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can you say LOCK - OUT


Its coming.
 
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espn_hall_of_famer said:
Do you have a link for this? Are you referring to another rule? I've never seen anything that "fist pumping" or celebrations or anything dealing with the emotions of a great play being in the refs hands.

The topic of this conversation was on the recent rules that just came out which make aggresive acts like simulating punching someone or punching the padding under the basket in response to the refs. There is obviously nothing regarding "fist pumps" just because a guy is showing some emotion over making a 3-point basket or something like that.
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From this link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/09/24/technicals/index.html?eref=sihp

From Paragraph 2: "They will include air-punching at an official.

What consitutes "at"?
 
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Like Sheed always swung his fist, pissed.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
I honestly don't see anything wrong with those listed int he post. All 4 of those listed all drive me crazy when players do them.
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Agreed, extremely infantile behavior and has little to do with playing the game, just examples of emotional immaturity.

But, the new rules are simply another flexible way for the league to purposely determine who wins the game.

If you seriously think a certain anal-rapist will ever get tossed in a game that matters for arguing a call or tapping his forearm, well...
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
Similar guidelines have been tried before and they didn't last the preseason.

btw, why against players so much? It's the coaches that drive me nuts more than the players.
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If a call is incorrect, the coach is the proper person to take issue with the refs. In no way is it the player's right, responsibility, or place.

Players play, whiners whine.
 
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espn_hall_of_famer said:
May be the first time I've agreed with you.

I'm in agreement 100%. I think the key is the "aggressive gestures" part of the that one listed. This has NOTHING to do with positive emotions. This has to do with players portraying violent acts on the floor. Similar swiping your finger across your throat, that is implicating violence. If a ref makes a bad call and you start punching the padding under the basket (like Sheed likes to do) that should be T'd up. Obviously no ref is going to call a "T" on a fist pump or celebration fist swing. Come on guys.

That aggressive gestures is just masking what it is really trying to control. That is the Kobe, Wade, LeBron and AI's of the world that drive to the hole and make a big grunt like they're being fouled. Then coming towards a ref or looking at the ref with some incredulous look. That is 100% what this is about. Folks will comply, and it is a good thing. I'm personally tired of Wade and Kobe flinging some worthless shot into the air and then starting down a ref with their palms up disrespecting their authority.
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You can't seriously expect this to be equally applied to anal-rapists and league pets, when none of the other pivotal, game-changing rules (traveling, palming the ball, taunting, deliberately injuring players...) are ever applied to them.

Good rules but they will be used to serve a deceitful outcome just as all other rules have been under Stern's operation of what has become a complete fraud.
 
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Eh, I don't like this.
 
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"We're going to expand the universe of unsportsmanlike actions that will be penalized,'' NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson said Friday. "They will include air-punching at an official. Waving him off as a sign of disrespect. Running up to an official from across the court to voice a complaint. Flailing arms in disbelief. Jumping up and down and pirouetting in disbelief or clapping sarcastically at an official. Those are some of the types of actions that really have no place in our game."

Wait a sec, what about that worst of all offenses, "The Glare"?

 
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hasoos said:
From this link: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ian_thomsen/09/24/technicals/index.html?eref=sihp

From Paragraph 2: "They will include air-punching at an official.

What consitutes "at"?
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The pivotal piece in the rule in includes something earlier describing the general context of the rule (aggressive gesture) and this give an example of previous "aggressive gestures" that have been made by NBA players that would fall under this rule.

Remember that all rules of an underlying premise or "spirit" that they are intended to uphold. In reading the underlying intention of this particular rule that the violation falls under, it is obviously a player who is showing up an official by making an aggressive "air punch" after a call against said player or a non-call on a missed shot. Those are clearly being isolated in the description since we've all seen the players that get called for a foul and arch their backs and punch the air and shake their heads in frustration on the call. That is an obvious disrespect of the person in authority to uphold the rules, and has absolutely nothing to do with a "fist pump" celebrating a good play by a teammate.
 
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Stu Jackson said:
"We're going to expand the universe of unsportsmanlike actions that will be penalized,'' NBA vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson said Friday. "They will include air-punching at an official. Waving him off as a sign of disrespect. Running up to an official from across the court to voice a complaint. Flailing arms in disbelief. Jumping up and down and pirouetting in disbelief or clapping sarcastically at an official. Those are some of the types of actions that really have no place in our game."
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They have no place in a game with consistent officiating. That game is not the NBA.

Really, the only officiating that doesn't drive me crazy is the NFL, for some reason. Yeah, I think some calls are terrible...that's to be expected. But I get much less sense that some players are playing by different rules.

Also, if these rules were adopted by the NFL, it would be the end of Peyton Manning's career. ;)
 
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Players being asked to stop demonstrably complaining after every. single. call. and being held accountable for it.

Sign me up. Good job, Stern. I'm on board this train.
 
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MARIS61 said:
You can't seriously expect this to be equally applied to anal-rapists and league pets, when none of the other pivotal, game-changing rules (traveling, palming the ball, taunting, deliberately injuring players...) are ever applied to them.

