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Wow, Marty for an unproven Cracker! Hope this Great White Hope can shoot 3's!
 
HCP said:
Wow, Marty for an unproven Cracker! Hope this Great White Hope can shoot 3's!
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He can, as long as he can take one dribble first. I am hoping to see him show off an ability to catch and shoot during summer league since that is the skill he would most use in the current Blazer offense.

If he can't do that then he is pretty much fucked.
 
Even if he is not good, this was a smart move imho. With all due respect to Webster - his production/pay ratio was not that great, especially for the 10-15 MPG he was expected to play in Portland going forward.
 
I was cutting his highlights last night for courtside and didn't see him camped in the corner hitting 3's. Maybe it was just their offense. But he will have to do that here when Greg/LA or BRoy have the rock. I just don't understand this move.
 
HCP said:
I was cutting his highlights last night for courtside and didn't see him camped in the corner hitting 3's. Maybe it was just their offense.
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He was their best player and a guy who could do pretty much what he wanted offensively... why would they have him camped in the corner?

But he will have to do that here when Greg/LA or BRoy have the rock. I just don't understand this move.
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He's a pure shooter. He'll be able to hit the open shots that no Blazer's been able to hit consistently in years.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
He was their best player and a guy who could do pretty much what he wanted offensively... why would they have him camped in the corner?



He's a pure shooter. He'll be able to hit the open shots that no Blazer's been able to hit consistently in years.

Ed O.
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I understand he was there go to guy, I'm just saying he will have to curtail his game here. And if his strength isn't siitin in the coffin corner hitting 3's, then the trade was a mistake.
 
HCP said:
I understand he was there go to guy, I'm just saying he will have to curtail his game here. And if his strength isn't siitin in the coffin corner hitting 3's, then the trade was a mistake.
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Because Martell sitting in the coffin corner was a consistent weapon? Have any of you watch Webster play the past six seasons? Most nights he was invisible on the court - we aren't losing anything here.
 
BlazerBeav said:
Because Martell sitting in the coffin corner was a consistent weapon? Have any of you watch Webster play the past six seasons? Most nights he was invisible on the court - we aren't losing anything here.
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I have seen him play a few games here and there and this past season he actually became a decent defender. I have never seen the rookie play but until he proves to me that he is able to guard NBA SF's consistently, I think it was a bad trade.
 
HCP said:
I have seen him play a few games here and there and this past season he actually became a decent defender. I have never seen the rookie play but until he proves to me that he is able to guard NBA SF's consistently, I think it was a bad trade.
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But with a healthy Batum guarding the other team's star SF, I'm not all that concerned with how well our shooter off the bench can guard the other team's backup - particularly if, unilke Martell, the rookie can hit his shot more than once a week and not hang his head as he runs down the court after a miss.
 
HCP said:
I understand he was there go to guy, I'm just saying he will have to curtail his game here. And if his strength isn't siitin in the coffin corner hitting 3's, then the trade was a mistake.
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It doesn't have to be his strength. He just has to be better at it than Webster. :)

Martell was a better defender than Babbitt at this point, but I'll take the cheaper, younger Babbitt and cross my fingers he's the shooter that I think he is.

Ed O.
 
HCP said:
I understand he was there go to guy, I'm just saying he will have to curtail his game here. And if his strength isn't siitin in the coffin corner hitting 3's, then the trade was a mistake.
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This trade was not a mistake even if Babbit never becomes anything. Nic needs more minutes and paying Martell the MLE for his inconsistent production at 14 minutes per game is financial suicide.
 
Re: What happens with Gomes?

B-Roy said:
To be honest, I'm fine with waiving Gomes and not using the MLE. If we do use the MLE, I'd prefer it be used after a couple pieces (Rudy, Bayless possibly, Miller, etc.) are consolidated for a better talent.
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I feel exactly the same way. More impact is going to be made through a consolidation trade than the addition of yet another solid but unspectacular piece in the middle of the rotation. If they do manage to get a really high impact guy by turning draft rights, picks and players into a single high impact guy (presumably a point guard) then I'd really like to see a solid veteran backup 4 added with the MLE (Craig Smith, Drew Gooden, Udonis Haslem, Amir Johnson, etc.) or maybe some wing depth (Raja Bell, Mike Miller, etc.)
 
