Merged: Quick on 1080 / Gerald Wallace and David Lee speculation

[Idog1976]

Re: David Lee

Wait, I have more

Joel and Travis for Wallace

Blake and cash for Lee

Webster and a pick for Sessions

Sessions/Bayless
Roy/Rudy
Wallace/Batum
Aldridge/Lee
Oden/Lee

Wait...are you serious Webster for Sessions? I know they brew alot of beer in Milwaukee but come on!

I think Outlaw, Blake and picks/rights to euro's/ and $3million is the only way Milwaukee even considers a sign and trade for Sessions.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

Yeah, that's the question to me, too. In a vacuum, Przybilla seems like a very Larry Brown kind of player...hard-nosed, veteran and defensive-minded. But he duplicates Okafor a bit too much. If Charlotte had an offensive-minded big man, I could more easily see it.

For this reason, and in this scenario, I think Przy would be best off used to secure a big or a 1.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: David Lee

No shit, that's because they all have superstars that go to the line every time they are breathed on.

Really? Melo doesn't draw unrealistic fouls. Lebron and Howard are the only one's I can think of that do that.

Roy 6.5 attempts per game
Rapist 6.9 attempts per game
Melo 7.1 attempts per game

It's not like it's outragous.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

Yeah, that was a tough one. I think Milwaukee could get motivated with picks and cash though. Rudy for Sessions works also. Webster IS a SG, so he could take Rudy's minutes.

Yeah. I really don't want to trade Webster now. One, we need him, as you said, to back up Roy. And, secondly, his value is at an all-time low. If they'd take Webster for him, great, but I just don't see why they'd take his long-term deal, considering he may never play even to his below-average level again.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: David Lee

Joel for Battier?

I'd personally never do that deal. Battier is nice, but I don't think Batum is far off from being a Battier type player, perhaps even by next year.

I think Battier is one of the most under rated players in the league even after the New York Times story "The no-stats All-star). His Intangibles, BBIQ and Clutchness are all off the charts (Ok maybe he is just quite clutch not off the charts). I think Battier is a perfect round peg in a round hole fit on this team. He gives us 2 to 3 years to groom Batum he brings toughness, intensity and veteran leadership both on the floor and off it. He generals the defense the way Roy generals the offense. He will also help Oden grow on his defensive skills. He steals plays from other teams and hits clutch threes (Hello? Remeber, he cost us the series!!!). He rarely makes mistakes.

He is old and lacks athleticism but makes up for it due to the aforementioned areas/skills.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: David Lee

Yeah. I really don't want to trade Webster now. One, we need him, as you said, to back up Roy. And, secondly, his value is at an all-time low. If they'd take Webster for him, great, but I just don't see why they'd take his long-term deal, considering he may never play even to his below-average level again.

Bayless can easily back up Roy.

 

[RoyToy]

Re: David Lee

I think Battier is one of the most under rated players in the league even after the New York Times story "The no-stats All-star). His Intangibles, BBIQ and Clutchness are all off the charts (Ok maybe he is just quite clutch not off the charts). I think Battier is a perfect round peg in a round hole fit on this team. He gives us 2 to 3 years to groom Batum he brings toughness, intensity and veteran leadership both on the floor and off it. He generals the defense the way Roy generals the offense. He will also help Oden grow on his defensive skills. He steals plays from other teams and hits clutch threes (Hello? Remeber, he cost us the series!!!). He rarely makes mistakes.

He is old and lacks athleticism but makes up for it due to the aforementioned areas/skills.

He's a nice role player, but I think Przybilla is just too much to lose for just a player like Battier. The Blazers lose too much size.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

I think we could get Battier for Joel straight up since Houston is in a desperate situation. Not sure whether I prefer the veteran leadership, BBIQ and clutch shooting of Battier or the death on wheels take it to the hole at any cost speed and athleticism of Crash. With Wallace's concussion history you have to be a tad leary.

But why help Houston?

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I would trade either Batum or Rudy for G.Wallace. You have to give to get and I'm sorry as much as I love both of those players neither would have the impact Wallace would have. I think we are way to high on some of our own players. Wallace would instantly solve two positions SF and back up PF.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

And nearly $10 million if Portland renounces Koponen/Freeland. I don't think Portland will do it out of hand, but if they needed the extra $2 million or so to consummate a deal, it's an option.

Or can renouncing rights to international players only be done prior to July 1? My impression was that it could be done at any time.

I just don't want to lose any of those prospects. And I don't think we need to. For instance sending just Rudy to Charlotte works just fine I believe.

And, I believe we can renounce an international player at any point and release him and his caphold.

 

[alex42083]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4487/splits;_ylt=AhikWRI1BpF2cJJ3v.Z0BUfkPaB4

Other than the month of November (43% shooting, before rigors of NBA life wore on him). He actually shot better in the last few months then during any other part of the year.

