Merged: Miller & Blake: who should start?

[mook]

Miller has consistently destroyed Blake in head-to-head matchups since Blake was a Blazer the first time. It's not even close who is the better player. Blake is Steve Kerr II. That's nice and all if you need somebody to hit a fantastic percentage of three pointers and not do much else, but I'd rather start the guy who does every single thing (besides hitting three pointers) better.

 

[MARIS61]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

Miller, without question. You don't go out and bring in a $21 mil player to put him on the bench behind Steve Frickin Blake. There are plenty of ways Miller can make Roy, Aldridge, and Oden better.

Not in Nate's PG-Limiter "system" there aren't.

Roy will not stand for someone else running the offense. He's proven that over and over.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

Not in Nate's PG-Limiter "system" there aren't.

Roy will not stand for someone else running the offense. He's proven that over and over.

There has never been anyone else on the team that was capable of doing it.

 

[MARIS61]

When one speculates that if it had been 55 or 56 wins, and the 5th best PD in the NBA, we'd be talking about a trip to the second round or further...it's painful.

Mis-speculation on your part.

It was cowardly, distrustful coaching that sealed our fate in the playoffs, and any team would have beaten us just like Houston did.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Miller Best As The Backup

Blake 18-24
Miller 24-30

Roy 36
Rudy 18

Batum 18-24
Webster 18-24
Outlaw 18-24

Aldridge 30
Oden 24
Joel 24

I think I added that correctly. I would think that Rudy would need more minutes, although that could be somewhat solved by having him in in the last 6 minutes. I would also bet that Aldridge would cut into Outlaw's minutes as well. Then again, I'm willing to admit I'm an Outlaw hater.

Outlaw and Blake should play less. Rudy and Aldridge should get those minutes.

Oden should definately get more han 24 minutes. That would be a joke if it happens again this year.



Since ass clown insists on starting Blake, and apparently Joel since he doesn't want to upset his vets


So with that in mind....


Blake - 15
Miller - 32
Roy - 36
Rudy - 24
Batum - 26
Outlaw - 21
Aldridge - 36
Oden - 32
Joel - 18

Webster, Bayless nada. Definately a need for a consolidation trade.

 

[PapaG]

Miller has consistently destroyed Blake in head-to-head matchups since Blake was a Blazer the first time. It's not even close who is the better player. Blake is Steve Kerr II. That's nice and all if you need somebody to hit a fantastic percentage of three pointers and not do much else, but I'd rather start the guy who does every single thing (besides hitting three pointers) better.

That's a totally ridiculous comparision. Kerr averaged over 3 apg ONCE in a 14 year career. Blake has never averaged less than 4.5 in a Blazer uniform. Kerr in his prime never even averaged 9 ppg in his best season. Blake averaged 11 ppg last year.

Blake can be criticized for many things, but calling him Steve Kerr II shows a lack of knowledge IMO.

 

[illmatic99]

It's not that far off, actually. Blake shoots set shots from three point range, brings the ball up and hands it to Brandon, and on occasions swings the ball around the perimeter. He's pretty much a SG here.

And their per 36 stats are pretty similar.

Rk        Player From   To   G  GS    MP  FG FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1    Steve Blake 2004 2009 419 261 10658 4.0 9.7 .410 1.7 4.4 .392 1.1 1.4 .784 0.5 2.5 2.9 5.9 1.0 0.1 2.0 2.1 10.7
2     Steve Kerr 1989 2003 910  30 16207 4.5 9.5 .479 1.6 3.6 .454 1.4 1.6 .864 0.4 1.9 2.4 3.7 1.1 0.1 1.1 1.9 12.1

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

Jay Allen just said he likes Blake in clutch situations. WTF is this guy talking about?

Blake is the epitome of anti-clutch.

Edit: Good God. This town's love affair with Steve Blake is sickening.

Yes, he missed the FTs against the Clippers but he did hit the game winner against Toronto.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

Way wrong. The Blazers were often down double digits halfway through the first.

Not true. At. All. Look at our last game. We came out playing well. LMA, Blake, and Roy were all playing well. Then Outlaw came in, missed some shots, and we fell apart.

