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The Heat have less than 48 hours to spin recently-acquired forward Jermaine O’Neal and I wonder if Pat Riley is working the phones to get a deal done in order to bring Amar’e to South Beach.
The Heat do not have a first round pick this year, they owe that to Minnesota (top 10 protected) in the Ricky Davis deal, but is it possible that Steve Kerr wants major cap room for 2010 by taking O’Neal and some pick from Miami for Amar’e?

It makes sense that Kerr would deal Amar’e to the east, as we’ve learned that in fact the Blazers were in discussions but the Suns are asking way too much in return.

The Blazers will be making a deal by Thursday, count on it.

Adding Amar’e would go a long way in keeping Dwayne Wade around long term, and would instantly make the Heat Eastern Conference contenders. Either way, the Heat appear to be major players in 2010, but why not jump at the chance to land an All-Star to pair with D-Wade now?
It’s a long shot but we’re talking about Shrewd Riles here.
 
I think i'd prefer to not upgrade the PG position and upgrade the SF position...

Outside of KD and LBJ... my favorite is Granger who is pretty much in that untouchable category... but then I like Green, Gay, Butler, Young, Prince... and then probably Wallace and Deng followed by Thorton and Smith. Any of those players would be tight, imo.

Some interesting ones that I don't like that much are like Turkoglu, Josh Howard, Richard Jefferson and Shawn Marion (recently traded).
 
The only reason the Hawks trade may make sense is the financial situation the Hawks are in. Their ownership is scattered and Raef's contract along with the financial incentive of it is maybe a little intriging. But I'm of the opinion nothing happens. I think the Blazers will take the savings for their own.
 
KingSpeed said:
I do love Josh Smith but I really don't want to lose Bayless or Travis. I love them so much.
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i know, i wouldn't be too pissed though b/c I do heart Smooth as well.
i would give up batum and an extra first to take Bayless out of the deal.
Any how we could give up Marty instead of Travis?
 
It would have to be a three team deal. J-Smoove is BYC, so he's almost impossible to trade him in a two team trade.
 
BeerBoy said:
The rumor I heard from "sources" was a PG and SF/PF from Phili who share the same first name. That rumored deal also included Bayless. :)
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Had you actually heard anything, or are you just making a joke?

I think Iggy would probably fit better than Smith (he's just a smarter player and more of a wing defender, as Smith roams more), but his contract is way bigger (maybe incentive for Philly though).

Blake/Bayless/Outlaw/Raef for Miller/Iggy (they would save a ton of money)
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Also, why does Atlanta do this? They're playing great this year and I would imagine that they'd want to keep their roster intact.
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Because ATL is in financial trouble as is many other teams.

If Smith is coming back than Bayless is going out, period. Also the deal is being sweetend by Portland to make it work. I didn't get the feeling that Marvin W is who Portland want's.

I could be wrong and these person(s) were yanking my chain, but I got excited when I heard it twice.

I think ATL does it because they know there are losing Bibby this summer. Also Smith's contact although reasonable has 5 years remaining. I had to be convinced that ATL was doing it also and I have to say with Travis's better play of late has really helped our chances.

Remember Portland is sending out Picks and cash also. The savings could be close to $ 15M for ATL along with the players, picks, etc....

................And NO, I am no Insider, just got lucky in talking with a few people that said ATL is desperate to save $ .
 
Fez said:
Smith plays PF in Atlanta, FWIW.
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He has the quickness and athleticism to play a kind of "flex" forward ... the only concern is that he has an atrocious jumper that rarely goes in.

He wouldn't be a "wing" on offense at all, but maybe LaMarcus' can fill that role?
 
Dufferduck said:
Two "sources" (lol), not connected to each other, both threw out the name Bibby and Smith so I figured I'd blabber It out to kill the deal or look like a Internet Hero. Since It was getting close to the 19TH I chose to be the Internet Hero.

Like I said, Blazer front office people DO NOT discuss rumors, inuendo, happening's and that include's Spouse's believe it or not.
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So... are the sources front office personnel?
 
B-Roy said:
It would have to be a three team deal. J-Smoove is BYC, so he's almost impossible to trade him in a two team trade.
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It can work if he's moved with Bibby, because the contract amounts get so large, making it easier to get within that 125% + 100,000 parameter and his trade value being at 5 million.

It works in the trade checker:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c5pfh2

I added Hunter and Gardner because both teams are already at the roster limit

As for the likelihood of the deal going down, I don't see ATL being eager to blow it up when they are competitive and in the playoff hunt; doing this deal almost certainly kills their post season hopes, also Bayless is a steep price to pay for what amounts to a very short term "fix" in Bibby and puts us back at square one looking for a point in a year or two.