Hmm.. Nicolas did have a pretty good March, shooting-wise. But those December through February percentages are pretty brutal.
His jumper just wasn't reliable enough, which is partly why he didn't play all that much after his six-minute shifts in the first and third quarters. I'm sure he'll be a lot better in his career. If he gets around his FG% around 45-48 and his 3PT% around 40-42, he'd be quite the hell of a player.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: David Lee

Bayless can easily back up Roy.

Fine. But, there's still no way Webby's dealt, not with his value in the tank. That's not how I predict Pritch would manage him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: David Lee

Fine. But, there's still no way Webby's dealt, not with his value in the tank. That's not how I predict Pritch would manage him.

I agree, unless it's for a clear upgrade like Wallace or Harris or something. I am just trying to have fun with htis whole KP is sitting on his ass doing nothing stuff

 

[Boob-No-More]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

And nearly $10 million if Portland renounces Koponen/Freeland. I don't think Portland will do it out of hand, but if they needed the extra $2 million or so to consummate a deal, it's an option.

Or can renouncing rights to international players only be done prior to July 1? My impression was that it could be done at any time.

Didn't Toronto renounce Delfino last Friday (7/3) to clear cap space for Hedo. If so, that would indicate we can still renounce Koponen and/or Freeland if we need a little extra cap space to facilitate a deal.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

At least we're all on the same page in that we all seem to be Wallace fans. Hedo was as 50/50 as it gets.

Um... He's okay... I don't think he fits with our style. He's sort of a rich man's Renaldo Balkman: high on hustle but not exactly high BBall IQ. There's a reason Larry Brown has wanted to trade him since the moment he arrived. He's the Anti-Hedo. I CERTAINLY wouldn't give up EITHER Rudy or Batum for him. If I knew Webster would fully recover, I'd even think twice about him because we need a great shooter.

Didn't he play a lot of PF for the Bobcats? I think because he didn't have the ball skills to play SF. Like another non-fave of mine, Shawn Marion.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Re: Quick on 1080(take it for w/e it's worth)

Didn't Toronto renounce Delfino last Friday (7/3) to clear cap space for Hedo. If so, that would indicate we can still renounce Koponen and/or Freeland if we need a little extra cap space to facilitate a deal.

Talking of Delfino: he looked great playing for Argentina in the Olympics (after Manu went down) - certainly better than he ever looked for the Pistons. They even had him playing PG.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I guess my only real question is this - why do/would the Bobcats want to part with Wallace? Not Brown's "guy" or what?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Crash is completely different from Hedo, yes, but his impact is just as great if not greater. I believe the real reason Hedo was sought after for wasn't because he was the supreme available player, but because he could be had without giving up any assets other than salary. Now, I think we're faced with having to focus lop-sided trades and giving up more assets than we originally planned.

With this addition we don't get the playmaking of Hedo, but we do improve the team in three other areas. Offensive consistency from the small forward spot, perimeter defense, and another offensive weapon to ease Brandon and LaMarcus's load. We add all this without giving up rebounding, defense, or offensive efficiency.

I'd still like to add another layer of perimeter defense, especially to contend with all those pesky 1s out there. Sandwiching in Roy with Wallace and Hinrich would be perfect IMO.

 

[RoyToy]

I guess my only real question is this - why do/would the Bobcats want to part with Wallace? Not Brown's "guy" or what?

I guess they could try and make a run at the 2010 FA market? That's really the only thing I can think of.

 

[Blaze01]

I wouldn't trade Batum for Gerald Wallace, nor would I trade Rudy...

Przybilla, if POR could ink David Lee first, I would certainly do...Travis Outlaw, or Martell Webster or both, I would do...

What about POR signing David Lee for the max amount (or close to it) that they have (to discourage NY) and then trading him to Charlotte for Gerald Wallace and change? Could they do that?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I guess my only real question is this - why do/would the Bobcats want to part with Wallace? Not Brown's "guy" or what?

Charlotte's paying out $65M in salary. That's including Felton signed at around $5M, which is probably about right. They're approaching the luxury tax area as it is, but I'm sure they'd much prefer to be at or below the salary cap. They were one of the rumored teams to be hurting for money. If they could replace Wallace with say Fernandez they'd not only drop to a more manageable operating expense, but the next year, they'd be under the salary cap and have money to spend in free agency.

 

[RoyToy]

Quick has updated the speculation and is now saying that the Bobcats are not entertaining offers for Gerald Wallace. Larry Brown sees him as the center piece of the team.

 

[Minstrel]

Quick has updated the speculation and is now saying that the Bobcats are not entertaining offers for Gerald Wallace. Larry Brown sees him as the center piece of the team.

