Merged: Really: why NOT Odom?

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@Jack_Phonics LO's agent talked to Blazers on 4th. Suns = not in mix. SA likes him, but it would take a S&T + Lakers aren't doing that 4 SA.
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-RicBucher's twitter.
 
I agree, why not Odom? He's a consummate teammate. He can do it all.

He's versatile(can play 3 or 4), is tall, good defender, good rebounder, and is a good passer.

I really don't see why people wouldn't want him.

Having said all that, I just don't see him leaving LA.
 
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Da_O said:
I agree, why not Odom? He's a consummate teammate. He can do it all.

He's versatile(can play 3 or 4), is tall, good defender, good rebounder, and is a good passer.

I really don't see why people wouldn't want him.

After having said all that, I just don't see him leaving LA.
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I'd love him, but I as you said, I just don't see him leaving LA.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I'd love him, but I as you said, I just don't see him leaving LA.
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The worst thing that could happen is that we make the Lakers overpay, so I think we should go after him anyways.
 
Once the salary cap is announced on July 8th, can we offer more money than what LA can offer?
 
Da_O said:
Once the salary cap is announced on July 8th, can we offer more money than what LA can offer?
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LA has his bird rights, so they CAN offer the max. They aren't going to splurge that much though, since they are deep in the tax.
 
The reason why I thought Turk would be such a good acquisition was because of his versatility, Odom has similar abilities. I don't like his 'tude and taking games off randomly but I don't think he would be expected to be a 2nd or even a 3rd option on offense. This may be a good thing as it could involve Greg Oden much more on the offensive end. I would certainly look at Odom, but I would first appreciate it if the Blazers can take care of their starting PG hole first. Ramon Session and Lamar Odom would be a great off season.
 
B-Roy said:
LA has his bird rights, so they CAN offer the max. They aren't going to splurge that much though, since they are deep in the tax.
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Hmmm, well they get a lot of revenue, and with signing Artest, I think their next mission was to either keep Ariza or Odom. Now that Ariza is in Houston I think they are dead set in a repeat that they will resign Odom even if it means going more into the luxury.

What I would love to see happen is us get Odom, then pursue either Sessions or Hinrich(preferably Hinrich, I think he'd fit better) with using Outlaw and Blake as trade bait.

Then Odom could play similar minutes to what Outlaw did last year at the 3 and 4.

PG Hinrich or Sessions/ Bayless
SG Roy/Rudy
SF Batum/Odom/Webster
PF Aldridge/Odom
C Oden/Przybilla
 
He looks good on paper, because, he has a very good rebounding % rate, and can fill our need at backup PF and SF. Also, with is ball handling skills, he should be able to fill the role we wanted Hedo to play.

But if he's really as inconsistent as you guys say, that's a bit turn off. We already have a players at his position that bring it once every 5 games.

But the dude really turned it on for the playoffs, so you have to respect that. He'd be our resident "bad boy", and would bring the "toughness" McMillen talked about.
 
Interesting that Bucher "tweeted"
LO's agent talked to Blazers
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...not the other way round. Might just be poor wording, but it's got me hopeful.
 
Sinobas said:
But if he's really as inconsistent as you guys say, that's a bit turn off. We already have a players at his position that bring it once every 5 games.
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The difference is level of play. When Odom is "inconsistent," he's still pretty good. When Odom is on top of his game, he's one of the best in the league, period. The guy is only 1" shorter than most centers, has great length, and is quick off the floor and an aggressive rebounder. Combine that with pretty good defense, excellent ballhanding, good passing, and versatile offense, and we'd be crazy not to go after him even if we know LA will eventually match.
 
handiman said:
The difference is level of play. When Odom is "inconsistent," he's still pretty good. When Odom is on top of his game, he's one of the best in the league, period. The guy is only 1" shorter than most centers, has great length, and is quick off the floor and an aggressive rebounder. Combine that with pretty good defense, excellent ballhanding, good passing, and versatile offense, and we'd be crazy not to go after him even if we know LA will eventually match.
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I disagree. Odom is a wild card and he has repeatedly say he wants to stay in LA and win at least one more ring. Sessions is a different matter he plays for a god awful Milwaukee team and it's in Milwaukee. I'm shocked that Toronto > Portland but that might just be the Turkish or European point of view. I've been around quite a bit and Portland is very nice for livability always ranking high on national lists. For Odom though there is no question that LA is better on virtually every front. Going after Odom hard would be a mistake and give LA another way to strike at us (stringing us along and then matching).
 
