Mike Fratello: "Blazers are a very deep team."

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On the NBA TV halftime show tonight, Mike Fratello made the comment that "The Blazers are a very deep team." I mention this because I've seen a lot of complaints on this board lately about how lousy our bench is. I find it interesting that a guy like Fratello, who used to coach in the NBA, and who watches the NBA for a living, thinks we have an excellent bench. Maybe our playoff prospects are better than we think.
 
On the NBA TV halftime show tonight, Mike Fratello made the comment that "The Blazers are a very deep team." I mention this because I've seen a lot of complaints on this board lately about how lousy our bench is. I find it interesting that a guy like Fratello, who used to coach in the NBA, and who watches the NBA for a living, thinks we have an excellent bench. Maybe our playoff prospects are better than we think.

The last five games have been a revelation; we played 10 tonight and didn't suffer for it. Meyers looked okay! Barton and Claver were fine! Stotts has found some pieces and maybe a technique of using them in the last few games that really makes Mike F sound smart. We played deep tonight and it paid off.
 
On the NBA TV halftime show tonight, Mike Fratello made the comment that "The Blazers are a very deep team." I mention this because I've seen a lot of complaints on this board lately about how lousy our bench is. I find it interesting that a guy like Fratello, who used to coach in the NBA, and who watches the NBA for a living, thinks we have an excellent bench. Maybe our playoff prospects are better than we think.

We have a lot of young prospects, but I will say that Wright is playing much better since he got a few starts. He actually looks like the guy we thought we signed. Barton also looks like someone we could use. I think we'll be a deep team in a couple years when guys like CJ, Leonard, Robinson, and Barton are all a little more experienced.
 
Our bench stepped up when the MVP went down. I have a lot more confidence in them post all-star break than I did pre. I also like that stotts was forced to go small and it really seemed to work, I hope he uses that line up a few times even when he doesn't have to. I also hope he continues to use claver and Barton because it seemed they helped defensively.
 
We have a lot of young prospects, but I will say that Wright is playing much better since he got a few starts. He actually looks like the guy we thought we signed. Barton also looks like someone we could use. I think we'll be a deep team in a couple years when guys like CJ, Leonard, Robinson, and Barton are all a little more experienced.

I have a feeling we will let someone go like Barton and spurs will pick him up and turn him into a solid rotational guy like they did with patty and pendergraph. I got so pissed when we gave up on those 2.
 
I have a feeling we will let someone go like Barton and spurs will pick him up and turn him into a solid rotational guy like they did with patty and pendergraph. I got so pissed when we gave up on those 2.

Pendergraph isn't anything to be upset about, but Patty was a really likable guy and a pretty good player as well. We could use him right now.
 
I think the young guys have showed us some things here of late. With LA, Meyers and TRob soon to return the challenge is now on Terry. How is he going to take this talent and distribute time among them all? A lot of them deserve to play and get decent time for their recent efforts. And I think as we start to get further into this long season, they are going to be needed And that depth and reliability willl be needed when it counts.

I think they all have shown that they all can play. I think it's great to see. I hope they continue to produce and the Coach doesnt do anything to stymie the recent progress. Learn to relax and trust Terry.
 
One thing I liked tonight: 10 men played. 10 men scored. Let's try more of that. More 10-player nights, maybe an 11-player night or two. Let the starters rest a bit. Be situational in your rotations (like how Barton was in until he hit that three we needed, then hustled out before he could blow it).
 
Fratello turned a bad coaching career into an incompetent media career. He knows nothing about the Blazers and just said a few hackneyed nothings, like, "They're deep."
 
I honestly think the talent is deep, unproven, unseasoned and raw. It would have been nice to see Stotts put more faith in these young guys little earlier in the season. I know our record wouldn't be as good but the team as a whole would be more prepared for the playoffs.

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The Blazers need to keep all these young players since they have no draft picks for the next couple of years.

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I heard an interesting point the other day. The top 4 teams, IND, MIA, SAS and OKC, have all been together as a roster for a lengthy time. The players know how to play together they know teachers instinct, strengths and weakness`. Which is why this team should continue to cultivate its talent... The talent is there it needs experience together to take that next step.

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I heard an interesting point the other day. The top 4 teams, IND, MIA, SAS and OKC, have all been together as a roster for a lengthy time. The players know how to play together they know teachers instinct, strengths and weakness`. Which is why this team should continue to cultivate its talent... The talent is there it needs experience together to take that next step.

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Probably why batum Matthews and Aldridge are so good together just think once lillard and Lopez fully adjust.

I'd like to see mo Barton and claver play more together they seem to have developed good chemistry in practice.
 
I find it interesting that when a national guy says something positive about the team it's gospel, but if it's negative then he is an idiot, and must not watch the Blazers.

Portland does have a weak bench. They have had a stretch of games against shitty opponents
 
I find it interesting that when a national guy says something positive about the team it's gospel, but if it's negative then he is an idiot, and must not watch the Blazers.

Portland does have a weak bench. They have had a stretch of games against shitty opponents

Depth doesn't necessarily mean strength or weakness. I think we have some very interesting young talent on our bench, but they're a few years away from being real key contributors. Does that mean we have a deep bench? Maybe. I guess it depends on how you want to look at it.
 