Good rules but they will be used to serve a deceitful outcome just as all other rules have been under Stern's operation of what has become a complete fraud.
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Well put.

I would be absolutely fine with this, even applaud it, if I believed it would be applied equally and fairly in Stern's NBA. I don't.
 
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Over-reaction much?

To me, I read it as Stern giving permission to give T's for those offenses. It doesn't mean that the refs have to follow it to T. The less whining to the refs aloud the less political the game is and I think it takes away from the superstar advantage.
 
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HCP said:
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You totally forgot the classic Rasheed:


I think Rasheed would say that these rules have been applied to him his whole career, now they will be applied to others (not stars, though).
 
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And now they're lying about having done "market research..."

Stu Jackass ruined the Knicks as Head Coach. Fascist Stern liked him so he got him hired as GM for Vancouver. Jackass ruined that team so badly that they sneaked out of town. Fascist Stern liked him so he hired him as League Enforcer, mainly to harass Sheed on the Blazers with outlandish fines.

When Fascist Stern dies in a painful fire, melting like the Wicked Witch holding his plastic basketball, let's remind the troops to include Stu Jackass in the immolation, or there will be no revolution.
 
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MickZagger said:
Over-reaction much?

To me, I read it as Stern giving permission to give T's for those offenses. It doesn't mean that the refs have to follow it to T. The less whining to the refs aloud the less political the game is and I think it takes away from the superstar advantage.
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I couldn't disagree more. I fear all these new rules do is put more control in the referee's hands over the outcome of any given game. Also, if you honestly think superstars are going to be T'ed up for the same things as other players, you must think they are currently called for fouls the same way as other players.
 
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MrSelfDestruct said:
I couldn't disagree more. I fear all these new rules do is put more control in the referee's hands over the outcome of any given game. Also, if you honestly think superstars are going to be T'ed up for the same things as other players, you must think they are currently called for fouls the same way as other players.
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Thats if you think referees care about controlling the outcome of a game. I don't think David Stern is some Vince McMahon clone like most around here.
 
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MickZagger said:
Thats if you think referees care about controlling the outcome of a game. I don't think David Stern is some Vince McMahon clone like most around here.
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I don't think they care about who wins or loses as much as say, oh...covering the point spread.
 
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MickZagger said:
Do you believe in UFO's and Bigfoot as well?
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Lol.

Because UFO's and Bigfoot have both been found guilty and served time like Donaghy. I get what you are saying, but as you think it's paranoia, I think it's naive to think Donaghy is the only referee to bet on games.
 
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Couldn't find it on youtube, but you do know Mike Rice was ejected from a game as a broadcaster - for raising his hands (in disgust).

jlprk said:
Wow. I just read this stupid thread. Most posters are on Stern's side. Even League Apologist Henry Abbott opposes these asinine changes.

http://espn.go.com/blog/TrueHoop/post/_/id/20021/seven-technical-thoughts

Okay Stern slappies, how about the next step--kicking out fans who show emotion?
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MrSelfDestruct said:
Lol.

Because UFO's and Bigfoot have both been found guilty and served time like Donaghy. I get what you are saying, but as you think it's paranoia, I think it's naive to think Donaghy is the only referee to bet on games.
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I don't let isolated incidents taint my opinion of the league.

If you think the league is phony-baloni and the refs control the outcomes, why do you even bother watching?
 
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MrSelfDestruct said:
I couldn't disagree more. I fear all these new rules do is put more control in the referee's hands over the outcome of any given game. Also, if you honestly think superstars are going to be T'ed up for the same things as other players, you must think they are currently called for fouls the same way as other players.
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I still don't understand this mindset. If they created a new rule that said players with black shoes will be ejected immediately after the tipoff if the step on the floor with a black shoe. Do you think the refs could somehow influence the game more by choosing when to enforce that? Do they choose to ignore Kobe and Wade's black shoes all game long and then eject Adam Morrison when he comes in with his on?

There's no discretion here with these rules. You either slap your arm or you don't. You either walk towards a ref with your palms up or you walk back up the court. You either come at a ref jawing about a no-call or you walk away. How can Kobe walk at a ref and complain without this immediately taking effect and blowing the whistle? It can't any more than wearing black shoes in my earlier example.

And how does this not affect the superstars? The only guys that try and pull this off are all-stars. When's the last time Adam Morrison drove to the basket and ran at a ref complaining? Can anyone find even one Youtube of a non-allstar that complained about a non-call for a foul?
 
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Some of you say you like this evil as long as it's applied equally, e.g. to superstars and coaches as much as to ordinary players.

Okay, sure, and how about fans? To be consistent, how about giving the boot to any fan who makes a fist pump, or raises his arms after a call?

To be really consistent about our war with human nature, how about on message boards? I have heard that once upon a time on BBB, they discouraged any non-childlike emotions. Or is this a case of, crack down on others but not on yourself?
 
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