But let's assume this is actually being discussed seriously by both teams, I'd try very hard to remove Jerryd from the equation and add Sergio + Rudy instead in a counter-offer and hope that they go for that.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bmphdk
 
Nikolokolus said:
It can work if he's moved with Bibby, because the contract amounts get so large, making it easier to get within that 125% + 100,000 parameter and his trade value being at 5 million.

It works in the trade checker:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c5pfh2

I added Hunter and Gardner because both teams are already at the roster limit

As for the likelihood of the deal going down, I don't see ATL being eager to blow it up when they are competitive and in the playoff hunt; doing this deal almost certainly kills their post season hopes, also Bayless is a steep price to pay for what amounts to a very short term "fix" in Bibby and puts us back at square one looking for a point in a year or two.

But let's assume this is actually being discussed seriously by both teams, I'd try very hard to remove Jerryd from the equation and add Sergio + Rudy instead in a counter-offer and hope that they go for that.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bmphdk
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Can't imagine Atlanta would like either proposal, unless they are in a Suns state of mind.
 
B-Roy said:
Can't imagine Atlanta would like either proposal, unless they are in a Suns state of mind.
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Agreed.

Bibby expires this year, and can probably be resigned by the Hawks to a short term deal at slightly above the MLE, and Josh Smith is a foundation player on a pretty reasonable contract considering his age, upside and productivity.
 
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjpwlv

I wouldn't mind this one at all. And long term I'd still way rather have Rudy than Bayless. We know Rudy can fit into a team concept as a glue guy and is very well-rounded, Bayless may not ever be much more than a scorer (of which we have/will have plenty).

Blake/Raef/Outlaw/Bayless for JSmith/Bibby

They save quite a bit of money still and get some decent young talent in Outlaw and Bayless. We get Jsmooth to play 3/4 for us and be a flex player with a very reasonable contract.

Bibby/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
JSmith/Batum
Aldridge/Smith
Oden/Pryzbilla

next year we work Martell into the mix and possibly move Roy down to point.
 
shamelessblazer said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cjpwlv

I wouldn't mind this one at all. And long term I'd still way rather have Rudy than Bayless. We know Rudy can fit into a team concept as a glue guy and is very well-rounded, Bayless may not ever be much more than a scorer (of which we have/will have plenty).

Blake/Raef/Outlaw/Bayless for JSmith/Bibby

They save quite a bit of money still and get some decent young talent in Outlaw and Bayless. We get Jsmooth to play 3/4 for us and be a flex player with a very reasonable contract.

Bibby/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
JSmith/Batum
Aldridge/Smith
Oden/Pryzbilla

next year we work Martell into the mix and possibly move Roy down to point.
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Atlanta would mind it. Talent wise.

I don't know if they want to save money, there have been no reports and they seem pretty happy with the team.
 
I feel like it was rumored in the past that Atlanta really liked Sergio, but I could be remembering poorly. This would be pretty interesting. As was said, can't really see why Atlanta would do it, but the primary reason would be financial. Seems odd they wouldn't have tried to move Josh Smith in a sign and trade last year, if they didn't want to keep him, but Marvin Williams has improved this year, so maybe they view him as a better option. Williams will be a RFA this offseason, and Joe Johnson will be UFA the following season. Maybe they view those two as more important to their future than Smith?
Another possibility, as the "PG of the future" was mentioned, is maybe with acquiring Bayless, Atlanta would possibly include Acie Law in the deal. Not that I think a whole lot of him, but I remember reading from KP before how they look at a lot of guys who they think don't perform well in their current system, or with their current team, but would play a lot better in a different team.
 
Atlanta stands to gain much more with their team as is. Their owners' eyes have to be lighting up with the possibility of another solid Playoff run.

This doesn't make any sense from their perspective.
 
Wow people on this board are gullible. This supposed insider has 12 posts and you are all acting like this is legit? WTF?

"Most front office people I've dealt with..."

I got that far in his post and knew he was a fraud. What a joke.
 
Dufferduck said:
Because ATL is in financial trouble as is many other teams.

If Smith is coming back than Bayless is going out, period. Also the deal is being sweetend by Portland to make it work. I didn't get the feeling that Marvin W is who Portland want's.

I could be wrong and these person(s) were yanking my chain, but I got excited when I heard it twice.

I think ATL does it because they know there are losing Bibby this summer. Also Smith's contact although reasonable has 5 years remaining. I had to be convinced that ATL was doing it also and I have to say with Travis's better play of late has really helped our chances.

