Meyers Leonard A Good Rebounder

[jlprk]

Is a good rebounder one who gets rebounds he should not? Or who gets a high percentage of the rebounds that he should? Or just a guy who gets a lot of rebounds?

Exposing your philosophical side! How about this. If a tree dies without a witness, does it go to heaven?

He's 22. He is big. He can shoot. He's not even that expensive. Why would we trade him at this point?

We used that logic with Babbitt. We waited until no team would give us anything. Leonard is still worth a late #1 at this point.

 

[Schilly]

Finally Ed O with the voice of reason. Meyers certainly has a long ways to go... Most 22 yo bigs do. But he did get much better at grabbing rebounds, which means he improved at his positioning so he could grab them. His defensive rating also was much better this year than last.

According to Basketball Reference, Meyers was our 2nd best Total Rebounding percentage player behind Thomas Robinson. He grabbed rebounds while he was in the game, he also ranked 2nd behind Robinson for rebounds per minute,, which means he grabbed rebounds while he was in the game. In addition he had the 2nd best defensive rating on the team behind Robinson and Aldridge who tied for best. His reb per 48 went up by 3.7 rebounds, his rebounding percentage went up by 4%, his defensive rating dropped by 5 points per 100 poss.

He got better at the areas people were so critical of him for. His fg% dropped because he shot from farther away, for his career he is 80% from the line. He's 7'1" and athletic with good touch and good passing ability. Yet people hate the kid for ???

 

[RoyToy]

I bet you actually believe his defense got better

Lol at the rebounding numbers, too. Grabbed a total of 85 rebounds this year. Insignificant number that tells you nothing.

Basically he's not good. Got almost 0 minutes with no one standing in his way.

 

[Schilly]

Lol at the rebounding numbers, too. Grabbed a total of 85 rebounds this year. Insignificant number that tells you nothing.

At least learn how to read stats. he had 85 rebounds... on the defensive end, overall he had 111. He showed an increase of rate of rebounding from one season to the next. You can downplay that with some mythical evaluation system you pawn off as truth but the truth is he got better at rebounding.

Most centers need about 4 years before you can tell if they will be contributors or not. 2 come too mind that bounced around before landing in Portland and being quite productive for the Blazers. Joel Pzybilla and Robin Lopez. Other guys that looked terrible in their 1st couple years include Marcin Gortat and Deandre Jordan and many others. Of course the list of failures is about as long, but rarely do centers make the jump smoothly from college to Pro.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

How about we apply the Popovich test to Leonard. How many minutes would Pop play him? After all many posters seem to want Stotts to be more like Pop.

Well, IMHO, Pop would never, ever, ever, give Leonard a single minute.

 

[RR7]

My thinking on Leonard: I don't care for him too much as a player. But he has some set skills. He's super young. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to dump him just because. Would not move him for cap space. Why not ride it out and see what happens. At the same time, like most guys, you get a decent offer, or if you can package him with salary, I have no qualms with moving him. Feel the same about CJ. I don't see him as a starter for us long term. I'm ok with that and would love him in a 6th man role I think he can grab. But if the right deal comes along that puts us over the top? Absolutely.

 

[MarAzul]

In Leonard's case, it seems to me he hasn't been coached at all. The raw ability seems to be there
but what to do with that ability is missing.

It is a lack of coaching or he is too damn dumb to learn. It would be kind of nice to know
what up with him? If he is just dumb, why the hell did they draft the guy?

Seems like coaching is missing!

 

[Mediocre Man]

In Leonard's case, it seems to me he hasn't been coached at all. The raw ability seems to be there
but what to do with that ability is missing.

It is a lack of coaching or he is too damn dumb to learn. It would be kind of nice to know
what up with him? If he is just dumb, why the hell did they draft the guy?

Seems like coaching is missing!

In both college and the pros. Yep, it's the coaches fault

 

[lawai'a]

In Leonard's case, it seems to me he hasn't been coached at all. The raw ability seems to be there
but what to do with that ability is missing.

It is a lack of coaching or he is too damn dumb to learn. It would be kind of nice to know
what up with him? If he is just dumb, why the hell did they draft the guy?

Seems like coaching is missing!

some of kim hughs' big man projects include Antonio mcdyess, chris Anderson, nene, chris Kaman and deandre jordan

 

[Blaz06Draft]

I started this post because I remember a lot of games where Meyers would post 1 rebound for every 3 minutes. That is my yardstick for a good center. From his game log, I noticed that he performed better per minute when he got more minutes.

I agree that he doesn't have good rebounding fundamentals. But if his per minute stats are good while looking awkward and out of place, we can expect them to improve when he learns the fundamentals and gets comfortable with the NBA big man game

 

[Reep]

Do you think that Leonard will average more than 3pts and 4reb per game when he is 26? Splitter looked pretty good for the Spurs this year. Those were his numbers at 26. I think Meyers will be better across the board by that time.

