Merged: Shawn Marion

[oldmangrouch]

Re: Shawn Marion (MERGED)

For comparable money, I would rather have Odom.

At his best, Marion is a better player than Odom. Sadly, in his own mind he is Michael Jordan, and should be paid and treated accordingly!

 

[B-Roy]

Re: So.. Shawn Marion for Peanuts?

I disagree. He plays the 3 and 4. He has experience. He plays defense and he rebounds and he shoots the ball well (except, for some odd reason, this past year from three point range).

Last year might have been the first step down the inexorable road of old age and irrelevance, but I would expect he's still got a couple more years in him, and I think he'd look good as a Blazer.

Ed O.

He plays the three and the four like Outlaw. He's not great at either.

His defense is overrated, he's good that he can defend many positions, he's bad in that he's not particularly great at defending those positions.

We don't need extra rebounding.

He couldn't shoot at all last year.

He's clearly declining.

He's old and turned down a 5 year/36 Million dollar contract with Toronto. At that age, and with the way he played, he barely deserves that. He's going to ask for even more if he comes to Portland.

 

[Chutney]

Re: So.. Shawn Marion for Peanuts?

Terrible, terrible fit.

And I mean terrible.

Yes. I can't emphasize this enough. He was marginal in Miami, where they played at a slower-paced. Even with us, he was mediocre to good, since our pace fluctuated from game to game. He's at his best as a 4 in a fast-paced team (like in Phoenix, or how Rashard Lewis is in Orlando). As a 3 in a half-court offense, he looks out of place. His defense is good, but has deteriorated from where it used to be in his prime. His inability to create his own shot is compounded in that kind of situation.

He had a lot more value to Toronto than any other team in the league, because (1) we needed his awesome rebounding with Bargnani as our starting 5, and (2) we were looking to run a more fast-paced offense with our new coach.

Moreover, he clearly has an inflated sense of self-worth. He's drawn virtually no interest around the league and he still had the audacity to demand $9mill per for 4-5 years from the Raptors. His supposedly bad attitude is not as bad as people have made it seem (he was a great presence in his stay in Toronto). But the former issue is worrying.

 

[Ed O]

Re: So.. Shawn Marion for Peanuts?

I probably only watched about 10 games he played for the Heat and 5 for the Raptors. However, I wasn't impressed with any of the times I saw him. I look at box-scores every night and watch Sportscenter, so outside of watching those 15 games, I'd like to think my head wasn't totally buried in the sand.

I didn't mean that it was buried in the sand. I see his PER and it's still pretty decent... not where it was with the Suns when he was in his prime, of course, but wouldn't we take 19.0 or 16.2 (what he's been at each of the last two years) PER at the small forward spot, especially if he is a reasonably good defender?

He appears to have lost some of his athleticism, and he's turned into a 20% 3pt shooter. He's clearly been unhappy with his role on Phoenix and Miami, so I can't see him being too thrilled in Portland.

Do you think that he suddenly and permanently is a terrible 3 point shooter? It's possible, but I think that his injuries are probably a more likely explanation.

Additionally, he might have had motivation issues from being on bad teams in the East. I could see him being re-energized coming to a contender like Portland.

He's old and turned down a 5 year/36 Million dollar contract with Toronto. At that age, and with the way he played, he barely deserves that. He's going to ask for even more if he comes to Portland.

He's 10 months older than Turkoglu. Is Hedo old, too?

Five years $36m would be a good deal for Portland. I think he might even command less than that now, given the limited options he has in terms of more-than-MLE teams available.

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

Re: So.. Shawn Marion for Peanuts?

He's 10 months older than Turkoglu. Is Hedo old, too?

Yeah, Hedo is pretty old. Hedo's game isn't based no his athleticism though, unlike Marion, who is clearly losing it.

I hate his attitude, I hate his game, I hate him.

