Michelle Antoinette?

[chris_in_pdx]

The funniest part of reading this thread (and any other political-themed thread on S2) is that there's a false perception that anyone gives a shit about anyone's opinion on here, including mine, about Michelle Obama. Just small people complaining about things they understand little and have even less control over. Perhaps the best thing about the internet is that it's given little people with no power a false sense of control and say in how things happen. How nice for us.

 

[barfo]

Think harder.

Well, I know you aren't offended by her vacationing in Spain. After all, a libertarian-leaner would never object to someone spending their own money as they please, appearances be damned. So I'm guessing you are hoping other people will be offended?

barfo

 

[ABM]

Well, I know you aren't offended by her vacationing in Spain. After all, a libertarian-leaner would never object to someone spending their own money as they please, appearances be damned. So I'm guessing you are hoping other people will be offended?

barfo

To me, it's the timing/appearance thing. Didn't Obama just state last week that, in light of the crappy economy, we "all" need to learn how to hunker down and tighten our belts?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well, I know you aren't offended by her vacationing in Spain. After all, a libertarian-leaner would never object to someone spending their own money as they please, appearances be damned. So I'm guessing you are hoping other people will be offended?

barfo

Well, to be fair, she is using Air Force 2 for her private vacation, and she brought along not just a few secret service agents, but 68. I would imagine that if she paid for her own flight, and brought along a security team comparable to that which she would have in the states, nobody would bat an eyelash.

 

[MARIS61]

Well, to be fair, she is using Air Force 2 for her private vacation, and she brought along not just a few secret service agents, but 68. I would imagine that if she paid for her own flight, and brought along a security team comparable to that which she would have in the states, nobody would bat an eyelash.

Or if she were simply white.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Or if she were simply white.

Keep banging that drum, buddy.

 

[MARIS61]

White President George W. Bush took 77 vacation trips to his 1,583-acre Texas ranch on Air Force One costing taxpayers a quarter million dollars a pop. That's 2 billion $ just for personal transportation alone. Never mind that he put in less actual total work hours than any President in history, despite having 8 years to do it. Never mind that Americans were dying daily in the 2 wars he started, he had no problem kicking back and tuning out their dying cries, and spending their family's tax payments on his life of leisure.

Michelle Obama is paying all her personal expenses, as are her friends, who traveled on their own.

Thanks to George W Bush murdering relatives of half the Middle East, it takes a lot more security to protect the First Lady in Europe these days, so we'll blame him for the beefed up security needs.

 

[MickZagger]

White President George W. Bush took 77 vacation trips to his 1,583-acre Texas ranch on Air Force One costing taxpayers a quarter million dollars a pop. That's 2 billion $ just for personal transportation alone. Never mind that he put in less actual total work hours than any President in history, despite having 8 years to do it. Never mind that Americans were dying daily in the 2 wars he started, he had no problem kicking back and tuning out their dying cries, and spending their family's tax payments on his life of leisure.

Michelle Obama is paying all her personal expenses, as are her friends, who traveled on their own.

Thanks to George W Bush murdering relatives of half the Middle East, it takes a lot more security to protect the First Lady in Europe these days, so we'll blame him for the beefed up security needs.

I gotta give you credit. You put a lot of effort into your schtick. Same for jlprk.

 

[MARIS61]

I gotta give you credit. You put a lot of effort into your schtick. Same for jlprk.

Hopefully you'll reap a wealth of knowledge from our noble efforts.

 

[Denny Crane]

Looking at the stories on the right side of the page tells us quite a bit about what you and the Daily Mail think is important news.

We get it. You only like the stories on the left side of the page.

 

[tlongII]

White President George W. Bush took 77 vacation trips to his 1,583-acre Texas ranch on Air Force One costing taxpayers a quarter million dollars a pop. That's 2 billion $ just for personal transportation alone. Never mind that he put in less actual total work hours than any President in history, despite having 8 years to do it. Never mind that Americans were dying daily in the 2 wars he started, he had no problem kicking back and tuning out their dying cries, and spending their family's tax payments on his life of leisure.

Michelle Obama is paying all her personal expenses, as are her friends, who traveled on their own.

Thanks to George W Bush murdering relatives of half the Middle East, it takes a lot more security to protect the First Lady in Europe these days, so we'll blame him for the beefed up security needs.

You might want to work on your math there brah!

 

[Denny Crane]

Obama vacations.