HCP said:
I have seen him play a few games here and there and this past season he actually became a decent defender. I have never seen the rookie play but until he proves to me that he is able to guard NBA SF's consistently, I think it was a bad trade.
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8 million dollars in savings and not paying the luxury tax ... The trade is also a win because Nic presumably will play something like 35 minutes a night and Martell was about to become a very overpaid 12 minutes per game player.
 
HCP said:
I have seen him play a few games here and there and this past season he actually became a decent defender. I have never seen the rookie play but until he proves to me that he is able to guard NBA SF's consistently, I think it was a bad trade.
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I think you are mistaken by thinking that (a) Babbitt is taking a Webster's spot and (b) Babbitt shouldn't have minutes over Cunningham. Webster was extremely lucky that Batum was injured 3/4 of the season last year, otherwise he would not have started one game. Babbitt will be able to come in and immediately provide offense from the bench, something Webster would only be able to do every other game when he was having a "good" night. Webster is a career bench player. Secondly, Babbitt was the 16th overall pick, and many projected him to go higher. Cunningham (and Pendegraph) were second round picks for a reason. Babbitt is a significantly better player. I know you are tight with these guys buy you are over valuing Portland's players far too much.
 
Nikolokolus said:
8 million dollars in savings and not paying the luxury tax ... The trade is also a win because Nic presumably will play something like 35 minutes a night and Martell was about to become a very overpaid 12 minutes per game player.
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Not to mention, whoever we sign with that 8 million you could say we got from this trade.

Portland Outgoing:
Webster

Portland incoming:
Babbitt
Whoever we sign with the MLE
 
Nate4Prez said:
Not to mention, whoever we sign with that 8 million you could say we got from this trade.

Portland Outgoing:
Webster

Portland incoming:
Babbitt
Whoever we sign with the MLE
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How do you say we got the MLE in the trade? We'd have had the MLE even if we didn't do the trade.

barfo
 
So someone explain this for me?


I keep hearing we saved 3+ million by waiving Gomes. I know we have 5+ million for the MLE. In some threads I see we have over 8 million to spend on a FA, but how can this be true?
 
Nate4Prez said:
I was under the impression the MLE is $5.854 million, by waiving Gomes that gives us $3 million more on top of the MLE to spend?
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The MLE is a set exception...the size of it only changes season to season with the cap. Portland getting under the luxury tax threshold doesn't give the team anything more to spend (unless they have their own, self-enforced budget).
 
I'm OK with waiving him., How could they trade for another player? There are already 14 players on the roster plus they are negotiating with Patrick Mills, and they have announced they plan to sign a free agent with the mle.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I'm OK with waiving him., How could they trade for another player? There are already 14 players on the roster plus they are negotiating with Patrick Mills, and they have announced they plan to sign a free agent with the mle.
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Depends on how good the player they'd get back was. I'd stop negotiating with Patty Melt (still hoping that nickname catches on) if Portland were getting Beasley.

Waiving him works if all they could have gotten back was crap.
 
you can carry as many players as you want during the summer (though cap holds are required if you're below 12). you just have to be at 15 when the season starts.
 
BrianFromWA said:
you can carry as many players as you want during the summer (though cap holds are required if you're below 12). you just have to be at 15 when the season starts.
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I know you meant maximum 15, not exactly 15. I think it is minimum 12.

barfo
 
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that's what I meant.
Section 1. Active Roster Size.
Each Team agrees to have twelve (12) players on its Active List and to have a minimum
of eight (8) players on the bench for all Regular Season games. Notwithstanding the foregoing,
any Team may from time to time as appropriate, but for no more than two (2) consecutive weeks
at a time during the Regular Season, have eleven (11) players on its Active List.
Section 2. Inactive Roster Size.
Each Team agrees to have one (1) player on its Inactive List for all Regular Season
games. Notwithstanding the foregoing, any Team may from time to time as appropriate, but for
no more than two (2) consecutive weeks at any time during the Regular Season, have no players
on its Inactive List.
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Just my opinion, but I believe we will miss Martell's ability to spread the court this season. That said, i'm pumped to see Nic get 35 minutes a game!!!
 
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