 

[Chutney]

Re: Shawn Marion (MERGED)

He's 10 months older than Turkoglu. Is Hedo old, too?

I think the worrying thing is that his game almost solely built on his athleticism. And that's the first thing to leave when a player starts to age. The major reason he's not as great a defender as he once used to be, is because he depends on that athleticism so much on the defensive end.

 

[Tince]

Re: So.. Shawn Marion for Peanuts?

Do you think that he suddenly and permanently is a terrible 3 point shooter? It's possible, but I think that his injuries are probably a more likely explanation.

Additionally, he might have had motivation issues from being on bad teams in the East. I could see him being re-energized coming to a contender like Portland.

Ed O.

With his form, I'm shocked that he wasn't always a horrible 3pt shooter. If I had to guess, he probably won't average over 30% from distance for the rest of his career, but that's just a guess.

I agree he has motivation issues and that shows just how fragile he is. I know we're going to be a good team, but I think he wants to play a lot of minutes as well as be on a good team.

 

[maxiep]

Re: Shawn Marion (MERGED)

This might not be a popular opinion--even given the lukewarm response the Hedo possibility is receiving--but I think that I might prefer Shawn Marion to Hedo Turkoglu.

Marion is a better rebounder and defender than Hedo. His three point shooting absolutely abandoned him this past year, but his eFG% and TS% were both similar. Even in a bad bad year Marion's PER was still better than Hedo's.

Marion is about 10 months older than Hedo, but I have to think that he'd be more cheap and he might be a better fit than Turkoglu.

Am I crazy in even contemplating this?

Ed O.

Ed, I completely agree. Don't forget, Marion can also play defense.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

What is the chance for Marion now? Or Bass?

He kind of has 2 better players in front of him now, with Hedo at 3 and Bosh at 4. We could use a starting 3 and a backup 4 (which he would do lovely). He is unrestricted, so that means we can just make him an offer, right? We wouldn't have to trade anyone?

He is pretty good at defense right? Pretty good rebounder? Locker room cancer in the past, but winning breads happiness!!!

He would be a 3rd option on offense. I think at his age and with leadership like Roy and LMA, he could deal with it. (there I go being optimistic lol)

I like the look of this lineup.

Blake \ Bayless \ Mills
Roy \ Rudy \ Webster
Marion \ Batum \ Cunningham
LMA \ Outlaw \ Pendergraph
Oden \ Joel

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OR... I think we should make a big push at Bass. That way Travis could play backup 3 like he is supposed to and Bass can play f.

Blake \ Bayless \ Mills
Roy \ Rudy \ Webster
Batum \ Outlaw \ Cunningham
LMA \ Bass \ Pendergraph
Oden \ Joel

I like either of those.

Who else could we realistically get now that half the market is taken?

 

[B-Roy]

Re: What is the chance for Marion now? Or Bass?

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143380

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

Re: What is the chance for Marion now? Or Bass?

I fail at forums

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If it doesn't stop us from getting a PG upgrade and Ariza and Childress aren't available, and we can get him for only three years (price per year to me not that important, i was just really opposed to paying a guy Hedo's age for five years), then I would do it.

 

[santeesioux]

Marion or Odom would be fine, but i think i'd rather just do a lopsided trade for G Force.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

Re: Shawn Marion (MERGED)

How much have you seen him play in a non-run and gun system?

Is it reasonable to wonder if it takes a bit of acclimation to a new system after playing run and gun for years and years? I would argue that it is.

Ed O.

Didn't you know Tince is a Marion expert?

 

[Ed O]

Marion or Odom would be fine, but i think i'd rather just do a lopsided trade for G Force.

Gerald Wallace would look so good as a Blazer...

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

Rudy + 1st for Wallace.

A guy can dream.

 

[Minstrel]

Rudy + 1st for Wallace.

A guy can dream.

Yeah...I'd do that, but I suspect Wallace is more to Larry Brown's liking than a pretty slender, non-physical Rudy.