Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

[Minstrel]

This team is GARBAGE.

If Crabbe is their best player, and teams gameplan for him, how do you expect him to score when his team does not create space and wide open shots?

Lin is probably their best player. But no one on that team can command a double-team so Crabbe will get a lot of kick-outs which he'll turn into passes to other players when he finds a defender in his face.

 

[Minstrel]

He was playing a role on the Blazers. Now he is going to be a starter and doesn't have to worry about stepping on anyone's toes and can do his own thing.

"His own thing" is letting better players draw defenses and get him open shots. It's not something that allows him to step on other people's toes, even if he wanted to. If he had the ability to take over offensively, he'd have shown it in reserve-heavy lineups that desperately needed more scoring.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Sorry, hard to tell. There are posters in this thread that think Crabbe is going to average 20/6/4 and be an all star in the East this season - and they're serious.

BNM

Yeah, I get ya. AC will do ok in the East. I really can not see how he have an easier time on a team where he will garner far more attention than his time in PDX. Where he may have an advantage is in the lack of talent

 

[dviss1]

"His own thing" is letting better players draw defenses and get him open shots. It's not something that allows him to step on other people's toes, even if he wanted to. If he had the ability to take over offensively, he'd have shown it in reserve-heavy lineups that desperately needed more scoring.

Why aren't people getting this? His skillset sucks for that team.

 

[chzbrgr]

According to the article they plan to start him at SF. So, I guess that means they plan to start DeMarre Carroll at PF.

That is going to be one undersized, weak rebounding starting unit. I guess they bought into the whole small ball thing. Unfortunately, for it to work you need to be able to rebound the ball. Carroll, who is at best and average rebounder for a SF will now ask to play up one position as a PF and Crabbe who is a very weak rebounding SG will now be starting at SF.

BNM

Well sucks for BKN cause that lineup is trash

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is how weak BRK's rebounding will be for their proposed starting line up:

Center: Mosgove 2016-17 TRB% = 13.3
Power Forward: Carroll 2016-17 TRB% = 8.3
Small Forward: Crabbe 2016-17 TRB% = 5.6
Shooting Guard: Russell 2016-17 TRB% = 6.7
Point Guard: Lin 2016-17 TRB% = 8.1
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 42.0

Compare that to our starting line up:

Center: Nurkic 2016-17 TRB% = 19.7
Power Forward: Vonleh 2016-17 TRB% = 17.0
Small Forward: Harkless 2016-17 TRB% = 8.5
Shooting Guard: McCollum 2016-17 TRB% = 5.7
Point Guard: Lillard 2016-17 TRB% = 7.6
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 58.5

Obviously, some of their guys will need to step up but they are asking guys who are historically weak rebounders to play up one position, and that does not bode well for their team rebounding.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

This is how weak BRK's rebounding will be for their proposed starting line up:

Center: Mosgove 2016-17 TRB% = 13.3
Power Forward: Carroll 2016-17 TRB% = 8.3
Small Forward: Crabbe 2016-17 TRB% = 5.6
Shooting Guard: Russell 2016-17 TRB% = 6.7
Point Guard: Lin 2016-17 TRB% = 8.1
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 42.0

Compare that to our starting line up:

Center: Nurkic 2016-17 TRB% = 19.7
Power Forward: Vonleh 2016-17 TRB% = 17.0
Small Forward: Harkless 2016-17 TRB% = 8.5
Shooting Guard: McCollum 2016-17 TRB% = 5.7
Point Guard: Lillard 2016-17 TRB% = 7.6
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 58.5

Obviously, some of their guys will need to step up but they are asking guys who are historically weak rebounders to play up one position, and that does not bode well for their team rebounding.

Lin is basically their only good rebounder for his position. I had no idea that Mozgov was such a weak rebounder.

 

[Reep]

This is how weak BRK's rebounding will be for their proposed starting line up:

Center: Mosgove 2016-17 TRB% = 13.3
Power Forward: Carroll 2016-17 TRB% = 8.3
Small Forward: Crabbe 2016-17 TRB% = 5.6
Shooting Guard: Russell 2016-17 TRB% = 6.7
Point Guard: Lin 2016-17 TRB% = 8.1
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 42.0

Compare that to our starting line up:

Center: Nurkic 2016-17 TRB% = 19.7
Power Forward: Vonleh 2016-17 TRB% = 17.0
Small Forward: Harkless 2016-17 TRB% = 8.5
Shooting Guard: McCollum 2016-17 TRB% = 5.7
Point Guard: Lillard 2016-17 TRB% = 7.6
Total 2016-16 TRB% = 58.5

Obviously, some of their guys will need to step up but they are asking guys who are historically weak rebounders to play up one position, and that does not bode well for their team rebounding.

