Merged: OT: Mavs in the Caron/Haywood sweepstakes now

[Buzz Killington]

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=4909238

- Long-running trade talks between the Dallas Mavericks and Washington Wizards have taken a fresh twist now that the teams have seriously discussed the prospect of packaging center Brendan Haywood to Dallas in the same deal with Wizards forward Caron Butler, according to sources close to the discussions.

Talks between the teams had stalled in the past week, partly because of Washington's insistence that the Mavericks take guard DeShawn Stevenson in any Butler deal, but the potential for acquiring two front-line players -- since Butler and Haywood would immediately become key rotation players for the Mavs -- has renewed Dallas' interest.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

OT: Dallas close to a deal

with Washington

Mavs-Wiz trade talks have only gotten more serious this afternoon. Many sources say sides closing in on a deal

- Marc Stein's Twitter

Howard/Gooden/Filler to Washington

Haywood/Butler to Dallas

 

[RoyToy]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I hope it goes through so Houston doesn't get them.

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Awesome. So why is it other teams can trade complete scrubs, but we HAVE to give up someone like Rudy. Of course I would give Rudy up, but logic makes no sense anymore in trade talks involving us and other teams.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I don't know about that one. This deal makes Dallas a whole lot tougher.

PG: Kidd
SG:
SF: Butler
PF: Dirk
C: Haywood


That's solid.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I love this. This is exactly why KP is pathetic at the deadline

 

[Wheels]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I don't know about that one. This deal makes Dallas a whole lot tougher.

PG: Kidd
SG:
SF: Butler
PF: Dirk
C: Haywood


That's solid.

Slide JET in at the 2?

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I love this. This is exactly why KP is pathetic at the deadline

This is exactly why he should not be our GM anymore. Couldn't do anything with Raef's contract. Loves everyone to much. Doesn't want to piss off Roy. I hate to say it, but we could be stuck in mediocrity for many years (as in one and done in the playoffs or maybe get into the second round every now and then) unless of course Oden can stay healthy and be what we all thought he would be. It doesn't help that you have one young guy in Rudy who will want to play somewhere else because he will always be a backup here, another guy in Bayless, who may or may not be a good fit next to Roy and will also want to play somewhere else, and of course King Batum, who is just as inconsistent as Bayless and Rudy yet is looked at as a God by most Blazer fans. Great potential guys, but possibly not the best fits and one in Batum who has looked alright since his return. They may never pan out other than just average role players and we need a second guy, not role players.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

KP just gets cold feet when it's not the off-season. It's obviously not his comfort zone. Also factor in his buddy-buddy relationship with each player on the roster.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Awesome. So why is it other teams can trade complete scrubs, but we HAVE to give up someone like Rudy. Of course I would give Rudy up, but logic makes no sense anymore in trade talks involving us and other teams.

You think Josh Howard and Drew Gooden are complete scrubs?

 

[MIXUM]

shameful but then again portland fans praise kpee for bragging about culture.

watch a real gm work like in dallas

 

[EGame]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

You think Josh Howard and Drew Gooden are complete scrubs?

Drew Gooden, at this point, yes. Howard was a little bit of a reach with that comment, but certainly we can off a better deal for a guy who can be our second star/player next to Roy and a center for this year. However, many things stop this from happening: Don't want to trade one of Rudy/Batum/Bayless and we stunt the "great potential" of King Batum. Whether you agree with trading for Butler or not is one thing, but this team needs a second star, and hoping our young guys to be that may cause just as much harm as trading for someone like Butler who is having a down year.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[noknobs]

So anytime two other teams have the audacity to make a trade that doesn't involve the Blazers, somehow it's Pritchard's fault and Pritchard sucks?





Wow.

 

[maxiep]

I'll get angry with Pritchard when there's a sweetheart deal that goes down, that we were in the running for and that we declined because we were too attached to clearly inferior players. Until then, it's just manufactured anger by the already dyspeptic.

 

[EGame]

So anytime two other teams have the audacity to make a trade that doesn't involve the Blazers, somehow it's Pritchard's fault and Pritchard sucks?





Wow.

Considerign he sat on his ass with one of the more sought after contracts in Raef's last year, I would say yes, he does suck. Sorry you don't see it that way, but I personally do.

 

[noknobs]

Considerign he sat on his ass with one of the more sought after contracts in Raef's last year, I would say yes, he does suck. Sorry you don't see it that way, but I personally do.

Haha... Yeah, we were so much better off before he became GM. He clearly has no idea what he's doing.

 

[maxiep]

Considerign he sat on his ass with one of the more sought after contracts in Raef's last year, I would say yes, he does suck. Sorry you don't see it that way, but I personally do.

The two deals we knew we passed on for RLEC were for Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson. I'll file those two near-misses under "therefore but the grace of God go I".

