Merged: Miles 2 games from counting on the cap

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If anyone else signs this guy it will be a blatent attempt to mess with another teams salary cap. I think Paul Allen and his lawyers would be all over this. If a guy can't stick with Memphis than he isn't worth a damn. And also, when have preseason games ever counted for anything. Miles was suspended for 10 games but still allowed to play in preseason. If anything, the preseason games should have counted in his suspension. This is all bull shit.
 
Furball said:
If anyone else signs this guy it will be a blatent attempt to mess with another teams salary cap. I think Paul Allen and his lawyers would be all over this. If a guy can't stick with Memphis than he isn't worth a damn. And also, when have preseason games ever counted for anything. Miles was suspended for 10 games but still allowed to play in preseason. If anything, the preseason games should have counted in his suspension. This is all bull shit.
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What are his lawyers going to do? Miles was removed from the cap because he was ruled to have a career ending injury. Since Miles keeps playing in games (8 by my count so far this season), his career has clearly not ended, as his career keeps trucking on.
 
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Ed O said:
Damn.

Portland should have claimed him on waivers and have him replace Shavlik at the end of the bench.

Ed O.
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This makes no sense. It wouldn't work. The 10 games thing would likely be waived immediately if Portland re-signed him, and the money would be put back on the cap the immediate moment Miles was re-signed. The rule was instated to stop the Knicks from doing this very thing with Allen Houston.
 
Денг Гордон said:
What are his lawyers going to do? Miles was removed from the cap because he was ruled to have a career ending injury. Since Miles keeps playing in games (8 by my count so far this season), his career has clearly not ended, as his career keeps trucking on.
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Me and my crew will take care of everything. :ohno:
 
Денг Гордон said:
What are his lawyers going to do? Miles was removed from the cap because he was ruled to have a career ending injury. Since Miles keeps playing in games (8 by my count so far this season), his career has clearly not ended, as his career keeps trucking on.
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I already answered your ignorance on the matter earlier in the thread. Since you didn't comment on it, I have to think you either don't care about the FACTS or you are just trolling for responses.

Which is it?
 
PapaG said:
I already answered your ignorance on the matter earlier in the thread. Since you didn't comment on it, I have to think you either don't care about the FACTS or you are just trolling for responses.

Which is it?
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Please explain to me how Miles career has ended if he is still playing in NBA games?
 
This little comment, imho, is a polite way of saying "seriously, don't fuck with us. Our owner is worth 15 billion and he's willing to waste more money than Darius' contract is worth, just to Pritch-slap you.".

Followed by a little "Go ahead, we dare you".
(I guess it helps to put the quote in)

“Please be aware that if a team engages in such conduct, the Portland Trail Blazers will take all necessary steps to safeguard its rights, including, without limitation, litigation.”
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Денг Гордон said:
Please explain to me how Miles career has ended if he is still playing in NBA games?
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A career in the NBA is a two-way deal. It takes a player and it takes a team that will sign him. Doctors for the Blazers and the NBA evaluated Miles' knee and are said to have determined that it was career-ending from the standpoint that if he continues to try to play on it, he will do such irrevocable damage that knee replacement surgery would be required. If that is a medical fact, and nobody has offered up anything in the way of evidence to the contrary, then it would be irresponsible for a team to sign and continue to play Miles as a long term situation. The mere fact that Miles is willing to take a risk doesn't remove a team's obligations to care for its employees' health. On the other hand, if teams are willing to sign Miles to short term deals simply for the chance to screw the Blazers' cap and luxury tax situations, then they are not really planning to offer Miles a continuing career situation, they're just playing with the CBA to try to gain an advantage.

The Blazers are wise at this point to fire a warning legal shot across NBA executives desks so that everyone is on notice that the Blazers don't intend to take such shenanigans without there being legal consequences.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not surprised by this move, but I don't see it holding any water. It would be difficult for a lawyer to prove malicious intent in a court of law, especially from a crappy team like the Grizzlies. Ed, your thoughts?

I don't think this should have been merged btw. It's a serious turn in the Miles saga.
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Think about how cheap Heisley and Wallace are. They are doing everything in their power to shave a few hundred thousand dollars off of their payroll, I can't imagine they'd be high on getting tangled up in a costly lawsuit ... it wouldn't be so much about proving anything as it is the threat of a costly court battle as a deterrent.
 
That'd be fun. Hopefully a team like the Knicks take him on. Ruin the Blazers cap space and then laugh at Paul Allen throwing away money in a fruitless lawsuit.
 
Денг Гордон said:
That'd be fun. Hopefully a team like the Knicks take him on. Ruin the Blazers cap space and then laugh at Paul Allen throwing away money in a fruitless lawsuit.
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Cept that Paul Allen could throw far more money away at a "fruitless lawsuit" than the Knicks can, and it would just put the Knicks in court for a long time and waste more of their time and money than it's probably worth to them.
 