Idog1976 said:
I disagree. Odom is a wild card and he has repeatedly say he wants to stay in LA and win at least one more ring.
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I'm not sure which part you're disagreeing with... As I've already said, LA will most likely match any offer for Odom. That doesn't mean he's not worth going after, though. Either we get lucky and sign him, or we make LA overpay to retain him. Win-win.

I don't have the familiarity with Sessions to know if he's worth going after... His stats and reported strengths/weaknesses don't excite me much, however. We need a veteran, not a young guy with potential that is maybe a year or two more advanced than Bayless in that department.

I'm shocked that Toronto > Portland but that might just be the Turkish or European point of view.
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I have relatives in Toronto and can't imagine why people view it as such a desirable place to live. Endless sprawl and horrible weather pretty much any time of the year... Lovely.
 
handiman said:
I'm not sure which part you're disagreeing with... As I've already said, LA will most likely match any offer for Odom. That doesn't mean he's not worth going after, though. Either we get lucky and sign him, or we make LA overpay to retain him. Win-win.

I don't have the familiarity with Sessions to know if he's worth going after... His stats and reported strengths/weaknesses don't excite me much, however. We need a veteran, not a young guy with potential that is maybe a year or two more advanced than Bayless in that department.


I have relatives in Toronto and can't imagine why people view it as such a desirable place to live. Endless sprawl and horrible weather pretty much any time of the year... Lovely.
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The difference is our chances are about 1% with Odom to about 70% chance that Milwaukee will at least do a sign and trade since we can offer quite a pretty penny. LA can match any offer we throw Odom's way and if they sign him and it locks them over the cap they still have the MLE etc. It's not like LA really needs to improve they are definitely the favorites next year without anyone really close. I think Boston is done even with Sheed, nobody else is that close to LA. Maybe, SA if they stay healthy and integrate Jefferson well.
 
Idog1976 said:
The difference is our chances are about 1% with Odom to about 70% chance that Milwaukee will at least do a sign and trade since we can offer quite a pretty penny. LA can match any offer we throw Odom's way and if they sign him and it locks them over the cap they still have the MLE etc. It's not like LA really needs to improve they are definitely the favorites next year without anyone really close. I think Boston is done even with Sheed, nobody else is that close to LA. Maybe, SA if they stay healthy and integrate Jefferson well.
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I don't think you understand what Milwaukee has done in order to make way to sign Sessions.

They traded away Jefferson and even refused to give CV the qualifying offer, because it might have cost then money they could use to get Sessions. I don't think there's any way Milwaukee doesn't match whatever we have to offer, and they aren't going to get excited with Outlaw/Blake S/T.
 
It might be a better strategy, to wait for Odom to get pissed off at the Laker's "low ball offer" then bolt to the Blazers to get even. That's how we got Detlef Schrempf, though he didn't play that well for us.
 
B-Roy said:
I don't think you understand what Milwaukee has done in order to make way to sign Sessions.

They traded away Jefferson and even refused to give CV the qualifying offer, because it might have cost then money they could use to get Sessions. I don't think there's any way Milwaukee doesn't match whatever we have to offer, and they aren't going to get excited with Outlaw/Blake S/T.
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They can match it but unlike LA with Odom they are not even close to contending and are owned by one of the struggling owners in the NBA. It's not a matter of can Milwaukee match but are they will to match if we offer: 5y/$40M if it's structured as 5.5M/6.0M/8.5M/9.0M/9.5M. They might match that but will they in this economy? We are talking SPAM vs. I believe some Realtor owners. Anyone know if the Bucks owner is broke? I might be getting them confused with the Pacers owner...
 
B-Roy said:
I don't think you understand what Milwaukee has done in order to make way to sign Sessions.

