Merged: Quick on 1080 / Gerald Wallace and David Lee speculation

[Crimson the Cat]

I would not be opposed to adding Nate Robinson to the team. We would be better, whether he's a starter or reserve.

 

[SodaPopinski]

I have to say ... and maybe it's because this management team is much more secretive than previous ones ... but our local media literally has zero inside information about this team. They piggy-back on rumors from national writers or writers from other markets or they do pure speculation that anyone on this forum could do.

It's really quite pathetic, and it makes me think that they really aren't working very hard at The O, The Fan, KGW, KATU, KOIN, The Columbian and The Trib.

Obviously there is some info out there to be had. Ric Bucher, Adrian Wanfeioanfieanpfvneapvah from Yahoo!, Henry Abbott, etc. All of those dudes have scooped local media in just the past week.

C'mon guys! Do your homework!

 

[Sug]

I'm not sure I get your point. Wallace was two years older, and played 50% more minutes per game. Exactly how do you compare these numbers and what do they show? The only clear thing I see is that Wallace goes to he line a lot more, but shoots much poorer percentages from 3pt and FT, and turns the ball over a lot more.

My point is that Nic is almost two years ahead of where Wallace was, and I expect in another two years will be the better of the two.

 

[alex42083]

I have to say ... and maybe it's because this management team is much more secretive than previous ones ... but our local media literally has zero inside information about this team. They piggy-back on rumors from national writers or writers from other markets or they do pure speculation that anyone on this forum could do.

It's really quite pathetic, and it makes me think that they really aren't working very hard at The O, The Fan, KGW, KATU, KOIN, The Columbian and The Trib.

Obviously there is some info out there to be had. Ric Bucher, Adrian Wanfeioanfieanpfvneapvah from Yahoo!, Henry Abbott, etc. All of those dudes have scooped local media in just the past week.

C'mon guys! Do your homework!

Yeah, I agree. Our local media is pathetic when it comes to breaking news, rumors type stuff. They have no sources. TV guys are pathetic anyways and usually don't break anything, but no excuse for the newspaper people to be so useless with the national folks scooping them all the time.
Where's the pride Quick and Freeman?

 

[Reep]

My point is that Nic is almost two years ahead of where Wallace was, and I expect in another two years will be the better of the two.

I agree in a general PER sense. They are very different players, so it is hard to compare them. Crash is a contact guy. Batum will likely always be athletic with finesse.

In two years I think I would rather have the more complete player with the better outside shot, than the shot-blocking, stealing human pin-ball. I like both though.

 

[RoyToy]

Quick is now reporting and said he just talked with Miller's agent and the Blazers and Miller's agent had extensive talks on Saturday and the Blazers look to be exploring that option now.

 

[illmatic99]

ahahaha. These agents are using Quick to pimp their agents.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: David Lee

But why help Houston?

It's not about helping Houston it's about finding a willing trade partner. Without Yao, and especially without Battier (In this scenario he is now our guy) Houston isn't a threat.

He's a nice role player, but I think Przybilla is just too much to lose for just a player like Battier. The Blazers lose too much size.

I wouldn't trade Joel unless we had secured at least a near starter quality PF if not a great backup PF/C or outright C. LMA contrary to popular belief is more then just an adequate backup center he is actually quite good. The reason we got killed the last two years when he played center is because he had Frye or Outlaw as his partner in the post. Frye and Outlaw make LMA look like Moses Malone in terms of rebounding. If LMA had a real PF like Lee/Millsap/Landry/Bass/Haslem or even Chuck Hayes, then we could get away with LMA being our primary back up at center. I think adding Battier for three years is worth it. Joel is a luxury a wonderful luxury but you have to consider trading him if we pick up another quality big especially a PF/C or pure C.

 

[Wheels]

Re: David Lee

It's not about helping Houston it's about finding a willing trade partner. Without Yao, and especially without Battier (In this scenario he is now our guy) Houston isn't a threat.