Not including a recent trip to Maine, I guess. Or this Spain trip.

http://theweek.com/article/index/205136/obama-master-of-the-speed-vacation

How many presidential vacations have the Obamas taken?

The whole family visited Yellowstone and the Grand Canyon last summer, Martha's Vineyard in late August, Hawaii at Christmas, and Chicago over Memorial Day. In all, Obama has spent all or part of 65 days on vacation, including at Camp David, according to CBS News' Mark Knoller. George W. Bush had spent 120 days on vacation at the same point in his presidency.

 

[barfo]

Well, to be fair, she is using Air Force 2 for her private vacation, and she brought along not just a few secret service agents, but 68. I would imagine that if she paid for her own flight, and brought along a security team comparable to that which she would have in the states, nobody would bat an eyelash.

That's not being fair at all. Is she allowed to take a commercial flight? I don't believe she is. Does she choose the number of secret service agents who protect her? Seems very unlikely.

barfo

 

[DaRizzle]

The funniest part of reading this thread (and any other political-themed thread on S2) is that there's a false perception that anyone gives a shit about anyone's opinion on here, including mine, about Michelle Obama. Just small people complaining about things they understand little and have even less control over. Perhaps the best thing about the internet is that it's given little people with no power a false sense of control and say in how things happen. How nice for us.

If we were on facebook I would "like" this

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That's not being fair at all. Is she allowed to take a commercial flight? I don't believe she is.

Well if that is the rule, then that is, IMO, just silly. And even if, she could still charter a private flight on her own dime rather than use AF2.

Does she choose the number of secret service agents who protect her? Seems very unlikely.

Very unlikely indeed--but someone in the government is responsible for that seemingly excessive figure. Why is it so high? Because she's overseas? Because she invited dozens of friends? Regardless of the individual responsibility, it is still representative of gross government excess.

 

[barfo]

Well if that is the rule, then that is, IMO, just silly. And even if, she could still charter a private flight on her own dime rather than use AF2.



Very unlikely indeed--but someone in the government is responsible for that seemingly excessive figure. Why is it so high? Because she's overseas? Because she invited dozens of friends? Regardless of the individual responsibility, it is still representative of gross government excess.

Maybe. 68 certainly seems excessive, but we don't know what the 68 are up to. For all we know it is too few.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Or if she were simply white.

There are a few things we can ALWAYS count on you for:

1) It's all the fault of the "right" and the "left" can, literally, never do wrong.

2) Play the race card after you've been beaten into the ground.

3) Give good real estate advice when called to do so.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Maybe. 68 certainly seems excessive, but we don't know what the 68 are up to. For all we know it is too few.

barfo

COMMON SENSE~!!!!~!!!! none of that here!

 

[crandc]

Is there any slime you won't throw?
Any vomit spewed by AM scream radio you won't mindlessly and endlessly repeat (without bothering to verify facts, too much trouble)?
Any fake made up scandal you won't spread?

A multimillionaire drug addict lavishly celebrates his fourth "sacred" marriage while ranting against unemployment compensation, health care for low income children and mocking a man with a fatal disease calls the First Lady "Michelle Antoinette" -- just who is having a "let them eat cake" moment?

Why not fucking tell the truth about what is bothering you?
"How dare that n----- be president of MY America?"

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maybe. 68 certainly seems excessive, but we don't know what the 68 are up to. For all we know it is too few.

barfo

Actually--just did some quick figuring. There are 168 hours in a week. Let's say the agents are working 42 hour weeks; that means it actually takes 4 agents to provide one-man-strong round-the-clock security, meaning that 68 agents is actually only 17 at any one time. 17 secret service agents to protect the first family still seems a tad high, but not egregious, and very well may be necessary given the (likely) unfamiliarity of the surroundings. Therefore, I would like to retract my previous comments about the quantity of agents, and instead criticize the "journalist" for not doing a similar analysis.

 

[tlongII]

Is there any slime you won't throw?
Any vomit spewed by AM scream radio you won't mindlessly and endlessly repeat (without bothering to verify facts, too much trouble)?
Any fake made up scandal you won't spread?

A multimillionaire drug addict lavishly celebrates his fourth "sacred" marriage while ranting against unemployment compensation, health care for low income children and mocking a man with a fatal disease calls the First Lady "Michelle Antoinette" -- just who is having a "let them eat cake" moment?

Why not fucking tell the truth about what is bothering you?
"How dare that n----- be president of MY America?"