San Antonio is very good at picking up other teams failures (meaning the team didn't wait long enough to let them develop) and making them decent role players. We are blessed with two very big centers now. RoLo is young and Meyers will increase his value as he gets more basketball time.

 

[MarAzul]

Do you think that Leonard will average more than 3pts and 4reb per game when he is 26? Splitter looked pretty good for the Spurs this year. Those were his numbers at 26. I think Meyers will be better across the board by that time.

San Antonio is very good at picking up other teams failures (meaning the team didn't wait long enough to let them develop) and making them decent role players. We are blessed with two very big centers now. RoLo is young and Meyers will increase his value as he gets more basketball time.

Yep I agree. Leonard should do as well as Splitter with better offensive contributions.
Unless there is something wrong with the processing center.

 

[MarAzul]

In both college and the pros. Yep, it's the coaches fault

Perhaps you want to clarify. I can't quite grasp your meaning here MM.

 

[Schilly]

Almost all young centers take 4 years to get comfortable and start producing. 4 years. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

 

[RoyToy]

Leonard improved so much his minutes were cut in half

I love how his PER dropped significantly while his usage went up

Go MyLe!!!

 

[jlprk]

Perhaps you want to clarify. I can't quite grasp your meaning here MM.

Obviously, he means that the fault is the player, not the coaching as you said, since every coach has failed with him. If you still can't understand, read Lawai'i's post.

Almost all young centers take 4 years to get comfortable and start producing. 4 years. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

Here we are ready to get to the 3rd round. Aldridge is at his peak. He may leave in a year. But hold up on getting a good substitute center! Schilly says, let it bake till 2016-17, Leonard's 5th year! Okay, anything you say.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Almost all young centers take 4 years to get comfortable and start producing. 4 years. There are a few exceptions, but not many.

For me, it's not that he doesn't produce, it's that he doesn't know how to, or refuses to play defense. Meyers is a fine offensive player, and you can see that he would be a decent offensive center or really stretch 4 in time. That's not at all what we need though

 

[Hobbesarable]

Obviously, he means that the fault is the player, not the coaching as you said, since every coach has failed with him. If you still can't understand, read Lawai'i's post.



Here we are ready to get to the 3rd round. Aldridge is at his peak. He may leave in a year. But hold up on getting a good substitute center! Schilly says, let it bake till 2016-17, Leonard's 5th year! Okay, anything you say.

He may be able to jump toward a ball, but he has no idea where he should be on defensive rotations. Leonard has no defensive awareness.

We need defense from our big men. He'll be riding the pine again.

 

[PapaG]

Leonard improved so much his minutes were cut in half

I love how his PER dropped significantly while his usage went up

Go MyLe!!!

The team was better this year, and Freeland and Robinson beat him out for minutes. This thread is about his rebounding, not his PER.

 

[PapaG]

I loved what Leonar_ had to say in his exit podium interview today, fwiw.

He's going to split time this summer between working out with the Blazers training staff in Portland, as well as traveling to LA with RoLo to play pick-up games at the Clippers facility.

I really like that RoLo is taking Meyers under his wing. RoLo sucked his first few years in the league.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I just hope he gets some coaching or else I think he's going to end up like another Maceij Lampe.

Silver lining: it takes most bigs 3-4 years to develop.

 

[jlprk]

Translation: It takes most GMs 3-4 years to cut centers they themselves drafted.

 

[BBert]

I also liked what Meyers had to say.

Last summer there was a lot of bitching in here about Meyers shooting three pointers after practice. This summer, Meyers seems to have gotten a clue what he's going to have to improve on to become a basketball player, and it isn't as he put it, shooting uncontested jumpers and dunking from the free throw line.

He knows what he has to improve on and he's laid out a plan of attack to work on those things, which happen to be the same things everyone in here says he has to work on.

And now he is apparently going to be working out with Lopez for a good part of his summer training? That is great news indeed.

 

[MARIS61]

Meyers Leonard is our COTF.

 

[HailBlazers]

I also liked what Meyers had to say.

Last summer there was a lot of bitching in here about Meyers shooting three pointers after practice. This summer, Meyers seems to have gotten a clue what he's going to have to improve on to become a basketball player, and it isn't as he put it, shooting uncontested jumpers and dunking from the free throw line.

He knows what he has to improve on and he's laid out a plan of attack to work on those things, which happen to be the same things everyone in here says he has to work on.

And now he is apparently going to be working out with Lopez for a good part of his summer training? That is great news indeed.

$hit Yea, Repped.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

And now he is apparently going to be working out with Lopez for a good part of his summer training? That is great news indeed.

I hope Robin doesn't come out of it a worse player.

 

[BBert]

I hope Robin doesn't come out of it a worse player.

I hear Meyers is going to help Lopez work on his three point shot this summer.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Meyers Leonard is our COTF.

Then we are FUKD.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Then we are FUKD.

Haha

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Good one.