I wouldn't trade Joel unless we had secured at least a near starter quality PF if not a great backup PF/C or outright C. LMA contrary to popular belief is more then just an adequate backup center he is actually quite good. The reason we got killed the last two years when he played center is because he had Frye or Outlaw as his partner in the post. Frye and Outlaw make LMA look like Moses Malone in terms of rebounding. If LMA had a real PF like Lee/Millsap/Landry/Bass/Haslem or even Chuck Hayes, then we could get away with LMA being our primary back up at center. I think adding Battier for three years is worth it. Joel is a luxury a wonderful luxury but you have to consider trading him if we pick up another quality big especially a PF/C or pure C.

actually decent points on why we got killed when LMA went to the 5

 

[Idog1976]

Quick is what you get if you take one of the posters here who love to build hypothetical trades and give him/her a media outlet.

How did you know I was Jason Quick? I tried so hard to actually make sense and entertain reasonable ideas...I guess my endless array of trade possibilities without even the slightest documentation is what gave me away. Well, since I've been outted I will just have to go work on my next piece trashing Greg Oden.

 

[Idog1976]

Re: David Lee

actually decent points on why we got killed when LMA went to the 5

I think a lot of teams would kill to have LMA as their starting center let alone a back up. Thanks for the props

 

[EWT]

I'd give up batum for G Wallace in a heartbeat. How many chances to you get to snag an all star caliber player in his prime? Do you really expect nic to average 16pts, 7reb, 3ast, 2stl and a block per game? I say chances are Wallace will be great when we want to contend and hopefully nic will one day reach that level.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I am a little sad because that makes Miller plan F. That can't be a good omen.

 

[Minstrel]

Do you really expect nic to average 16pts, 7reb, 3ast, 2stl and a block per game?

In 5 years? Sure. Perhaps even sooner than that. In the meantime, he'll be improving toward that level and playing similarly excellent defense. Wallace is unquestionably better today, but I'm not willing to give up a player I think is relatively likely to be a similarly good player and is significantly younger.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I am a little sad because that makes Miller plan F. That can't be a good omen.

I agree. 1) It's either sad because I think Miller should have been a solid Plan B or C at worst or 2) it's sad that KP seems to be very committed to addressing the small forward position first so he doesn't have to make the hard decision to trade Steve Blake (that's my opinion anyway).

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree. 1) It's either sad because I think Miller should have been a solid Plan B or C at worst or 2) it's sad that KP seems to be very committed to addressing the small forward position first so he doesn't have to make the hard decision to trade Steve Blake (that's my opinion anyway).

Miller is a tough call for me. He has what we are missing on offense. He attacks the rim, draws fouls, and can pass in traffic. He can run a break and can shoot FT's well enough. His defense isn't worse than Blake's, so the only thing we would lack from him is the deep ball. With Roy, Fernandez, Webster if still here, Batum, Aldridge a little and even Bayless (who shot well from deep in college) I don't think it's that big of an issue. If KP holds on to Blake (yuck) that adds even more shooting.

BUt like you, I am excited there is fina;y a mention of some help at the possition most feel we need the most help at.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If Andre Miller is the best we can do from not trading RLEC I'm going to be pissed!

KP, you're better than this!

 

[Nikolokolus]

If Andre Miller is the best we can do from not trading RLEC I'm going to be pissed!

KP, you're better than this!

I agree if that's the only thing that happens this off-season I'll be pretty disappointed.

But if he can do a sign and trade or a straight up signing to get him and then use other assets to trade for a more polished starting small forward or a really solid backup 4 (or possibly even a flex forward type who can play both spots) then I think it could still end up being a good off-season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If Andre Miller is the best we can do from not trading RLEC I'm going to be pissed!

KP, you're better than this!

I'm not sure KP is better than this?

He hasn't really shown that he is all that great at anything but judging talent. I don't mean this as a slam against KP, but more of an observation.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm not sure KP is better than this?