Денг Гордон said:
That'd be fun. Hopefully a team like the Knicks take him on. Ruin the Blazers cap space and then laugh at Paul Allen throwing away money in a fruitless lawsuit.
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You do understand that Portland's cap space is not ruined even if Darius goes back on the books, right? I mean multiple people have said that but maybe you didn't see it?
 
julius said:
Cept that Paul Allen could throw far more money away at a "fruitless lawsuit" than the Knicks can, and it would just put the Knicks in court for a long time and waste more of their time and money than it's probably worth to them.
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They can send some hired lawyer out to court, and then collect their money back after the Blazers lose the lawsuit.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
You do understand that Portland's cap space is not ruined even if Darius goes back on the books, right? I mean multiple people have said that but maybe you didn't see it?
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Yes it does. With Darius Miles off the books, Blazers are legitimately looking at being able to getting a guy like Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu or Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap. Now, they will likely fall short of that. Allen Iverson will probably be out of that price range as well.

So now, they no longer will have the opportunity to sign a very good young player, who could be part of their core long term. Still have enough to pry awaay a guy like Artest, Marion, Odom or Miller, but they don't fit long term with the team, and in Marion/Odom's cases, both look toast.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Yes it does. With Darius Miles off the books, Blazers are legitimately looking at being able to getting a guy like Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu or Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap. Now, they will likely fall short of that. Allen Iverson will probably be out of that price range as well.

So now, they no longer will have the opportunity to sign a very good young player, who could be part of their core long term. Still have enough to pry awaay a guy like Artest, Marion, Odom or Miller, but they don't fit long term with the team, and in Marion/Odom's cases, both look toast.
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Portland can decline Outlaw and Blake's options, in addition to not offering Ike and Channing qualifying offers. This would leave them about 15 million in cap space even with Darius on the books. It wouldn't get a Boozer, but it'd certainly get a Gordon, Millsap or a Turkoglu. Gordon and Millsap max out at 14 million dollars due to their time in the league and the contract raise restraints that come with that.

I could certainly be wrong on the cap number but I'm pretty positive I am not. In the morning I will look at old posts on other sites that have detailed this more, but for now I sleep.
 
Денг Гордон said:
They can send some hired lawyer out to court, and then collect their money back after the Blazers lose the lawsuit.
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Who is to say they'd lose the lawsuit? The NBA agreed with the independent doctor that Miles knees were shot, and that the team shouldn't be liable to pay for his contract (as insurance would).

This is just the Blazers way of saying that if another team thinks they can just sign Darius to 'screw' Portland, that Portland would not be sitting idly by watching. They have the richest owner in sports, and could afford to hire better lawyers than anyone in the league could (after all, a lawyer is going to go where the money is in this scenario), and if another team wants to test the situation out, they're willing to go as far as necessary.

In this scenario, I think money trumps whatever you are perceiving as the Blazers chances (which I also would guess that the team has a just slightly better grasp on that than you do, considering we're talking about them being dinged almost 20 million dollars).

I would also bet that Larry Miller, Tom Penn and Kevin Pritchard have spent their time looking at the situation, and already know several ways to defend their stance. Especially if it looks as though a team is just signing Darius to fuck Portland over.

Darius, at this stage of his career, is no longer worth the lawsuit it would bring to a team. Is it really worth the cost of Darius' contract (albeit, tiny), and the lawsuit and time it would take to take care of the issue in court?

Darius isn't good enough to justify that, nor are teams going to risk signing him knowing that the Blazers will just take them to court over it. If Darius was a Brandon Roy type player (or had ever improved in his career), that's one thing. You could make the argument for trying to sign him and claim you're doing it because he's either worth it or the best out there. And you and I both know, (and everyone who reads this forum, or in the case of the NBA, has any scouting team worth it's salt), Darius is not worth the hassle that would come with him.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Yes it does. With Darius Miles off the books, Blazers are legitimately looking at being able to getting a guy like Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu or Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap.
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They won't want a guy like Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu, Boozer or Milslap.
Now, they will likely fall short of that. Allen Iverson will probably be out of that price range as well.
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They wouldn't want Iverson.
So now, they no longer will have the opportunity to sign a very good young player, who could be part of their core long term. Still have enough to pry awaay a guy like Artest, Marion, Odom or Miller, but they don't fit long term with the team, and in Marion/Odom's cases, both look toast.
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I think it's far more important to the team to re-sign Oden, Brandon, LaMarcus and Rudy, than to sign any of the bounty you just named.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Yes it does. With Darius Miles off the books, Blazers are legitimately looking at being able to getting a guy like Ben Gordon, Hedo Turkoglu or Carlos Boozer or Paul Millsap. Now, they will likely fall short of that. Allen Iverson will probably be out of that price range as well.

So now, they no longer will have the opportunity to sign a very good young player, who could be part of their core long term. Still have enough to pry awaay a guy like Artest, Marion, Odom or Miller, but they don't fit long term with the team, and in Marion/Odom's cases, both look toast.
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With Miles off the cap the Blazers are looking at a max of 25 million in cap room, with him on the books it falls to 16 million. The only player you mention above that is going to get more than 16 million a year is Carlos Boozer ... and I have a pretty good feeling the Blazers aren't looking for a number one guy, they are looking for strong complimentary players (Josh Childress types).
 
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