BNM

I would like to see the same analysis of the defensive metrics. I think Crabbe will get 20 pts/game, but probably 1asst and 4reb and a defensive rating of 115.

 

[chzbrgr]

I would like to see the same analysis of the defensive metrics. I think Crabbe will get 20 pts/game, but probably 1asst and 4reb and a defensive rating of 115.

This isnt just to you reep but to all the posters who think AC is going to markedly improve on a roster with less talent. I dont mean to be an asshole, seriously asking what makes people think that AC will score 20ppg? Personally, I did not see one single thing in his entire time here that made me say: "you know what, AC gets buckets" . Kid can shoot it pretty well when he's open I'll give him credit for that, but if you can't create chances to score for yourself, how in the hell are you gunna get up enough shots to score 20ppg? I dont get what you guys are seeing. He was assisted on something like 95% of his shots here, showed no ability to finish around the rim or break people down off the dribble. What makes you think he is somehow going to get more looks now when he cant manufacture them for himself, and the guys around him cant or wont put him in positions to get the same ones he got here?

 

[Reep]

This isnt just to you reep but to all the posters who think AC is going to markedly improve on a roster with less talent. I dont mean to be an asshole, seriously asking what makes people think that AC will score 20ppg? Personally, I did not see one single thing in his entire time here that made me say: "you know what, AC gets buckets" . Kid can shoot it pretty well when he's open I'll give him credit for that, but if you can't create chances to score for yourself, how in the hell are you gunna get up enough shots to score 20ppg? I dont get what you guys are seeing. He was assisted on something like 95% of his shots here, showed no ability to finish around the rim or break people down off the dribble. What makes you think he is somehow going to get more looks now when he cant manufacture them for himself, and the guys around him cant or wont put him in positions to get the same ones he got here?

I think he will score more because he will be a starter, get more minutes, and be expected to be one of the primary scorers on the team. I also think his eFG% will go way down and he will contribute nothing else and the team will suck.

 

[Scalma]

Shouldn't be too hard.

Crabbe was not the 3rd "best" shooter in the league last season and he sure as hell wasn't the 3rd best scorer in the league.

He was 2nd in 3FG%, but ranked tied with Brook Lopez for 46th in made 3-pointers. He shot a high percentage, but on fewer attempts than most other players in the top 50 in made 3-pointers. There were 17 players that made more 3-pointers than Crabbe and also shot >.400 3FG%. Many of those players made 2x more 3FGs than Crabbe did. Even Ryan Anderson, who nobody wants, made way more 3FGs than Crabbe (204 vs. 134) and shot .408 3FG%.

And that's the one thing Crabbe does well. There are other ways to score than making wide open 3-pointers. Of the players who played at least 24 MPG, Crabbe ranked 100th is scoring. He doesn't drive to the basket and he doesn't get to the FT line. By my count that makes him the 100th best scorer in the league, not the 3rd best.

In terms of overall production, Crabbe does very little other than knock down wide open 3-pointers. Of the top 50 players in made 3-pointers, Crabbe was 47th in PER. For the last two years, he's been one of the worst rebounders in the league for his size. His AST% of 6.1 is pathetic for a guard. Meyers Leonard is better at creating opportunities for his teammates than Allen Crabbe (2016-17 AST: Allen Crabbe 6.1, Meyers Leonard 8.4; 2015-16 Allen Crabbe 7.2, Meyers Leonard 10.6).

Crabbe's lack of a decent handle makes it difficult for him to create shots for himself. He was assisted on 77.5% of his 2FGs and 97% of his 3FGs. That means Crabbe only created 38 2FG and 4 3FG for himself all season, basically 0.5 FG/G that were not created by others.

Yes, he can make open 3-pointers, but he can't create for himself, or others, is a terrible rebounder, a pathetic passer and a weak defender. His raw numbers will go up as a starter with an increased role on a bad team, but he is who he is. It's not like he's suddenly going to develop a C.J. like handle or become a lock down defender or a rebounding stud. Without Dame and C.J. next to him, defenses will focus more on stopping Crabbe (i.e. not leaving him open at the 3-point line) and force him to put the ball on the floor. They will take away his one strength and exploit his many weaknesses.

Some here are predicting Crabbe will break out and become an all star in the weak Eastern Conference. I don't think he has a chance in hell. The East may be weak, but it's not that weak.

BNM

Seek therapy.

 

[Minstrel]

I think he will score more because he will be a starter, get more minutes, and be expected to be one of the primary scorers on the team. I also think his eFG% will go way down and he will contribute nothing else and the team will suck.

I think he'll score more due to more minutes, but he averages about 14 points per-36. I can maybe talk myself into believing that being a starter will give him confidence to hoist a couple more shots per game that he didn't in Portland, but I'd be surprised to see him bridge that ~6 point gap.

