild project like the Knicks? I'd take NJ over them if I were him, even though he likely won't. Would prefer to play with Lopez over Amare, personally.
 
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The Knicks were an average team last year. The Nets on the other hand, worst in the NBA. Knicks lost David Lee, but got Amare. Yes, you could argue that Lopez is probably a better supporting piece than Amare, but the Knicks are in very good position to form their own big three. If Amare and Melo join up, a PG like Chris Paul will be very tempted to join. The Nets are in pretty good position too with Favors and Lopez, but they are still a few years off from being contenders. Melo wants to win now.
 
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If he wants to win now, then it would seem silly to wait two years for Paul to join him in NY with Amare.
 
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So... the Knicks want the Blazers to give Denver Batum so that they can get Anthony.

Yeah, we'll get right on that.
 
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Maybe I'm missing where Batum is mentioned or even implied
 
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What is that 1st round pick the Knicks would have acquired to get Melo if there was a deal was NOH's and Portland swooped in and got it to make sure they were involved in any deal?

CHO-WNED!
 
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Maybe I'm missing where Batum is mentioned or even implied

Here:

Sources said that the Nuggets have registered strong interest in Blazers swingman Nicolas Batum and would naturally be unable to resist if a trade scenario emerged that enabled them to acquire Favors, Batum and future draft considerations.
 
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So... the Knicks want the Blazers to give Denver Batum so that they can get Anthony.

Yeah, we'll get right on that.
I don't think they are looking (at least legitimately) at the Blazers giving up Batum. I think the Knicks want a three team deal that looks somthing like this

To Denver
PDX first rounder
PDX protected first rounder from Bayless trade
Eddie Curry (expiring)
Chandler
Gallinari
Joel Przybilla
Miller

To Knicks
Anthony

To Blazers
Bullups
Randolph

Works on trade machine
 
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To Denver
PDX first rounder
PDX protected first rounder from Bayless trade
Eddie Curry (expiring)
Chandler
Gallinari
Joel Przybilla
Miller

To Knicks
Anthony

To Blazers
Bullups
Randolph

Works on trade machine

Don't like it. Love Billups, but he's even older than Miller and may be past his sell-by date. And I hate Randolph - he's all sizzle, no steak and rumored to be uncoachable. Plus he looks just like Tony "The Candyman" Todd. No, we can wait...
 
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Don't like it. Love Billups, but he's even older than Miller and may be past his sell-by date. And I hate Randolph - he's all sizzle, no steak and rumored to be uncoachable. Plus he looks just like Tony "The Candyman" Todd. No, we can wait...

I am not sure. I don't love it, but that was the trade that I think is being discussed based on putting together the tidbits from all the leaks. I like the idea of getting Billups, for Miller and something, but I think both firsts makes it too much for a bandaid. One possible change is Gallinari to PDX and Randloph to Denver, but I don't know if denver would do that.
 
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I don't think Devin Harris would be available, based on this:

But recent discussions with Denver have focused more on a direct two-team deal with the Nuggets or a multi-teamer that ropes in Portland rather than anything that brings the Bobcats (who wanted Nets point guard Devin Harris)

The way I read this (though it is just interpretation) is that the Nets don't want to involve the Bobcats because the Bobcats want Harris. Which suggests that the Nets don't want to give up Harris.
 
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I bet this is old news. There was an article that came out a few weeks ago saying Portland tried to get in the NJ/DEN deal by bringing in the Hornets that would net us CP3. I think we set the bar with what we'd want to give up Batum. Harris wont cut it. Neither will any Knick player.
 
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On paper a Roy/Paul backcourt looks fantastic but I'm curious how it would actually play out on the court. Paul is a PG that controls the ball and pushes the tempo and that's two things Roy doesn't like right there.
 
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I'm sort of intrigued by Mo Williams, despite myself. Especially if we can get Varejao as well (I know, broken record). But I think they're more interested in proving they can be respectable post-Lebron than rebuilding right now. But if they'd do a Miller/Joel for Mo/Varejao trade, now THAT I'd be intrigued by.

But that said, Miller is a much better ball-player than Williams. He just doesn't work that well with Roy. But he might be better for everybody else on the roster than Williams.
 
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On paper a Roy/Paul backcourt looks fantastic but I'm curious how it would actually play out on the court. Paul is a PG that controls the ball and pushes the tempo and that's two things Roy doesn't like right there.

Paul doesn't really push the tempo that much at all. Last year the Hornets were 15th in pace but Paul missed half the season and Jeff Bower took over for Byron Scott, the two years before that when Paul played 78 and 80 games they were 28th and 26th in pace respectively so under coach Scott Paul was almost as slow paced as us.
 
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Paul doesn't really push the tempo that much at all. Last year the Hornets were 15th in pace but Paul missed half the season and Jeff Bower took over for Byron Scott, the two years before that when Paul played 78 and 80 games they were 28th and 26th in pace respectively so under coach Scott Paul was almost as slow paced as us.

Yeah, I don't know where this fallacy got started, but it's always amusing, as people envision Paul as this uptempo guard that would clash horribly with Nate, as opposed to realizing he is a half court, pick and roll guard that would probably work awfully well. Who knows how he would work with Brandon. In before the all star game mention.
 
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Paul doesn't really push the tempo that much at all. Last year the Hornets were 15th in pace but Paul missed half the season and Jeff Bower took over for Byron Scott, the two years before that when Paul played 78 and 80 games they were 28th and 26th in pace respectively so under coach Scott Paul was almost as slow paced as us.

All pace factor indicates is pretty much how early you get your shot off in the shot clock since it basically measures how many possessions you average per game. You can push the ball and still pull back and run the clock. Not a coincidence why some bad teams lead the league in pace factor every year. Last year 7/10 in the top 10 in pace didn't make the playoffs. Also have to realize the Hornets haven't had the best finishers on the break. That said, Paul hasn't been the ultimate push the ball PG although if you gave him different pieces I think that would change.

I could just see Roy being left out though. Paul is indeed a PnR PG and he could turn Aldridge and Oden into all-stars. If Roy was a better off the ball player it might be different, but he just isn't.

I just know Miller isn't the right guy. He's still really good and that's why everything still works but in the playoffs I'm just not sure.
 
Nuggets want Batum

Nuggets Want Batum

Not surprising. Is there anything we want that would work? Personally, after the way he started I can't see it.

Carmello wants to end up a Net. Harris is likely the only one moving. I don't want Harris alone for Batum. Harris to N.O. and Paul to Portland? That would only save N.O. some money and not really any long term.
 
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You want who, Denver?

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I just don't like much that NY has, and if the Nets aren't interested in trading Harris, that pretty much crosses them off too.
 
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I just don't like much that NY has, and if the Nets aren't interested in trading Harris, that pretty much crosses them off too.

I agree. Looking at their roster and I'm just not impressed. Their 'best' young prospect is Gallinari and his skill set is rather limited outside his three-point shot. Kind of like a young Hedo Turkoglu without the passing skills.
 
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Oops, didn't see the Carmello trades thread.

Merge please.
 
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If we can get CP3, fine, but otherwise..... no.
 

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