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Re: Miles 2 games from counting on the cap

I read the article, but it reads like bad journalism and sounds like a lot of fluff.
 
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I got that, but if the NBA says he must serve his suspension before he plays, I would think that would be another grounds for appeal if they count preseason games when he had a suspension to serve.

He just needs to play in 10 games. It's not a matter of punishment, or anything like that. It's just proving that it's not a career ending injury. Pre-season games he plays in with a pending suspension should count in that.
 
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Whomever picks him up should be tarred and feathered. If it is the Nuggets, it will only add to my disdain for that franchise. I say Paul hire some teamsters and picket the hell out of their arena and practice facility.
 
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Look, the CBA is just a really poorly written document. The letter and the spirit of the rule are two different things. This item was put in to stop a team--read the Knicks--from getting Allan Houston medically retired and then re-signing him at the vet min--saving the difference between the max and the min on the cap. It was neer forseen that a player wouldn't be wanted by their team.

Let's not confuse "can" with "should". Darius can play, just like Jonathan Bender can play. However, he's grinding his knee joints to dust with every game. His joints are so bad, the NBA has told him it's unwise to continue to play and that because it's not his fault he'll receive his salary. It's no different than worker's comp. If you're injured on the job, you're not banned from working, you're told that your injuries are so severe that you're not required to work for your paycheck.

This country offers freedom of choice. If someone is stupid enough to risk knee replacement surgery, their employer can't and shouldn't be held responsible.

P.S. Tom Penn was an attorney in a previous life. If you think the Blazers aren't prepared for this scenario, you're kidding yourself. They worked closely with the league and dotted their i's and crossed their t's on this issue.
 
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He just needs to play in 10 games. It's not a matter of punishment, or anything like that. It's just proving that it's not a career ending injury.

You keep saying that, but you just don't get it. Cuttino Mobley was just medically retired due to a heart issue. Can he still play? Sure. Is there a risk that he may pull a Reggie Lewis? Absolutely. Learn the difference between "can" and "should" and ask yourself again if it's a career ending injury.
 
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Whomever picks him up should be tarred and feathered. If it is the Nuggets, it will only add to my disdain for that franchise. I say Paul hire some teamsters and picket the hell out of their arena and practice facility.

I live in Denver. I have no problem going Tonya Harding on his ass. In fact, seeing Darius on the ground screaming "Whhyyyyy meeeeeee???" would give me a great amount of personal satisfaction.
 
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Whomever picks him up should be tarred and feathered. If it is the Nuggets, it will only add to my disdain for that franchise. I say Paul hire some teamsters and picket the hell out of their arena and practice facility.

Actually, if a team does pick him up, we should hope it's the Nuggets. It would make the case easily that they have a vested interested in fucking us over. From not promoting Warkentien to them being in our division, the case makes itself.
 
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For all you guys who are so pissed about Miles' money going back on our payroll, what did you initially hope that we would do with all that capspace? After looking at the list of available free agents this summer, I'm not really that intrigued by anyone outside of Millsap and Lee (both of whom are restricted FAs, btw). I suppose more room would make it easier for KP to deal with S&Ts or BYCs, but I'm not really aware of anyone who would be available.
 
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For all you guys who are so pissed about Miles' money going back on our payroll, what did you initially hope that we would do with all that capspace? After looking at the list of available free agents this summer, I'm not really that intrigued by anyone outside of Millsap and Lee (both of whom are restricted FAs, btw). I suppose more room would make it easier for KP to deal with S&Ts or BYCs, but I'm not really aware of anyone who would be available.

I guarantee you KP has a list of players he knows are available that have never occurred to us. The money was never going to a FA. It was to make a lopsided trade.
 
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This Miles saga is like a bad rash that won't go away. I think if Miles' contract does go back on our books, Pritchard will be more willing to trade Raef by the deadline.
 
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P.a.u.l. A.l.l.e.n. 'nuf said!
 
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Thanks for your posts, maxie
 
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I don't even see how this is news anymore. Did anyone really expect other NBA teams wouldn't sign Miles to keep Portland from having free access to anyone they wanted next summer?
 
Miles needs just 2 more games?!

