Merged: Quick on 1080 / Gerald Wallace and David Lee speculation

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

I'd really hate to lose Batum, but I just might pull the trigger on it. 50/50 right now.

Batum is such a good defender it's just hard to lose that. And as a rookie, wasn't half bad at all last year.

Ughh

Only way I give up Batum, is if we included Bayless and got back Crash and Augustine. They won't do that though, and realistically, I'm just going to deal Batum unless we're getting back an All-Star or All-Defense type stud.

 

[Wheels]

Re: David Lee

I agree, but I have two concerns:

1) Joel is still badly needed if Oden continues to progress slowly.

2) LA would take a beating at center and he'd be pretty darn unhappy about it. Plus, he scores a lot from the outside and we wouldn't want our center that far out.

I agree to all that. I just assume that we wouldnt be a S & T spot for Lee, and that he would actually be here.. but I dont want LMA at the 5 all game and I dont want Joel gone, because until Oden is consistent.. joel is NOT expendable.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

I'd deal Rudy to get Wallace. Probably not Batum.

My hope is that it's something like Przybilla/Outlaw, and then Portland goes after one of the talented young big men on the market, Millsap or Lee.

 

[Sinobas]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

I'd really love to get Wallace. How badly does Charlotte want to get rid of DeSagana Diop's contact? We could help them get way under the cap by trading:

Blake, Outlaw picks for Wallace, Diop.

 

[hasoos]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

I think it's a little bit harder than a no brainer for KP and the gang since they value Nicolas a lot, IMO. What's going to be the difference for them from the trade deadline and now in their value of Batum's potential versus Wallace now?
Is KP feeling the pressure? I mean, I'd give up Nicolas in the right deal but we're just fans. I'd love to have KP answer that question of what the real goal for Nicolas is.

Yea that's nice and all, but how is that going to help Roy from having to carry too much of a load this year, and maybe even the year after that? See the thing is, the team goes how Roy goes. Not how Nicolas Batum goes. If the Blazers don't get somebody to take a load off of Roy, then he is going to end up like Dwade, hurt trying to carry his team because there is too much of a load on him. Down the road in his career, those aches and pains add up. I would prefer to avoid them.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: David Lee

I like all those players.. however our Shooting would be atrocious with that starting 5. Aldridge being the 2nd best perimeter shooter would scare me..

I've mentioned this in another thread, but perimeter shooting is really not that important.

The L*kers Nuggets, Magic and Cavs all had lower 3pt %than we did. The constant for most finals teams over the past several years has been FTA.

I mean LA has ass rapist, but after that none of the guys jump out as great shooters either.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

Say it will take Rudy and Batum for Gerald, what would it take to get Charlotte to add Gerald Henderson?

No way we deal both Rudy and Nic. That would mean their asking price went up. Plus we'd be left with the least promising players in that deal (Bayless and Wallace).

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

Wallace would be with the Blazers for at least 3 years and not count over $10M against the cap until year 3. Such a good deal.

UGHHHHH

Great point.

The 16/8 guy makes too much money, no thank you. Where did the days go where we could get marginal players that were cheap like Blake?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

If the plan were to deal Przybilla (with or without Outlaw/Webster) in order to get Wallace and then they signed Lee, I'd consider that a pretty brilliant off-season.

Me too. That would allow Okafor to play the 4. Would Joel and Ok play well together though. They seem too similar to me.

 

[RR7]

Why did these two topics get merged? I understand it is all speculation, but then just sticky a damn "Speculation" thread. One was talking about Wallace, one about Lee. Why can't they stay two seperate topics?

 

[Wheels]

as much as Blake hurts my head.. if our only option would be to get Wallace... I would want a shooter like Blake in the starting lineup. Unless we could somehow get Hinrich which seems unlikely.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

Webster and a pick for Sessions

You went too far there. MIL isn't going to do that. I liked your other ideas though.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: David Lee

Me too. That would allow Okafor to play the 4. Would Joel and Ok play well together though. They seem too similar to me.

Yeah, that's the question to me, too. In a vacuum, Przybilla seems like a very Larry Brown kind of player...hard-nosed, veteran and defensive-minded. But he duplicates Okafor a bit too much. If Charlotte had an offensive-minded big man, I could more easily see it.

 

[Wheels]

Re: David Lee

I've mentioned this in another thread, but perimeter shooting is really not that important.

The L*kers Nuggets, Magic and Cavs all had lower 3pt %than we did. The constant for most finals teams over the past several years has been FTA.

I mean LA has ass rapist, but after that none of the guys jump out as great shooters either.

I wont touch on the Rapist comments.. but maybe they had a lower 3% but I would say that Fisher is as just a good shooter as Blake, and that Ariza was a better shooter than Wallace or Batum.. they would pack in on us all day.

 

[hasoos]

Why did these two topics get merged? I understand it is all speculation, but then just sticky a damn "Speculation" thread. One was talking about Wallace, one about Lee. Why can't they stay two seperate topics?

Well you might as well throw all the bullshit in one place. That way it only stinks up one spot.

 

[Minstrel]

Why did these two topics get merged? I understand it is all speculation, but then just sticky a damn "Speculation" thread. One was talking about Wallace, one about Lee. Why can't they stay two seperate topics?

They both seemed to be about the rumours of Lee and Wallace, i.e. how the two fit together. To me, they seemed to both be on parallel tracks rather than completely independent (like Odom speculation is/was independent from Sessions speculation).