Remember Portland is sending out Picks and cash also. The savings could be close to $ 15M for ATL along with the players, picks, etc....

................And NO, I am no Insider, just got lucky in talking with a few people that said ATL is desperate to save $ .
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It doesn't matter if Atl is in financial trouble or not it is the Blazers that wouldn't be interested in that trade even though it is a good trade player skills wise. Bibby doesn't fit KP's window for a PG and getting rid of Bayless would doom us to have PG problems as soon as Bibby is done(2-3) years max. I don't care who you talked to unless it was KP this trade isn't going to happen. They are pulling your chain if the mentioned that trade to you.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
Wow people on this board are gullible. This supposed insider has 12 posts and you are all acting like this is legit? WTF?

"Most front office people I've dealt with..."

I got that far in his post and knew he was a fraud. What a joke.
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It's just a discussion of the possiblity (which I think very slim), it's not like we're all jumping up and down pumping our fists in anticipation.
 
Nikolokolus said:
He has the quickness and athleticism to play a kind of "flex" forward ... the only concern is that he has an atrocious jumper that rarely goes in.

He wouldn't be a "wing" on offense at all, but maybe LaMarcus' can fill that role?
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He does give us a starting SF and a BU PF. Obviuosly VERY Athletic and would fill the wing if we ever run. Not sure about his team attitiude. What is he going to say when Nate decides to insert Rudy or Martel at the end of games so they can spread the floor for BROY to do his magic. I don't know him so i will defer to those who watch him more. But he seems to me at first glance to be selfish.

I would rather have Marvin Williams
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
Wow people on this board are gullible. This supposed insider has 12 posts and you are all acting like this is legit? WTF?

"Most front office people I've dealt with..."

I got that far in his post and knew he was a fraud. What a joke.
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LOL, Like I said Blazer employe's are very tight lipped. But some aren't. I remember playing a round of golf with Mike Rice at Eastmoreland just a few days before the 06' draft. He flat out told me "The kid from Texas (Aldridge) was going to be a Blazer. He said that Aldridge was very high on the Blazers draft board. He also said Rudy Gay and Brandon Roy were very high also.

Rice is NOT who I talked with a few weeks ago. I don't think you blabber and name drop because someone told you in confidnce who the GM wants on his team.

The Blazers have more than 10 employe's working for them. You know, It could be possible that someone could be related to an employee. They also may know a scout, a public relations person, someone working in the film room, etc.

You believe what you want. I got excited because I think Bibby would be a great fit for this team. I'm tired of all this "Potential" we have at the PG postion and I want someone who is PROVEN.

Sergio is brutal on the eyes and Bayless, although better, is still unproven and IMO, will never be a PG.

PS: If Bibby is a Blazer next week will you acknowledge that maybe I might know someone on the "Inside".

Just having a little fun here
 
No way we're trading youth for 2 guys who've already peaked and are heading down the hill.

It's not in the recipe.
 
Will turn 31 in May. Maybe Josh Smith is who KP is after. Also Acie Law coming back is a possibilty. I think anyone who can play defense should be considered.

Mike Bibby #10 PG» Add Widget
2008-09 STATS
PPG APG SPG
15.8 5.4 1.5
2008-09 FANTASY STATS
% OWN WK +/- AVG DRAFT
100.0% 0.0% 88.0
Birth Date May 13, 1978
Birth Place Cherry Hill, NJ
Height 6-2
Weight 195 lbs.
Age 30
Position PG
Experience 10 years
College Arizona
 
bibby is expiring too, so they really arent saving to mutch scratch, it seems they would be more eager to deal longer contracts if they were truly looking to shed alot of salary.
 
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ctclbn might be feasible, given that we take claxtons nasty contract for next year.

also, j smith seems to have regressed a bit this year, he is averaging a full block less per game then last year, in fact his scoring, assists, and rebounds are all down in the same mpg. and he is shooting .580 from the line.
 
The more I think about it, why in the world would ATL make a trade with us? Bibby is already an expiring..doesn't seem to save them too much money..I am not doubting the OP, just don't think the 2 teams make for good trading partners. Would Smith even be a good fit here?
 
I like Josh Smith as a player, but I'm not sure he'd fit in at small forward on this team. He seems like more of an interior player offensively, and with Aldridge and Oden, that could get crowded. Though, perhaps, Aldridge can stay outside more. I'm not sure if that would be a positive development.

If I'm Pritchard, I target Bibby and Marvin Williams and try to keep Bayless out of the deal (since Williams is a lesser talent than Smith). That gives Portland a solid point guard and small forward, and keeps the dynamic Bayless in the fold.
 
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