So, apparently the preseason games count towards the 10 needed for him to come back on the cap?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-milesblazers010709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I must say, this is absolutely ridiculous. Why should games which are absolutely meaningless be included? Further, why should games played before he served his suspension be allowed to count? One would think that if the suspension didn't apply to the preseason games, then said games wouldn't/shouldn't apply to the 10-game rule.

To quote the article, “Someone is going to scoop him up and play him those two games now. Portland is screwed.”
 
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Yeah I saw that this morning. Absolutely ridiculous. We're definitely screwed now.
 
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Blazers should snatch him up. I know they won't but since it's so openly discussed what this would do to the Blazers cap, I say go for it.
 
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I don't even see how this is news anymore. Did anyone really expect other NBA teams wouldn't sign Miles to keep Portland from having free access to anyone they wanted next summer?

I agree no way he wasn't going to be picked up by another team. He's a low risk, low cost player. I don't blame another team for taking a look, Miles had talent to be an elite player in this league. The sooner Miles gets his 2 games in the sooner we can appeal it.
 
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I used to practice law full-time. I would venture to say that there likely is some sort of "good faith" clause in this part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement; that is, teams can't just pick up Miles to F with the Blazers - they have to be acting in good faith.

I also have no doubt that Paul Allen's lawyers have made it clear that they will act accordingly if a team seems to be picking up Miles without really being serious. It may even be a financial tort.

I know I would not want to mess with Paul Allen's deep legal pockets.
 
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I used to practice law full-time. I would venture to say that there likely is some sort of "good faith" clause in this part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement; that is, teams can't just pick up Miles to F with the Blazers - they have to be acting in good faith.

I also have no doubt that Paul Allen's lawyers have made it clear that they will act accordingly if a team seems to be picking up Miles without really being serious. It may even be a financial tort.

I know I would not want to mess with Paul Allen's deep legal pockets.

It is my impression that Stern and the NBA offices in the past have generally applied the LETTER of the CBA - ignoring it's spirit - EXCEPT - when ignoring the letter of the CBA suits Stern's agenda.

Also, in the past, Stern has shown little love for Allen and the Blazers. I doubt very much Stern will go to bat to support their needs. I guess he just stays neutral - which in this instance screws the Blazers.

As for "good faith", assuming there even is such a clause that applies to other team's behavior towards players affecting other teams cap and lux tax, PROVE IT. Proving bad faith without a smoking gun is near impossible.

Boston, Memphis and whoever can smirk and chuckle and wink all they want. What does that prove? Of course they had to take a chance on a former No 3 draft pick. That's all they have to say.
 
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Heh, heh, heh......

From: SFGate.com

When is the NBA's Darius Miles charade going to end? Are people that desperate to screw the Portland Trail Blazers? Last year, when an independent doctor ruled that Miles had a career-ending knee injury, Portland was delighted to see $9 million removed from its salary cap this summer and another $9 million in 2010. It was stipulated, though, that if Miles played 10 games for any team this season, that $18 million would go back on the Blazers' books. The Celtics' Danny Ainge had some sort of brain freeze and brought Miles into camp. Then Memphis signed him, and he actually played two games before being waived. So the Blazers are still cool. But listen up, everybody: Not only is Miles through, he'd cripple your organization with off-the-field transgressions if he were healthy. He's the definition of trouble. If you even consider him, you've lost all touch with reality...
 
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Someone is going to scoop him up and play him those two games now,” one Eastern Conference executive said when told the news on Wednesday night.

Now we know Danny Ainge's opinion on this.


“Portland is screwed.” One West GM thinks the Denver Nuggets, who moved under the luxury-tax threshold on Wednesday, will be motivated to sign Miles.

I really hope they do sign Miles. The NBA needs more blood feuds. I will forever HATE the Denver Nuggets if they sign Miles, give him some garbage minutes, and then release him. One might think that the league office would but the kabosh on this, but Stern HATES small market teams, so I imagine he is the one behind counting the EXHIBITION games for Miles while Miles was supposedly under suspension.

Paul Allen needs to sue the league IMO unless this is written into league law.
 
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thats the nba's fault for appointing a doctor who evaluated his injury wrong.

It's staggering to me how many people don't actually know why Miles was declared to have a career-ending injury. Just because he can hobble up and down the court doesn't mean the evaluation was incorrect.
 
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Whomever does sign him will feel the full and complete wrath of Blazer Nation. Emails, phone calls, faxes, and general harassment and embarrassment for those involved.

