Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

[riverman]

I do not want Eric Gordon. It's a successful year for him if he plays more than 60 games. He's too injury prone and has too much of an injury history to be relied upon in the playoffs.

I don't think he's the guy...a lot will depend upon where Kyrie Irving goes...there will be guards available who could contribute more than Crabbe has contributed....AC plays the way he talks....very quietly...we need wing defenders and ball handlers that can make a 3....maybe Ariza is the target

 

[blue9]

Neither

Obviously. I'm just trying to figure out ways of NOT getting Anderson!

 

[GrandJury]

I've not seen him as a starting SG for 20+ games in a row. I'll reserve my judgment until then.

He's certainly good enough to start, even if for BKN. He's wanted by other teams, at least BKN.

We lost a 30 MPG player who was one of the elite 3pt shooters in the NBA last season. There's no way this can be seen as a win for us on the court.

Totally agree. He was the 3rd best 3point shooter in the league. I'll miss him

 

[illmatic99]

He played more minutes last season than Crabbe did.p

As far as relying on someone in the playoffs, did you forget Crabbe's 5.5 ppg on .231 3FH%, PER = 3.7 performance against GSW?

Not saying Gordon is THE answer, but hes way, way better than Crabbe will ever be. In addition to scoring, he can also handle the ball, create for himself and create for others.

BNM

Dude are you arguing that Gordon is not injury prone (because that is all I said)? By cherry picking one of the two seasons in his career that he played over 70 games? I didn't even mention Crabbe, but you feel the need to rant about him every chance you get.

Games Gordon has played: 78, 62, 56, 9 ( out of 65), 42, 64, 61, 45, 75

 

[Reep]

I've not seen him as a starting SG for 20+ games in a row. I'll reserve my judgment until then.

He's certainly good enough to start, even if for BKN. He's wanted by other teams, at least BKN.

We lost a 30 MPG player who was one of the elite 3pt shooters in the NBA last season. There's no way this can be seen as a win for us on the court.

Completely agree, but wonder if part of this was to free up from for more than Nurk. Crabbe is a valuable player, but not necessarily a needle mover in the playoffs. To this point I assumed that Vonleh would be let go because they wouldn't want to pay him. Maybe they are clearing up space (after Nurk) to be able to sign Vonleh--assuming they think Vonleh could be better down the road than Crabbe was.

 

[andalusian]

I am willing to bet matching last year was pa unwilling to let go of an asset for nothing after the lma debacle, I would guess that a year work Crabbe persuaded him or was not worth it

 

[Pinwheel1]

This is completely opposite of what I'm thinking. We just gave up a double digit bench scorer for nothing except $. Goes against what Neil said all of last year about retaining assets.

I don't think it does. The way I see it was Neil matched the offer last year in an attempt to create an extra asset in case we were able to be in a situation where a star was shopped (i.e Paul George) and we needed a large salary to help match without giving up CJ or Dame. Well It didn't work , so he dumped the contract........ just like I said he could if needed. (without giving up a 1st round draft pick) Was it wise? who knows but at least he tried.

 

[riverman]

This move also opens up more minutes for Shabazz Napier which I think is a good move....Swanigan will get some SF burn as well....also says Turner is our starter more than likely which I'm fine with

 

[blue9]

IF this is a precursor to helping HOU get Melo, then it should be done in this manner:

PDX uses TPE and takes on Gordon
HOU trades two of Black/Ariza/Tucker + picks to NYK
NYK sends Melo to HOU

I used Meyers/Vonleh as a stand-in for the TPE:

 

[riverman]

I don't think it does. The way I see it was Neil matched the offer last year in an attempt to create an extra asset in case we were able to be in a situation where a star was shopped (i.e Paul George) and we needed a large salary to help match without giving up CJ or Dame. Well It didn't work , so he dumped the contract........ just like I said he could if needed. (without giving up a 1st round draft pick) Was it wise? who knows but at least he tried.

I think everyone thought Crabbe and Leonard would make a leap last season and they just didn't....Crabbe shot a high percentage but wasn't a game changer for the most part and Leonard regressed.....this is just what went down..it's no longer such a revelation. Exit interviews were not kind to either of these guys.

 

[Strenuus]

IF this is a precursor to helping HOU get Melo, then it should be done in this manner:

PDX uses TPE and takes on Gordon
HOU trades two of Black/Ariza/Tucker + picks to NYK
NYK sends Melo to HOU

I used Meyers/Vonleh as a stand-in for the TPE:
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Knicks want harkless. they'd say no.

 

[Reep]

This move also opens up more minutes for Shabazz Napier which I think is a good move....Swanigan will get some SF burn as well....also says Turner is our starter more than likely which I'm fine with

And potentially for Layman down the road. From the summer league interviews I think they believe Layman will find his shot in games and can be a much better defender than Crabbe was.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now if we can trade Meyers and Turner for Lebron.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think it does. The way I see it was Neil matched the offer last year in an attempt to create an extra asset in case we were able to be in a situation where a star was shopped (i.e Paul George) and we needed a large salary to help match without giving up CJ or Dame. Well It didn't work , so he dumped the contract........ just like I said he could if needed. (without giving up a 1st round draft pick) Was it wise? who knows but at least he tried.

Unfortunately, we can't combine that TPE with our existing contracts in a trade, and our pick of the litter at $13 mil and under isn't anywhere close to netting us a disgruntled star level player.

 

[dviss1]

Disagree!

You haven't seen him do much else.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dude are you arguing that Gordon is not injury prone (because that is all I said)? By cherry picking one of the two seasons in his career that he played over 70 games? I didn't even mention Crabbe, but you feel the need to rant about him every chance you get.