"Depth" has been a party-line for the Blazers for quite awhile, but it hasn't been true for many years.
 
There is another angle to "deep". I have seen drafts listed as deep but lacking in elite talent. I think after Mo out bench talent is very equivalent with all being 9th-10th man talent, your last man in you regular rotation. And tgat is due to simple lack of experience.
 
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To a lot of people, depth means older players on the downward side of their careers. For the Blazers, it's more about young guys with talent who haven't totally figured out what to do with that talent. This should equate to a more effective bench over the next few years.
 
We certainly have talent on the bench. However, it is unrealized talent. I think a better way to look at it is that if we keep many of these primary pieces, we will have an really deep bench next year or the year after.
 
I find it interesting that when a national guy says something positive about the team it's gospel, but if it's negative then he is an idiot, and must not watch the Blazers.

I also find it "interesting" that you post this exact same comment every time someone in the national media says anything positive about the Blazers. Must suck to live in a world where every silver lining has a cloud.

Seriously, it's not like everyone in this thread is in adamant agreement with Fratello's assessment. For example:

Fratello turned a bad coaching career into an incompetent media career. He knows nothing about the Blazers and just said a few hackneyed nothings, like, "They're deep."

The consensus is the Blazers have a young bench with potential that has shown improvement recently. Barton, Robinson, Leonard and Dorell Wright have all made valuable contributions recently, but lack consistency. To be fair they also lack consistent playing time. But, I think even the homers here will agree that Barton, Robinson and Leonard all still have a ways to go before our bench can be considered anything more than mediocre.

In terms of our actual bench production, we remain dead last in the league in bench scoring at 24.1 ppg (up from 18.5 ppg last season). But that's not a surprise, our bench is also dead last in minutes played. Other teams of note with low scoring benches:

HOU - Rank 25th, 26.4 ppg
IND - Rank 26th, 26.2 ppg
GSW - Rank 28th, 25.3 ppg

And again, all those teams play their benches more minutes than the Blazers.

In terms of PTS/48, our bench is 18th, so a little below league average, but not as abysmal as the raw numbers would indicate. In terms of PTS/48, our bench outscores all of: OKC (24th), IND (26th) and MIA (28th).

The Lakers rank 2nd in raw bench scoring and 1st in bench PTS/48. I prefer our 41-18 record and "shitty" bench to their "great" bench and 20-39 record.

In terms of overall bench production (Deff/48 - Efficiency Differential/48), I find it interesting that we are right in the middle of a group of teams that are closest to us in the standings and fighting for HCA in the playoffs. In terms of Deff/48, the Clippers are 23rd, we are 24th, Golden State is 25th and the Rockets are 26th.

So, we aren't the only good team that relies heavily on their starters. I'm actually surprised to see the Clippers ranked that low given the reputation of their bench, but they have also had significant injuries, so that plays a role.

In a nutshell, our bench is WAY better than last season (our bench truly was historically bad last year). Last year, Meyers Leonard was our best bench player. This year, he's not even part of the regular rotation. Joel Freeland made a huge jump last year from totally lost to solid rotation player. Barton, Robinson and Leonard have made positive contributions, but are all still works in progress. If we hold on to them, our bench should be much better in a couple years.

For now, our bench is dead last in scoring, but not so bad when you look at PTS/48. Our bench is not a strength, but in terms of production/48 is on par with the teams we are battling in the standings for HCA in the Western Conference.

BTW, hoopsstats.com is the source for all the data I used when compiling this post.

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Maybe Fratello was talking about the players favorite authors and philosophers. All of you are just assuming he's talking about the bench players, he could be talking about how the entire team are deep thinkers.
 
Wait, its a flattering comment from the media, so I'm supposed to think its stupid right? I can never remember all these rules, so I just make up my own mind instead
 
Wait, its a flattering comment from the media, so I'm supposed to think its stupid right? I can never remember all these rules, so I just make up my own mind instead

That was deep.
 
Another thing I'd point out for those of you who are pissed off at seeing Patty Mills and Jeff Ayers (Pendergraph) doing well on another team, the Blazers aren't going to be able to keep all of the young talent that they have on the bench now either. Luxury tax rules and raises due Lopez and Matthews and, soon Lillard, will result in Olshey having to decide which guys he can afford to keep as they come off of their rookie contracts. Every team has to have a bench made up of primarily veterans on minimum contracts and young guys on rookie contracts. Unless they can push out guys ahead of them on the starting lineup, it's likely that guys like CJ and Meyers will learn how to play here and then get their first big money contract somewhere else.
 
To a lot of people, depth means older players on the downward side of their careers. For the Blazers, it's more about young guys with talent who haven't totally figured out what to do with that talent. This should equate to a more effective bench over the next few years.

We certainly have talent on the bench. However, it is unrealized talent. I think a better way to look at it is that if we keep many of these primary pieces, we will have an really deep bench next year or the year after.
Another analogy might be the difference between "potential energy", which we have, and "kinetic energy" which we hope to harness. Or in the case of hustle players like Will and Trob: "frenetic energy". ;)

I think we're sitting pretty good. We need to develop the resources we have this season and in the playoffs, and recruit wisely this off-season.

Simmer and serve.
 

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