:devilwink:
 
Re: Miles 2 games from counting on the cap

Whomever does sign him will feel the full and complete wrath of Blazer Nation. Emails, phone calls, faxes, and general harassment and embarrassment for those involved.

:devilwink:


I can't wait. I hope it is the Nuggets. I'll email Warkentien multiple times a day. Obviously it would be just to screw over Portland; if it wasn't, Warkentien would have already signed Miles at some point this summer or for camp. He knows Darius as well as any other GM in the league. If he didn't already bite, clearly this would be for spite.
 
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I can't wait. I hope it is the Nuggets. I'll email Warkentien multiple times a day. Obviously it would be just to screw over Portland; if it wasn't, Warkentien would have already signed Miles at some point this summer or for camp. He knows Darius as well as any other GM in the league. If he didn't already bite, clearly this would be for spite.

Oh...if its just to screw portland over, it'll be on. serious shit will go down.

I kind of want it to happen just so I can fuck with whomever does it.
 
Blazers’ magic number for cap turmoil: 2

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...lug=aw-milesblazers010709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
Until now, Portland Trail Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard had a secret it appears most of the NBA hadn’t taken the time to discover for itself: Darius Miles is on the brink of blowing up the Blazers’ salary-cap space.

Most of the NBA believed Miles still was eight regular-season games away from devastating the Blazers’ salary cap, but Yahoo! Sports learned on Wednesday that Miles is just two games away.

Teams had been under the impression that the league’s collective bargaining agreement demanded that Miles play 10 regular-season or postseason games for the $18 million – which is split evenly between this and next season – to return to the Blazers’ payroll.


All along, the Blazers knew exactly that the preseason games counted, but a league official said Wednesday night, “He wanted to keep it quiet.”


Apparently, no team had called the league for clarification on the rule that states the season is constituted by the “first day of training camp and ending immediately after the last game of the NBA Finals.”

The league office confirmed to Yahoo! Sports that the six preseason games that Miles played for the Boston Celtics counts toward the 10. Before the Memphis Grizzlies waived him on Tuesday night to avoid guaranteeing his contract for the rest of the season, Miles played two regular-season games that pushed him to eight total.

Any team in the NBA simply can sign Miles to a 10-day contract, play him twice and punch out one of the summer’s top free-agent destinations. The Blazers are a prime destination for free agents, and the cap space also made them a fierce competitor for sign-and-trade deals. If Miles returns to the salary cap, he also will push Portland into the luxury tax. That means every team under the tax would benefit with about $250,000 of revenue sharing from Portland.

Most NBA executives are reveling in the fact that clogging the Portland cap could be a way to slow the rapid rise of the franchise. Beyond that, there is a level of jealousy over the way that Portland’s owner, Paul Allen, buys up draft picks from poorer teams for his GM to use.

All in all, league executives have been rooting hard for Miles to play those 10 games after he missed two years with a knee injury that Portland and league doctors declared was career-ending.

“Someone is going to scoop him up and play him those two games now,” one Eastern Conference executive said when told the news on Wednesday night. “Portland is screwed.”

One West GM thinks the Denver Nuggets, who moved under the luxury tax threshold on Wednesday, will be motivated to sign Miles.

Another GM wondered whether the Blazers might pick Miles off waivers and just keep him on the bench, although it’s unlikely the NBA would allow that. Portland also has been collecting insurance money on Miles, and it just seems too unlikely that Allen and Pritchard would go to such an extreme. Nevertheless, the Blazers have an incredible amount to lose here.

When reached on Wednesday night, Jeff Wechsler, Miles’ agent, said he suspected the rule clarification might be true but had yet to get a confirmation from the NBA.

“We’re not focused on that,” he said. “Our focus is on Darius getting back and playing ball again. Our focus is not trying to hurt the Blazers.”
 
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Damn.

Portland should have claimed him on waivers and have him replace Shavlik at the end of the bench.

Ed O.
 
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Any team in the NBA simply can sign Miles to a 10-day contract, play him twice and punch out one of the summer’s top free-agent destinations.
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Nevertheless, the Blazers have an incredible amount to lose here.

They don't actually, but sports columnists are particularly bad about being factual. The team will still be way under the cap even if Miles' salary is added back to their cap figure. It won't "knock them out" as a free agent market player.
 
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