I think your statement is excessive. I don't believe race plays a part of this at all.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Is there any slime you won't throw?
Any vomit spewed by AM scream radio you won't mindlessly and endlessly repeat (without bothering to verify facts, too much trouble)?
Any fake made up scandal you won't spread?

A multimillionaire drug addict lavishly celebrates his fourth "sacred" marriage while ranting against unemployment compensation, health care for low income children and mocking a man with a fatal disease calls the First Lady "Michelle Antoinette" -- just who is having a "let them eat cake" moment?

Why not fucking tell the truth about what is bothering you?
"How dare that n----- be president of MY America?"

Whoa there nellie, loosen your bullets a bit there before tyou end up in the crack house.

 

[barfo]

Actually--just did some quick figuring. There are 168 hours in a week. Let's say the agents are working 42 hour weeks; that means it actually takes 4 agents to provide one-man-strong round-the-clock security, meaning that 68 agents is actually only 17 at any one time. 17 secret service agents to protect the first family still seems a tad high, but not egregious, and very well may be necessary given the (likely) unfamiliarity of the surroundings. Therefore, I would like to retract my previous comments about the quantity of agents, and instead criticize the "journalist" for not doing a similar analysis.

Plus, figure that a few are her bodyguards, a few stay with air force two to make sure no one messes with that, a few stay at the hotel so they don't have to sweep it each night, and a few are sent ahead to scout the locations she is visiting next.

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Plus, figure that a few are her bodyguards, a few stay with air force two to make sure no one messes with that, a few stay at the hotel so they don't have to sweep it each night, and a few are sent ahead to scout the locations she is visiting next.

barfo

It takes a village.

 

[maxiep]

Is there any slime you won't throw?
Any vomit spewed by AM scream radio you won't mindlessly and endlessly repeat (without bothering to verify facts, too much trouble)?
Any fake made up scandal you won't spread?

A multimillionaire drug addict lavishly celebrates his fourth "sacred" marriage while ranting against unemployment compensation, health care for low income children and mocking a man with a fatal disease calls the First Lady "Michelle Antoinette" -- just who is having a "let them eat cake" moment?

Why not fucking tell the truth about what is bothering you?
"How dare that n----- be president of MY America?"

Since I started this thread, I assume your vitriol is directed at me. Is it really your contention that it's not that I disapprove of President Obama's policies, but that I disapprove of his presidency because he's half black? Your post is beyond ignorant and without any shred of evidence.

I don't know from where your anger comes, but you appear to have serious psychological issues that no amount of cat adoption can begin to address.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Since I started this thread, I assume your vitriol is directed at me. Is it really your contention that it's not that I disapprove of President Obama's policies, but that I disapprove of his presidency because he's half black? Your post is beyond ignorant and without any shred of evidence.

I don't from know where your anger comes, but you appear to have serious psychological issues that no amount of cat adoption can begin to address.

To say that race plays a huge part in the current broo-hah-hah about Michelle Obama is ridiculous. However, to say that it plays NO PART WHATSOEVER is also ridiculous.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

To say that race plays a huge part in the current broo-hah-hah about Michelle Obama is ridiculous. However, to say that it plays NO PART WHATSOEVER is also ridiculous.

I think it's also important to differentiate individual opinion from group opinion. Yes, some (I would contend very few) have a problem with a black first family, and that may even have impacted the reporting on this vacation, but that does not mean that all criticism thereof is necessarily race-related (even in part). I happen to believe maxiep when he says that race plays no part in his critique.

 

[MARIS61]

Very unlikely indeed--but someone in the government is responsible for that seemingly excessive figure. Why is it so high? Because she's overseas? Because she invited dozens of friends? Regardless of the individual responsibility, it is still representative of gross government excess.

Seems unrealistically low to me. Spain is a central hub for worldwide terrorism and I would think killing or kidnapping the First Lady and daughter would be a dream come true for Osama bin Laden's boys.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I would think killing or kidnapping the First Lady and daughter would be a dream come true for Osama bin Laden's boys.

This is what I think of. Imagine if that were to happen. The same people against their trip would become fervently angry that more wasn't done to protect them, plus set off an almost-9/11 patriotic rage.

 

[maxiep]

To say that race plays a huge part in the current broo-hah-hah about Michelle Obama is ridiculous. However, to say that it plays NO PART WHATSOEVER is also ridiculous.

It plays no part whatsoever for me. It could be Teresa Heinz Kerry, Elizabeth Edwards or even Cindy McCain and I'd still be calling that person out.