He hasn't really shown that he is all that great at anything but judging talent. I don't mean this as a slam against KP, but more of an observation.

I'm still willing to withold judgement until we see what materializes this off-season, but I've been slowly building to this same conclusion.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The Lakers/Spurs have improved by a lot. What is KP doing? We're on plan-C at the moment.

Maybe plan-E is where things really start cooking?

 

[RoyToy]

I'm not sure KP is better than this?

He hasn't really shown that he is all that great at anything but judging talent. I don't mean this as a slam against KP, but more of an observation.

#1 thing I want in a GM.

 

[barfo]

I agree. 1) It's either sad because I think Miller should have been a solid Plan B or C at worst or 2) it's sad that KP seems to be very committed to addressing the small forward position first so he doesn't have to make the hard decision to trade Steve Blake (that's my opinion anyway).

I don't see (a) why Blake would need to be traded - we have 5 open roster spots, or (b) why KP would have a hard time trading him if he did need to be.

barfo

 

[THE HCP]

BRING ME WALLACE NOW!!!

 

[BlazersBlood]

I'm not sure KP is better than this?

He hasn't really shown that he is all that great at anything but judging talent. I don't mean this as a slam against KP, but more of an observation.

I believe it isn't necessarily his ability to close out a trade, but it is overall philosophy of having the owner, GM, and coach all on the same page when assembling a roster. I really believe that Nate has had too much input on which players to go after and which ones to keep.

 

[B-Roy]

I believe it isn't necessarily his ability to close out a trade, but it is overall philosophy of having the owner, GM, and coach all on the same page when assembling a roster. I really believe that Nate has had too much input on which players to go after and which ones to keep.

Stop with this. At some point, Kevin Pritchard has to be held responsible for much of this. Trying to make Nate take most of the blame is just stupid.

 

[BlazersBlood]

Stop with this. At some point, Kevin Pritchard has to be held responsible for much of this. Trying to make Nate take most of the blame is just stupid.

Well it is part of the philosophy, so I'm not trying to deflect blame from Pritchard. It's his philosophy, so he has to take responsibility. I'm just pointing out that this isn't a 1 man show like it was back with Bob Whittsit. Kevin is a big believer of chemistry within the entire organization.

At some point Kevin does need to override McMillan if Paul Allen is giving him the green light and go with his gut if he feels that he has a chance to get a major talent upgrade.

 

[B-Roy]

Well it is part of the philosophy, so I'm not trying to deflect blame from Pritchard. It's his philosophy, so he has to take responsibility. I'm just pointing out that this isn't a 1 man show like it was back with Bob Whittsit. Kevin is a big believer of chemistry within the entire organization.

At some point Kevin does need to override McMillan if Paul Allen is giving him the green light and go with his gut if he feels that he has a chance to get a major talent upgrade.

How are you even sure Nate has a big say in the talent we acquire anyways? I'm sure he has some input, but it probably isn't as much as some people think.

 

[BlazersBlood]

How are you even sure Nate has a big say in the talent we acquire anyways? I'm sure he has some input, but it probably isn't as much as some people think.

I don't really know for sure, but everything Pritchard has talked about was that everybody within the organization has a voice. It was in an interview a while back, but Kevin went on and on about it was important for the entire organization to be aligned from the owner, to the management, to the coaches, to the scouts, and all the way down to the players. Every interview you here from Pritchard when it comes to signing or drafting players, he always mentions how Nate feels about it in some form. Pritchard just seems like there is always constant dialogue going on to ensure that the right move is being made. It doesn't seem like lip-service to me, but I don't really know for sure but that's the impression that I get from it all.

 

[WillG]

Miller would feel like a consolation prize at this point.
If we really can pry Wallace away from the bobcats(Joel, Outlaw+ picks cash) then that would be a way better acquisition than Turk.
Possibility of Wallace without dealing Batum?, then KP , go in guns Blazin'!