Games Gordon has played: 78, 62, 56, 9 ( out of 65), 42, 64, 61, 45, 75

Calm down. Crabbe is the subject of this thread. Talking about him in this thread is both fair and expected. If we do get Gordon, it will be to replace Crabbe's minutes and his role.

And yes, Gordon is better. It's not just my Crabbe "hatred" that says so. Gordon won Sixth Man of the Year. Crabbe didn't get a single vote.

Gordon was healthy last season and is healthy now. Why would't I mention his most recent performance. It is the most relevant. It's not like I went back three or four years to find a season when he played well.

BNM

 

[3RA1N1AC]

in a vacuum, i think this sucks. we basically gave away a rotation player in order to cut a guy owed 20 MM.

If we use the TPE for something, cool. if not, this is worse than just giving him away for nothing. we should have at least got a 2nd or something.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Unfortunately, we can't combine that TPE with our existing contracts in a trade, and our pick of the litter at $13 mil and under isn't anywhere close to netting us a disgruntled star level player.

Did I sound like I was suggesting that we could use the TPE? I am just saying that Crabbe and 3 draft picks could have been an attractive package for Paul George. (or someone else like that) It was worth a shot.

 

[Boob-No-More]

IF this is a precursor to helping HOU get Melo, then it should be done in this manner:

PDX uses TPE and takes on Gordon
HOU trades two of Black/Ariza/Tucker + picks to NYK
NYK sends Melo to HOU

I used Meyers/Vonleh as a stand-in for the TPE:
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Not happening. I don't believe Tarik Black can be traded until 12/15. They just signed him as a free agent. NYK doesn't want 32- year old Trevor Ariza. They want 24-year old Mo Harkless.

BNM

 

[riverman]

in a vacuum, i think this sucks. we basically gave away a rotation player in order to cut a guy owed 20 MM.

If we use the TPE for something, cool. if not, this is worse than just giving him away for nothing. we should have at least got a 2nd or something.

This move seems to me to be leading up to another move....we got cap relief and a roster spot and hopefully replace Crabbe with a 2 way player

 

[chzbrgr]

Dude are you arguing that Gordon is not injury prone (because that is all I said)? By cherry picking one of the two seasons in his career that he played over 70 games? I didn't even mention Crabbe, but you feel the need to rant about him every chance you get.

Games Gordon has played: 78, 62, 56, 9 ( out of 65), 42, 64, 61, 45, 75

I think his point was under the assumption that he's healthy. If Gordon is, he can take all of Crabbe's minutes and do a lot more with them. Everyone knows Gordon is injury prone it's undeniable, but you know what else is undeniable? Gordon is a better player in almost every aspect. He's just simply a better player injuries or not.

 

[blue9]

Knicks want harkless. they'd say no.

But what if they can't GET Harkless? Are they going to hold onto Melo and not get anything in return? Seems like getting two HOU draft picks is better than nothing. Neither NYK nor HOU are in the driver's seat on this.

But fine, assuming we give up Harkless, then it should look like this (with Meyers/Vonleh still standing in for the TPE):

 

[illmatic99]

I think his point was under the assumption that he's healthy. If Gordon is, he can take all of Crabbe's minutes and do a lot more with them. Everyone knows Gordon is injury prone it's undeniable, but you know what else is undeniable? Gordon is a better player in almost every aspect. He's just simply a better player injuries or not.

If Gordon was not injury prone, he wouldn't be getting paid just 13 mil/yr. But it still is a huge factor

 

[Minstrel]

But what if they can't GET Harkless? Are they going to hold onto Melo and not get anything in return?

If the offers are also nothing? Why not hold onto him and let him walk? That clears cap space even more effectively.

 

[Strenuus]

But what if they can't GET Harkless? Are they going to hold onto Melo and not get anything in return? Seems like getting two HOU draft picks is better than nothing. Neither NYK nor HOU are in the driver's seat on this.

But fine, assuming we give up Harkless, then it should look like this (with Meyers/Vonleh still standing in for the TPE):
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If Harkless is the hang up for them moving Melo, it's not MY issue. I'm not helping Houston for no reason. They and New York can go fuck themselves.

 

[blue9]

If the offers are also nothing? Why not hold onto him and let him walk? That clears cap space even more effectively.

Because draft picks.

 

[Boob-No-More]

But what if they can't GET Harkless? Are they going to hold onto Melo and not get anything in return? Seems like getting two HOU draft picks is better than nothing. Neither NYK nor HOU are in the driver's seat on this.

But fine, assuming we give up Harkless, then it should look like this (with Meyers/Vonleh still standing in for the TPE):

Did you miss the part where the TPE can't be part of a package deal?

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

This move seems to me to be leading up to another move....we got cap relief and a roster spot and hopefully replace Crabbe with a 2 way player

or, think of it as part of a previous deal:

Nurkic + 1st + Nicholson contract for Crabbe + Plums

Seems more than fine to me. Stretch Nicholson, use Crabbe contract to pay Nurk.

Of course, I wish we got another 2nd rounder, but it is what it is.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Did you miss the part where the TPE can't be part of a package deal?

BNM

Except that it can if the usage of the TPE and the TPE-exclusive portions of the deal can each stand alone.

 

[blue9]

If Harkless is the hang up for them moving Melo, it's not MY issue. I'm not helping Houston for no reason. They and New York can go fuck themselves.

Exactly! We don't have to give NYK Harkless just because they want him. They can either take a shit sandwich with a couple HOU picks attached, or they can hold their dicks for a year and watch the Melo circus unfold. They aren't in ANY position to demand Harkless.