That makes sense. Wallace is exactly the kind of player Brown would like. I figured that for Wallace to be on the block it would have to be because Charlotte desperately needed to dump salary. No such luck, I guess.

 

[Wheels]

Quick has updated the speculation and is now saying that the Bobcats are not entertaining offers for Gerald Wallace. Larry Brown sees him as the center piece of the team.

man I just finished updating his Info on Nba 2k9!

 

[RoyToy]

He also speculated that KP may try and go back and get Devin Harris, but that was total speculation and only based on knowing KP is a Devin Harris fan. He's heard no rumors of it happening, just total speculation and guessing on his part.

Just wanted to make it clear before people get all bent out of shape about Quick again.

 

[Minstrel]

He also speculated that KP may try and go back and get Devin Harris, but that was total speculation and only based on knowing KP is a Devin Harris fan. He's heard no rumors of it happening, just total speculation and guessing on his part.

Just wanted to make it clear before people get all bent out of shape about Quick again.

Quick is what you get if you take one of the posters here who love to build hypothetical trades and give him/her a media outlet.

 

[Sug]

Before Gerald Wallace was a well known player, he was picking up scraps in Sactown. At age 22 he packed his bags and headed to Charlotte, where he has almost started in every game he has played. Let's look at Wallace's first year as a starter, compared to Nic's. Focus on the minutes played

Totals

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 161 361 .446 62 168 .369  42  52 .808  84 136 220  74  50  40  50 139 426
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 2147 286 637 .449 17  62 .274 191 289 .661 118 268 386 137 117  91 159 182 780

Per Game

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 18.4 2.0 4.6 .446 0.8 2.1 .369 0.5 0.7 .808 1.1 1.7 2.8 0.9 0.6 0.5 0.6 1.8  5.4
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 30.7 4.1 9.1 .449 0.2 0.9 .274 2.7 4.1 .661 1.7 3.8 5.5 2.0 1.7 1.3 2.3 2.6 11.1

Advanced

Rk           Player  Season Age  G   MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg  OWS DWS  WS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 1454 12.9 .555 .532  7.0 11.8  9.4  7.8  1.9  2.2 11.5 14.0  117  107  2.0 1.6 3.5
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 2147 14.1 .510 .462  6.0 15.1 10.3 10.4  2.8  3.2 17.2 19.1   97  104 -0.2 2.7 2.5

 

[Reep]

Quick is what you get if you take one of the posters here who love to build hypothetical trades, without any understanding of or interest in the CBA, and give him/her a media outlet.

Fixed

 

[Reep]

Before Gerald Wallace was a well known player, he was picking up scraps in Sactown. At age 22 he packed his bags and headed to Charlotte, where he has almost started in every game he has played. Let's look at Wallace's first year as a starter, compared to Nic's. Focus on the minutes played

Totals

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG% 3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 1454 161 361 .446 62 168 .369  42  52 .808  84 136 220  74  50  40  50 139 426
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 2147 286 637 .449 17  62 .274 191 289 .661 118 268 386 137 117  91 159 182 780

Per Game

Rk           Player  Season Age  G GS   MP  FG FGA  FG%  3P 3PA  3P%  FT FTA  FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV  PF  PTS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 76 18.4 2.0 4.6 .446 0.8 2.1 .369 0.5 0.7 .808 1.1 1.7 2.8 0.9 0.6 0.5 0.6 1.8  5.4
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 68 30.7 4.1 9.1 .449 0.2 0.9 .274 2.7 4.1 .661 1.7 3.8 5.5 2.0 1.7 1.3 2.3 2.6 11.1

Advanced

Rk           Player  Season Age  G   MP  PER  TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg  OWS DWS  WS
1     Nicolas Batum 2008-09  20 79 1454 12.9 .555 .532  7.0 11.8  9.4  7.8  1.9  2.2 11.5 14.0  117  107  2.0 1.6 3.5
2    Gerald Wallace 2004-05  22 70 2147 14.1 .510 .462  6.0 15.1 10.3 10.4  2.8  3.2 17.2 19.1   97  104 -0.2 2.7 2.5

I'm not sure I get your point. Wallace was two years older, and played 50% more minutes per game. Exactly how do you compare these numbers and what do they show? The only clear thing I see is that Wallace goes to he line a lot more, but shoots much poorer percentages from 3pt and FT, and turns the ball over a lot more.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Re: David Lee

beat me too it MM.. it would have to mean Joel is going somewhere.

Factor in Nate Robinson into a NY deal with Lee - and I think we have something!


Nate R. / Bayless / Mills
Roy / Rudy (and yes, at times run with Roy/Rudy as 1 & 2)
Wallace/Batum/Webs
LMA/Pendergraph
Oden/Lee

nice group.