They traded away Jefferson and even refused to give CV the qualifying offer, because it might have cost then money they could use to get Sessions. I don't think there's any way Milwaukee doesn't match whatever we have to offer, and they aren't going to get excited with Outlaw/Blake S/T.
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They also just drafted a PG with their lottery pick and they have a financially uphill battle.

I don't think that they necessarily made the CV and RJ moves BECAUSE of Sessions... I think they made it because they're tired of losing tens of millions of dollars with a losing team. If my interpretation is correct, they might not match a large offer sheet.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
They also just drafted a PG with their lottery pick and they have a financially uphill battle.

I don't think that they necessarily made the CV and RJ moves BECAUSE of Sessions... I think they made it because they're tired of losing tens of millions of dollars with a losing team. If my interpretation is correct, they might not match a large offer sheet.

Ed O.
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Well one of the owners is:

Herbert H. "Herb" Kohl (born February 7, 1935) is an American politician, business leader and philanthropist. He currently serves as the senior senator from the state of Wisconsin as a member of the Democratic Party, and is the owner of the Milwaukee Bucks National Basketball Association (NBA) team. Kohl is currently the richest Member of Congress.[1]
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(Emphasis mine)

The question is will he pay 40 million over 5 years? I had heard Realty was what the owners were in to but that must be some other team (The Maloofs in SacTown?).
 
Ed O said:
Kohl has a net worth of $279m.

This list is old, but Kohl was the 6th-poorest owner in the NBA in 2004-05 (I lumped the Maloofs together).

He doesn't have the revenue streams of Toronto and Chicago, two owners that have similar net worths.

Ed O.
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Wow, that makes me want to try for Sessions even more! You gotta throw an offer at him. Odom I think is fools gold and a dangerous bit at that because LA can intentionally block us. Milwaukee might do it to us but they would have less reason to then LA.
 
Not sure about some of your love affairs with Sessions. Not enough body of work to blow all our space for years to come.

Odom is three times the player that Outlaw, Batum, and Webster. With Oden and LA, it would make us one of the best rebounding teams in the league. To me, Rebounds are one of the most important team stats.

Odom also had to play with the most selfish player in the NBA and was a true team player. Was the second best player in the Finals behind Kobe.

Aside from a weed issue 6 years ago, he has been a pretty model citizen. This is Brandons team. Odum is a great 2-3. Makes too much sense. Severely weakens one of our biggest rivals. Artest isn't half the player that Odom is.

KP got Turkslapped. This would be a good comeuppance.
 
Odom's skills would help Portland. He still seems to not be the right fit. Pritchard isn't going to bring him into the locker room. Nope. Nate's not PJax. This is just my gut instinct, but I'd be concerned whether he'd be motivated to continue playing at a high level now that he's earned his ring and new long term contract.
 
Ed O said:
Kohl has a net worth of $279m.

This list is old, but Kohl was the 6th-poorest owner in the NBA in 2004-05 (I lumped the Maloofs together).

He doesn't have the revenue streams of Toronto and Chicago, two owners that have similar net worths.

Ed O.
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Whoa. Never seen that list before, cool stuff. It's crazy how much richer PA is, much more of a gap then I thought.

Side note: How random is it that both Bill Davidson and Dan Gilbert both got bachelor degrees at Michigan State and both got law degrees from Wayne State? Weird.
 
Furball said:
Not sure about some of your love affairs with Sessions. Not enough body of work to blow all our space for years to come.
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I think our space is "blown" for years to come even if we do not add ANYONE this summer as a big free agent... I would be pretty comfortable with us getting a guy who's an immediate upgrade and yet young enough to potentially get a lot better.

Ed O.
 
axs88 said:
Hmmm. Too bad. I guess they are concerned about the bad blood between the players and Lamar. LaMarcus must really hate him.

On to Sessions and Childress/Williams then!
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Yep, exactly. The only other angle is Millsap with the intent of trading either Joel for Battier + 3rd string PF (one of Hayes/Landry/Dorsey) or the pipe dream of LMA for Harris.

Front court of Oden/Przybilla/Millsap or Oden/LMA/Millsap/Hayes is pretty damn solid and would own the boards.
 
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