Merged: Crabbe Traded to Brk

[riverman]

You don't know EVERYTHING

that can provide true bliss sometimes

 

[Minstrel]

You what annoys me more than anything else? When people just KNOW what a person is, what they will always be and there is NO chance of improvement or showing an ability that may not have shown yet. We are all first and foremost human beings and ALL humans are capable of bettering themselves.

*I am on my phone and can't italicize for emphasis, hence all caps.

He's capable of improving. It's just that his lack of improvement through what should be his greatest growth years portends little remaining improvement as he approaches his athletic peak years. Could he be one of the late-bloomers who deviates significantly from usual athletic progression? Definitely. It's just not likely. Unlikely is not impossible, though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There is something out there that you can do to better yourself if you want to. You don't know EVERYTHING.

That means you too @SlyPokerDog.

I have no idea why I'm being drug into whatever this is, lol.

But since I have...

I have a very large penis. This gives me create confidence. That means I can admit when I'm wrong, or say sorry if I've upset or offended someone. Don't need to insult someone to try and win an argument. I can always be the bigger man, the bigger dog, because I have the bigger penis.

 

[Boob-No-More]

As weak as the East is, they still have enough decent players between the 15 teams to field a decent all star team. It's not like they're going to be pulling in people off the streets to play in the all star game (although it might improve the defense of they did).

Assuming BRK does play Crabbe at SF, as they apparently intend to do, he already has several incumbent all stars ahead of him, as well as several up and comers who are both better and younger.

Typically 5 or 6 forwards (combination of power forwards and small forwards) make each all star team. Even if you assume their will be six forwards selected for the East squad, CLE (LeBron and Love), MIL (Giannis and Parker - 3 if you count Middleton) and NKY (Melo and Porzingis) all have at least two forwards better than Crabbe. That's six forwards right there that are currently better than Crabbe. And, even though the East lost all star forwards Millsap and Paul George, they gained Gordon Hayward. So, that's seven forwards currently better than Crabbe and that's only 4 of the 15 teams.

Sure, Melo and LeBron may move West, and they will keep getting older and eventually retire, but there are also other players younger and more talented than Crabbe that will move up to replace them. PHI has Saric and Covington that are both younger and better than Crabbe, and they are adding Ben Simmons this year. WAS has Otto Porter who shoots the 3 as well as Crabbe, but does other things better, and again is younger than Crabbe.

Not counting rookies, there are currently 24 forwards in the Eastern conference that averaged more points per game than Crabbe did last season. Even with an expanded role, I don't see him leap frogging enough of them to be considered one of the top 6 forwards in the conference. And that doesn't include rookies like Simmons, Tatum, Isaac, Adebayo, John Collins, etc, who may not be better than Crabbe is now, but will likely overtake him a year or two from now.

Not hating on Crabbe, just trying to be realistic. Even in a conference as depleted as the East, it's tough to be one of the six best forwards in the conference.

One additional frame of reference that most Blazer fans can relate to... Though technically considered a guard, Nic Batum has averaged 15/6/6 the last two seasons in the East and hasn't sniffed the all star team. Crabbe would need to top those numbers and play on a winning team to have a chance at making the all star team.

BNM

 

[riverman]

I have no idea why I'm being drug into whatever this is, lol.

But since I have...

I have a very large penis. This gives me create confidence. That means I can admit when I'm wrong, or say sorry if I've upset or offended someone. Don't need to insult someone to try and win an argument. I can always be the bigger man, the bigger dog, because I have the bigger penis.

translation....Sly is talking to his penis again

 

[Boob-No-More]

maybe he was a reserve....I couldn't confirm it either

Lin has never been an all star. Linsanity was a post all star break phenomenon. The best chance he had was his first year in HOU, but he didn't make it. He's been decent, but has bounced around between 6 teams in 7 years.

BNM

 

[santeesioux]

I have no idea why I'm being drug into whatever this is, lol.

But since I have...

I have a very large penis. This gives me create confidence. That means I can admit when I'm wrong, or say sorry if I've upset or offended someone. Don't need to insult someone to try and win an argument. I can always be the bigger man, the bigger dog, because I have the bigger penis.

You're a dog though so it can't be that big.

 

[riverman]

You're a dog though so it can't be that big.

dog's eyes magnify everything....no creature checks their junk as often as male dogs do except forum members....in Sly's case, he's both

 

[santeesioux]

dog's eyes magnify everything....no creature checks their junk as often as male dogs do except forum members....in Sly's case, he's both

He probably has huge fuckin' balls though.

 

[riverman]

He probably has huge fuckin' balls though.

or did

 

[santeesioux]

or did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuticles

 

[Nate]

He would have to do other things at an elite level to be an allstar like defense/rebounding/assisting which he simply does not do. You all watched him when has he EVER looked like an allstar?

Kyle Korver was an all star, so.... the last two years.

 

[Nate]

Lillard averaged 27 ppg last year and was not an all star. C.J. averaged 23 ppg and was not an all star.

Yeah, I get that the East is weaker than the West, but it's not THAT much weaker.

BNM

Kyle Korver disagrees.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Kyle Korver disagrees.

Korver is one of the best 3-point shooters in the history of the game. He has led the league in 3FG% four times. He made the all star team one time, in 2015 when he was named as a replacement for an injured Dwyane Wade.