 

[Buzz Killington]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

I don't know about that one. This deal makes Dallas a whole lot tougher.

PG: Kidd
SG:
SF: Butler
PF: Dirk
C: Haywood


That's solid.

Butler at 2. Shawn Marion at the 3.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Marion blows.

 

[RoyToy]

shameful but then again portland fans praise kpee for bragging about culture.

watch a real gm work like in dallas

You mean when he traded Jason Kidd for Devin Harris?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

KP is #1

 

[EGame]

Haha... Yeah, we were so much better off before he became GM. He clearly has no idea what he's doing.

Not saying we weren't, but I think it is hilarious that you guys still go under the saying that is "in KP we trust." Other than the draft he has brought nothing as GM. I won't be to shocked if he resigns Blake either. Whether you guys want to believe it or not, we need a second scorer behind Roy, Aldridge is not that, and I am not sure Rudy, Bayless, and Batum are that either. Oden can be, but he has to be healthy, and even though I am still glad we have Oden and that we picked him at the time, I am not overly optimistic he will play a full season. I think injuries piling on him is very possible.

 

[EGame]

The two deals we knew we passed on for RLEC were for Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson. I'll file those two near-misses under "therefore but the grace of God go I".

And Gerald Wallace. Dang, he would have looked nice on this team now...

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Drew Gooden, at this point, yes. Howard was a little bit of a reach with that comment, but certainly we can off a better deal for a guy who can be our second star/player next to Roy and a center for this year. However, many things stop this from happening: Don't want to trade one of Rudy/Batum/Bayless and we stunt the "great potential" of King Batum. Whether you agree with trading for Butler or not is one thing, but this team needs a second star, and hoping our young guys to be that may cause just as much harm as trading for someone like Butler who is having a down year.

Gooden, at a 16.4 PER, is statistically a better player than anyone on the active roster not named Miller or Aldridge (and hopefully Roy soon). Howard is having a terrible season, and he's still more productive than Rudy right now. Why would anyone want Caron Butler for more than a year or two? He's been banged up over the past 5 years, his production is terrible this season (13.2 PER), and he turns 30 next month. I think Washington may be getting the best player in that deal (once Howard gets healthy again).

 

[BGrantFan]

And Gerald Wallace. Dang, he would have looked nice on this team now...

Let's not forget the Wade deal that KP whiffed on last year as well.

 

[julius]

What trades last year, that were made at the deadline, made a shit load of difference last year?

Outside of the Billups trade last year, what trades have been done that made a difference in the long run?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Drew Gooden, at this point, yes.

Gooden is 28 years old, with a rebound rate over 17 and a PER over 16. There are a total of 2 players in the league right now who can boast those numbers, are under the age of 30, and don't play starters minutes. If he were in Portland, he would immediately be the second best forward on our roster.

In fact--if the Mavs are shopping him, why don't we try to trade for Drew Gooden? I'd rather have him start at center than Juwan Howard, and he could be our backup PF/C for several years if we were so inclined.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Gooden, at a 16.4 PER, is statistically a better player than anyone on the active roster not named Miller or Aldridge (and hopefully Roy soon). Howard is having a terrible season, and he's still more productive than Rudy right now. Why would anyone want Caron Butler for more than a year or two? He's been banged up over the past 5 years, his production is terrible this season (13.2 PER), and he turns 30 next month. I think Washington may be getting the best player in that deal (once Howard gets healthy again).

You're right--we should try to get in there and see if we can get the package that Dallas is offering up. Given the choice, I'd MUCH rather have Howard/Gooden than Butler/Haywood.

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

Gooden is 28 years old, with a rebound rate over 17 and a PER over 16. There are a total of 2 players in the league right now who can boast those numbers, are under the age of 30, and don't play starters minutes. If he were in Portland, he would immediately be the second best forward on our roster.

In fact--if the Mavs are shopping him, why don't we try to trade for Drew Gooden? I'd rather have him start at center than Juwan Howard, and he could be our backup PF/C for several years if we were so inclined.

Dude, Gooden is a scrub! I don't care about your fancy PERs and your jazzy statistics, and your spinning of them to make Drew Gooden look good. As someone who rarely watches the Mavs, I can tell you on extremely limited authority that Gooden is terrible. Why? Because I said so!

 

[BGrantFan]

Re: OT: Dallas close to a deal

You're right--we should try to get in there and see if we can get the package that Dallas is offering up. Given the choice, I'd MUCH rather have Howard/Gooden than Butler/Haywood.

The heavens are parting, the clouds are singing. Is that what one calls an epiphany? Is that what it's called when something makes sense with perfect clarity? If so, you just made as much sense as anyone I've read in a trade thread. Thank you.

I will now commence bashing Pritchard for not making a Howard/Gooden deal for table scraps.