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

I believe most of the fans know what Blake did and didn't do last season. He played hard, played through injuries and did his best. But his best was 2nd worst PG in the western conference. That is a fact.

By what criteria is that a fact? He had a great assist to turnover ratio. He hit the three point shot at a high rate. He hit a game winning shot. He played good defense. And he set an NBA record with 14 assists in one fucking quarter. He also led his team to 54 wins. 2nd worst in the west? Hardly.

 

[KingSpeed]

Miller is more likely to get Oden the ball early and get him rolling. You get Oden rolling, he will keep rolling. You start with Miller.

But is Oden starting?

 

[KingSpeed]

Me thinks, though, he's intelligent enough as to find Roy, Rudy, or Martell in the corner for the win, though.

But what if his defender is helping on them since he can't shoot? That said, I think Miller's three point shooting will surprise people this season. Last year was the best of his career!

 

[KingSpeed]

Miller has consistently destroyed Blake in head-to-head matchups since Blake was a Blazer the first time. It's not even close who is the better player. Blake is Steve Kerr II. That's nice and all if you need somebody to hit a fantastic percentage of three pointers and not do much else, but I'd rather start the guy who does every single thing (besides hitting three pointers) better.

Kerr won 4 consecutive championships. No one else has done that since the 60s. Am I wrong?

 

[KingSpeed]

Re: Miller Best As The Backup

Outlaw and Blake should play less. Rudy and Aldridge should get those minutes.

Oden should definately get more han 24 minutes. That would be a joke if it happens again this year. .

Hey- Oden didn't deserve to play more than 24 minutes last year nor could he stay out of foul trouble enough to even make it possible.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Man Blake is so effin overhyped by our fans, I am starting to really want to trade him b/c I'm tired of 14 assts this and 54 wins that..he
s a good backup, bottom line, nothing more, nothing less

 

[hielo español]

It's true what they say I guess. No matter how intelligent, passionate and accepting a fan base is, there is still at least one asshole who can't appreciate what he has.

I suppose bit part players deseve no recognition, merely insults, especially those that played injured. Then again, injuries arn't on the show reels, they arn't entertaining, they don't come with statistics for you to quote, so what good are they?

Here is a mad idea from an outsider. How about instead of bitching about how poor Blake is, why not be thankful you have him AND Miller and support them both while they are Blazers?

Just a thought.

 

[axs88]

It's true what they say I guess. No matter how intelligent, passionate and accepting a fan base is, there is still at least one asshole who can't appreciate what he has.

I suppose bit part players deseve no recognition, merely insults, especially those that played injured. Then again, injuries arn't on the show reels, they arn't entertaining, they don't come with statistics for you to quote, so what good are they?

Here is a mad idea from an outsider. How about instead of bitching about how poor Blake is, why not be thankful you have him AND Miller and support them both while they are Blazers?

Just a thought.

I support Blake, just not as the starter when Andre Miller is on the team, too.

 

[hielo español]

I support Blake, just not as the starter when Andre Miller is on the team, too.

So if someone else makes a bad decision in your eyes you are going to take it out on the player who had nothing to do with it?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But what if his defender is helping on them since he can't shoot? That said, I think Miller's three point shooting will surprise people this season. Last year was the best of his career!

If the three-ball becomes a regular part of his game at all, that would shock the hell out of me.

 

[LameR]

Kingspeed enters with seven straight posts. Classic.

 

[axs88]

So if someone else makes a bad decision in your eyes you are going to take it out on the player who had nothing to do with it?

No, and I didn't.

 

[Iwatas]

Blake is one of the best backup points in the league.
Miller is a top-15 starting PG.

Starters, by position:
PG: Top 15 (Miller)
SG: Top 3
SF: Based on last year, bottom quartile. If Batum improves, could be average.
PF: Top 10 for sure, maybe Top 5.
C: Top 10 (in rebound rate, Top 3).

That is a pretty amazing lineup. It should contend by 2011, and maybe even this year. I don't think any other team has a lineup this strong.

iWatas

 

[Sedatedfork]

I haven't taken the time to read this thread. Miller should start, but I am curious as to who will see the 4th quarter minutes at PG. Miller or Blake, or will Rudy play point the 4th? I will be interested to see what Nate does this season.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I haven't taken the time to read this thread. Miller should start, but I am curious as to who will see the 4th quarter minutes at PG. Miller or Blake, or will Rudy play point the 4th? I will be interested to see what Nate does this season.