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: David Lee

You went too far there. MIL isn't going to do that. I liked your other ideas though.

Yeah, that was a tough one. I think Milwaukee could get motivated with picks and cash though. Rudy for Sessions works also. Webster IS a SG, so he could take Rudy's minutes.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

I wouldn't do it if it meant losing Przybilla. Joel is too valuable as long as Oden remains foul and/or injury prone.

If we could get Milsap or Lee (I prefer Milsap), I'd be ok with parting ways with Przybilla. The west isn't what it was. To me, having Przy is now a luxury. If we can use him to upgrade our starting core, we should IMO.

 

[alex42083]

as much as Blake hurts my head.. if our only option would be to get Wallace... I would want a shooter like Blake in the starting lineup. Unless we could somehow get Hinrich which seems unlikely.

Nicolas really struggled in the second half of the season with his jump shot, so I don't know if it'd hurt too much having Wallace at SF. I think we have enough shooters on this team. We need another threat outside Brandon who can take it to the hoop.
And if we got a guy like Wallace, Nate better hell make these guys run out on the fast break.

 

[Cake]

Well you might as well throw all the bullshit in one place. That way it only stinks up one spot.

Then stop posting in all these threads.

 

[RoyToy]

At least we're all on the same page in that we all seem to be Wallace fans. Hedo was as 50/50 as it gets.

 

[ironcrotch]

Wallace, yes please. For Batum? No.

They didn't deal for Wallace at the deadline because the Bobcats wanted Batum, should be the same now.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: David Lee

Hmm. Blazers making a push for Wallace.

Joel and Travis? for GW

Then get Lee in a S&T for Blake and cash


Run Rudy, Roy and Bayless at the point for a year to see if it can work.

More and more it sounds like KP is dead certain that Bayless is the future at PG. I haven't heard even a whisper of looking at a young vet or up and coming PG like Sessions only Ancient PG's who can steady the tiller until Bayless takes over.

I wonder if KP is targeting young(ish) PG's and we just don't hear it.

The situation you are describing isn't a bad one. Hate to give up Joel though unless you are getting someone like Battier or Crash in return or a starting quality PG. I think we could get Battier for Joel straight up since Houston is in a desperate situation. Not sure whether I prefer the veteran leadership, BBIQ and clutch shooting of Battier or the death on wheels take it to the hole at any cost speed and athleticism of Crash. With Wallace's concussion history you have to be a tad leary.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

I agree, but I have two concerns:

1) Joel is still badly needed if Oden continues to progress slowly.

2) LA would take a beating at center and he'd be pretty darn unhappy about it. Plus, he scores a lot from the outside and we wouldn't want our center that far out.

But Oden hasn't progressed slowly. Considering it was his first year and he was coming off a major injury he actually looked better and better as the year went on, at least to me.

LA, in interviews, has talked about wanting to play closer to the rim. Why do you think he would be unhappy about it.

 

[Sinobas]

Re: David Lee

I've mentioned this in another thread, but perimeter shooting is really not that important.

The L*kers Nuggets, Magic and Cavs all had lower 3pt %than we did. The constant for most finals teams over the past several years has been FTA.

I mean LA has ass rapist, but after that none of the guys jump out as great shooters either.

No shit, that's because they all have superstars that go to the line every time they are breathed on.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: David Lee

No shit, that's because they all have superstars that go to the line every time they are breathed on.

Portland has one of those, too, in Roy. Oden, I think, will become one, too. Once he gets past the "called for a foul every time he breathes on someone' phase, that is.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

stupid question - since we can offer unbalanced trades, how unbalanced can they be?

We can take in about $8M more in salary than we send out.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: David Lee

More and more it sounds like KP is dead certain that Bayless is the future at PG. I haven't heard even a whisper of looking at a young vet or up and coming PG like Sessions only Ancient PG's who can steady the tiller until Bayless takes over.

I wonder if KP is targeting young(ish) PG's and we just don't hear it.

The situation you are describing isn't a bad one. Hate to give up Joel though unless you are getting someone like Battier or Crash in return or a starting quality PG. I think we could get Battier for Joel straight up since Houston is in a desperate situation. Not sure whether I prefer the veteran leadership, BBIQ and clutch shooting of Battier or the death on wheels take it to the hole at any cost speed and athleticism of Crash. With Wallace's concussion history you have to be a tad leary.

Joel for Battier?

I'd personally never do that deal. Battier is nice, but I don't think Batum is far off from being a Battier type player, perhaps even by next year.

 

[BengalDuck]

Nicolas really struggled in the second half of the season with his jump shot, so I don't know if it'd hurt too much having Wallace at SF. I think we have enough shooters on this team. We need another threat outside Brandon who can take it to the hoop.
And if we got a guy like Wallace, Nate better hell make these guys run out on the fast break.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4487/splits;_ylt=AhikWRI1BpF2cJJ3v.Z0BUfkPaB4

Other than the month of November (43% shooting, before rigors of NBA life wore on him). He actually shot better in the last few months then during any other part of the year.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

We can take in about $8M more in salary than we send out.

And nearly $10 million if Portland renounces Koponen/Freeland. I don't think Portland will do it out of hand, but if they needed the extra $2 million or so to consummate a deal, it's an option.

Or can renouncing rights to international players only be done prior to July 1? My impression was that it could be done at any time.