It'll be interesting to see, anyway.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Seek therapy.

Attack the post, not the poster.

BNM

 

[Minstrel]

Attack the post, not the poster.

BNM

Your post should seek therapy.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Your post should seek therapy.

Everything I said in my post was true and easily verifiable, but Crabbe fanbois can't handle the truth:

BNM

 

[Reep]

I think he'll score more due to more minutes, but he averages about 14 points per-36. I can maybe talk myself into believing that being a starter will give him confidence to hoist a couple more shots per game that he didn't in Portland, but I'd be surprised to see him bridge that ~6 point gap.

It'll be interesting to see, anyway.

I think this is a good point. A couple more shots is reasonable, but also more turnovers and a lower % are also likely.

 

[Reep]

Your post should seek therapy.

I thought that was the point of this board . . . therapy. So, all he was saying was "you should continue reading and posting on this board."

 

[Natebishop3]

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[HailBlazers]

According to the article they plan to start him at SF. So, I guess that means they plan to start DeMarre Carroll at PF.

That is going to be one undersized, weak rebounding starting unit. I guess they bought into the whole small ball thing. Unfortunately, for it to work you need to be able to rebound the ball. Carroll, who is at best and average rebounder for a SF will now ask to play up one position as a PF and Crabbe who is a very weak rebounding SG will now be starting at SF.

BNM

Or RHJ.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Or RHJ.

Better rebouder than Carroll, but at 6'7" can he really defend power forwards. I know defense is his strength, but that's based on guarding perimeter players.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

Copy the image address. You want the GIF.

Then use the "photo" option on the bar above the text body. Paste in the address and VOILA!

I have issues finding the GIF. I know the rest. So how did you find the GIF for the one above?

 

[HailBlazers]

Better rebouder than Carroll, but at 6'7" can he really defend power forwards. I know defense is his strength, but that's based on guarding perimeter players.

BNM

Today's power forwards are mostly stretch fours it seems.

 

[chzbrgr]

I think he will score more because he will be a starter, get more minutes, and be expected to be one of the primary scorers on the team. I also think his eFG% will go way down and he will contribute nothing else and the team will suck.

He has started here some and played starter minutes ~30mpg but still same ol 10/2/1. You really expect an extra 5-6 minutes of playing time to double his production? This seems crazy to me.

 

[Dougnsalem]

I have issues finding the GIF. I know the rest. So how did you find the GIF for the one above?

Go back to the Yarn site again and look right under the video. There is a "gif" button. I do it a little different from NateB3. I click and hold on the video/gif, and download it. Then I use the "upload file" in our reply area. Its always in my "recent files", and I have a copy saved for myself to use again later if I want.

BTW- at least SOMETHING good is coming out of this thread..... Lol

 

[Sinobas]

You all make great points, but he was the third-best shooter in the NBA. In this day and age, with shooting so predominant, that arguably makes him the third-best scorer in the NBA.

And since offense is more important than defense on an individual level, that arguably makes him the third-best player in the NBA.

I don't know, guys, talk me down from this ledge.

? Your comment about 3rd best shooter = 3rd best scorer doesn't make any sense at all. He wasn't even the 3rd best scorer on our team.

The NBA has quite a few one trick-pony players that shoot the 3 around 40% right now. Kover, Novak, Morrow, Babbitt, Rush, Ingles....Allen Crabbe is in that catagory of player, and they probably make less than Crabbe combined.

 

[riverman]

Attack the post, not the poster.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

? Your comment about 3rd best shooter = 3rd best scorer doesn't make any sense at all. He wasn't even the 3rd best scorer on our team.

The NBA has quite a few one trick-pony players that shoot the 3 around 40% right now. Kover, Novak, Morrow, Babbitt, Rush, Ingles....Allen Crabbe is in that catagory of player, and they probably make less than Crabbe combined.

He was joking dude...

 

[dviss1]

Go back to the Yarn site again and look right under the video. There is a "gif" button. I do it a little different from NateB3. I click and hold on the video/gif, and download it. Then I use the "upload file" in our reply area. Its always in my "recent files", and I have a copy saved for myself to use again later if I want.

BTW- at least SOMETHING good is coming out of this thread..... Lol

I'm trying to avoid downloading when I post from work. If i could find a way to locate the .gif link that would work.

 

[Natebishop3]

I have issues finding the GIF. I know the rest. So how did you find the GIF for the one above?

There was actually a button below it, next to "embed" that said "Gif" and it converted it to a GIF.

 

[dviss1]

There was actually a button below it, next to "embed" that said "Gif" and it converted it to a GIF.

Thanks. How would you do that here?