Off the top of my my head I'd wager you'll see Andre, Rudy, Roy, Aldridge and Oden in the end of games, that gives you two creators/facilitators in Brandon and Andre, 4 scorers, 3 shooters (Brandon, Rudy, Aldridge) 2 guys with great size and length ... and no more "dribble, dribble, pull-up 21 foot crazy jump shot" action from Travis

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Miller Best As The Backup

Andre; Rudy; Batum; ______; Greg(?)
)

Andre, Rudy, Webster, _____, Pryzbilla

But I essentially agree, the reason you might put Dre in with the second unit, is because those guys might have trouble creating their own shots. Blake does not create, but Miller could create.

 

[Eastoff]

Off the top of my my head I'd wager you'll see Andre, Rudy, Roy, Aldridge and Oden in the end of games, that gives you two creators/facilitators in Brandon and Andre, 4 scorers, 3 shooters (Brandon, Rudy, Aldridge) 2 guys with great size and length ... and no more "dribble, dribble, pull-up 21 foot crazy jump shot" action from Travis

I agree, except I wouldn't put Aldridge in with Roy and Rudy, he cannot hit a long ball and until he does consistently don't assume he can. Andre shoots about the same range as Aldridge.

That is seriously a vicious lineup at the end!

 

[BlazerCaravan]

LMA started adding the long ball to his arsenal late last season; I wouldn't be surprised if he started hitting those a little more, kind of like Rasheed adding that to his game after his 4th season.

 

[hasoos]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

By what criteria is that a fact? He had a great assist to turnover ratio. He hit the three point shot at a high rate. He hit a game winning shot. He played good defense. And he set an NBA record with 14 assists in one fucking quarter. He also led his team to 54 wins. 2nd worst in the west? Hardly.

Go ahead and throw out all the stats you want. Go team by team, bring up their starting PG and tell me they aren't better.

Lets go through them shall we?

Golden State-Monta Ellis, definitly better.
LA Clippers-Baron Davis, definitly better.
LA Lakers-Derek Fisher, definitly better.
Utah Jazz-Deron Williams. Do I even have to say anything here?
Oklahoma City-Westbrook, already better and with upside.
New Orleans-Chris Paul. Enough said.
Denver Nuggets-Chauncey Billups, Enough said.
Dallas Mavericks-Jason Kidd. Duh.
Phoenix Suns-Steve Nash. Hmm do we even need to think about that one?
Houston Rockets-Aaron Brooks. Better. Period.
San Antonio Spurs-Tony Parker
Minnesota Timberwolves-Bassy (worst).

You can argue stats until you are blue in the face. Those guys, all except Bassy are better and I would take any of them over Steve Blake any day of the week, any team, any time.

 

[Eastoff]

Rudy and Martell have never hit a game-winning shot. Why diss Outlaw like that?

No doubt that Outlaw has hit some game winners, but I think Rudy can still perform better under pressure. Silver medal anyone?

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Re: Miller & Blake: who should start?

Go ahead and throw out all the stats you want. Go team by team, bring up their starting PG and tell me they aren't better.

Lets go through them shall we?

Golden State-Monta Ellis, definitly better.
LA Clippers-Baron Davis, definitly better.
LA Lakers-Derek Fisher, definitly better.
Utah Jazz-Deron Williams. Do I even have to say anything here?
Oklahoma City-Westbrook, already better and with upside.
New Orleans-Chris Paul. Enough said.
Denver Nuggets-Chauncey Billups, Enough said.
Dallas Mavericks-Jason Kidd. Duh.
Phoenix Suns-Steve Nash. Hmm do we even need to think about that one?
Houston Rockets-Aaron Brooks. Better. Period.
San Antonio Spurs-Tony Parker
Minnesota Timberwolves-Bassy (worst).

You can argue stats until you are blue in the face. Those guys, all except Bassy are better and I would take any of them over Steve Blake any day of the week, any team, any time.

Sebastian was traded to the Clips. Minny has Flynn and maybe Rubio eventually.