At the time, Korver was leading the league in 3FG% (.528), made 3FG (160) and FT% (.920).

And here's the catch: ATL had the best record in the league and had won 36 of their last 40 games, including a 19 game winning streak.

So, all Crabbe has to do is lead the league in multiple statistical categories while playing on the best team in the league. I don't anticipate either thing happening, let alone both happening concurrently, but I guess we'll see...

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Please excuse my confusion. I said that thinking I was in the Melo thread..... Lol

Just another stoner moment

 

[Dougnsalem]

Just another stoner moment

Nah, confusion is a normal state of mind around here.... Lol

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ed-forward-andrew-nicholson-sources-told-espn

The Portland Trail Blazers have waived forward Andrew Nicholson, using the stretch provision to spread out the salary-cap hit on the remainder of his contract, league sources told ESPN.

The stretch provision saves the Blazers approximately $5.6 million in luxury tax this year.

The Blazers acquired Nicholson in a trade with the Brooklyn Nets for guard Allen Crabbe on July 25.

Nicholson, 27, signed a four-year, $26 million contract with the Washington Wizards in July 2016. Washington traded him to the Nets as part of a February deadline deal for Bojan Bogdanovic. Nicholson has averaged six points and three rebounds per game in his five NBA seasons.

Orlando selected Nicholson with the 19th overall pick in the 2012 NBA draft, and he spent his first four seasons with the Magic. He played his college ball at St. Bonaventure, where he led the Bonnies to an Atlantic 10 championship and the NCAA tournament in 2012.

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ed-forward-andrew-nicholson-sources-told-espn

Making room for Carmelo!

 

[Denny Crane]

Saving on the LT bill, getting closer to under it.

 

[Denny Crane]

The Blazers owe him $19.9M over 3 years, but stretching him means they only have to pay him $2.84M annually, reducing the payroll to right around $3M over the LT.

Connaughton's deal can be declined soon, right? That's another $1.47M off the payroll.

As it stands right now, the Blazers' tax bill is $10M, which is not too shabby if, if, if, you're going to pay tax.

If the Blazers want to max out their payroll spending, they have the $5.2M MLE, a small TPE for Quarterman, and the $13M TPE for Crabbe.

 

[Scalma]

We should be using the TPE to upgrade the roster. I didn't think the summer where we lost 4 starters could be topped but Olshey managed to do it this year. What a shit offseason. Did the bare minimum. Even the trade up in the draft was a low risk move since it saved the team money.

 

[SIeepwalker]

We should be using the TPE to upgrade the roster. I didn't think the summer where we lost 4 starters could be topped but Olshey managed to do it this year. What a shit offseason. Did the bare minimum. Even the trade up in the draft was a low risk move since it saved the team money.

So this offseason was worst than if we lost CJ, Nurk, Hark and Vonleh. Makes sense

 

[Scalma]

So this offseason was worst than if we lost CJ, Nurk, Hark and Vonleh. Makes sense

Comprehension might not be your thing.

When we "lost" four starters at least the plan was there to see. Rebuilding around Lillard. This offseason was pointless. No plan. Just got worse. Only one happy is Allens accountant.

 

[Sinobas]

The Blazers owe him $19.9M over 3 years, but stretching him means they only have to pay him $2.84M annually, reducing the payroll to right around $3M over the LT.

Connaughton's deal can be declined soon, right? That's another $1.47M off the payroll.

As it stands right now, the Blazers' tax bill is $10M, which is not too shabby if, if, if, you're going to pay tax.

If the Blazers want to max out their payroll spending, they have the $5.2M MLE, a small TPE for Quarterman, and the $13M TPE for Crabbe.

And they still might deal Ed Davis before the trade deadline. I really doubt they resign him with all the young forwards we have. Some team making a playoff run might want him.

 

[Sinobas]

We should be using the TPE to upgrade the roster. I didn't think the summer where we lost 4 starters could be topped but Olshey managed to do it this year. What a shit offseason. Did the bare minimum. Even the trade up in the draft was a low risk move since it saved the team money.

Well, this is one of the downsides of being at or over the luxury tax limit. That's why massively over-paying a bunch of players was a very stupid idea on Olshey's part. Many posters on this board were acting like there would be no reprocussions to it.

 

[stampedehero]

Nicholson was owed 6.5 million for 3 years. Crabbe 18 million for three years. So basically we wasted 12 million a year.

I see "wasted" to "saved".

 

[Sinobas]

I see "wasted" to "saved".

We saved a portion of money that we wasted, Nicholson's strech is the waste.

Money that goes to a player not even on our team is pretty much wasted.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We are now officially to the point where matching Crabbe's salary was completely pointless if we don't use the trade exception.

Yay...

 

[tester551]

Well, this is one of the downsides of being at or over the luxury tax limit. That's why massively over-paying a bunch of players was a very stupid idea on Olshey's part. Many posters on this board were acting like there would be no reprocussions to it.

Yep. Portland will still be paying for that stupid decision for the next 8 years too!

With the NO extension, there's a lot of support from fans saying hes a very good GM. From my vantage point, he's decidedly mediocre. I think Portland could do MUCH better than him.

 

[Trackjack]

We need just see if he will use the TPE but right now I don't see happening unless we are having great season and use it to get key player to help us in the playoffs. So right now it wait and see.