Miles contract question

[Natebishop3]

Ok, so I've been thinking about this Darius Miles situation. Obviously if he plays the allotted games and goes back on our books, we lose 9 million in cap space this summer. Suck.

There could be a silver lining, however. Miles' final year of his contract is next season. That's 9 million in cap space that could be traded to a team looking to make a significant move in the LeBron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes.

My question is: If Miles goes back on the books, can his contract be traded by the Blazers to another team even though he isn't on our roster? I'm just curious.

Mods, I'd appreciate it if you could keep from merging this until after the question is adequately answered.

Thank you.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't think we can trade it. It is just like the Steve Francis situation.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think we can trade it. It is just like the Steve Francis situation.

It wasn't a buyout HPC. It was a retirement. Totally different situation I believe.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ok, so I've been thinking about this Darius Miles situation. Obviously if he plays the allotted games and goes back on our books, we lose 9 million in cap space this summer. Suck.

There could be a silver lining, however. Miles' final year of his contract is next season. That's 9 million in cap space that could be traded to a team looking to make a significant move in the LeBron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes.

My question is: If Miles goes back on the books, can his contract be traded by the Blazers to another team even though he isn't on our roster? I'm just curious.

Mods, I'd appreciate it if you could keep from merging this until after the question is adequately answered.

Thank you.

I highly doubt it. When the Blazers waived him, they relinquished his rights. You can't trade a player if you don't own his rights. Same with a player you buy out - i.e. Shawn Kemp and Steve Francis. Still counting against your cap, still counting against the luxury tax, still drawing a paycheck, but playing for someone else.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

I don't think we can trade it. It is just like the Steve Francis situation.

My question on this is that Francis wasn't medically retired, right? He was just flat-out waived. I don't know the details of the Miles situation completely, but IF Miles' contract is now an afterthought to the Blazers no matter what happens in terms of his play, the NBA deserves to be SUED for allowing this to happen under its watch.

May as well just benched his ass for three years, let Darius file grievances which have to be battled in court, and then used the deal for cap space in 2010...

 

[Boob-No-More]

It wasn't a buyout HPC. It was a retirement. Totally different situation I believe.

If you go back and read the press releases, as soon as Miles' injury was declared career ending, the Blazers waived him. That means they no longer hold his rights and cannot trade him.

So, in that way, it's exactly like a buy out.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

If you go back and read the press releases, as soon as Miles' injury was declared career ending, the Blazers waived him. That means they no longer hold his rights and cannot trade him.

So, in that way, it's exactly like a buy out.

BNM

You're probably right BNM. Still, the NBA could throw us a bone on this one. They royally screwed us.

 

[THE HCP]

Ask Tom Penn

 

[Boob-No-More]

You're probably right BNM. Still, the NBA could throw us a bone on this one. They royally screwed us.

They can't. Two teams can't own a player's rights at the same time. Miles is currently a free agent. He can sign with another team tomorrow next week or next season.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

If you go back and read the press releases, as soon as Miles' injury was declared career ending, the Blazers waived him. That means they no longer hold his rights and cannot trade him.

So, in that way, it's exactly like a buy out.

BNM

It isn't exactly like a buy-out at all. Had Miles not been declared as having a career-ending injury, the Blazers may have never waived him. My guess is that they would have just let him rot on the bench, as he should be doing right now in order to save his knee.

 

[PapaG]

They can't. Two teams can't own a player's rights at the same time. Miles is currently a free agent. He can sign with another team tomorrow next week or next season.

BNM

Of course he can, but again, would the Blazers have waived him without the league/NBAPA doctor saying the Miles was damaged goods?

I don't think so. Should be an interesting legal case, and Paul Allen has the money to fight it.

 

[handiman]

That's an interesting question. I think a good case can be made for either side... If Darius plays the 10 games and goes back on the Blazers payroll, it's as if they never waived him and still have ownership.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It isn't exactly like a buy-out at all.

I was referring to the end result, not the process. Miles has been waived. The Blazers no longer own his rights.

Had Miles not been declared as having a career-ending injury, the Blazers may have never waived him. My guess is that they would have just let him rot on the bench, as he should be doing right now in order to save his knee.

Had he not been declared to have a career ending injury, the Blazers would have most likely tried to negotiate a buy out - like they did with Kemp and Francis. Sometimes you just cut your losses and move forward. He obviously didn't figure in their long term (or short term) plans. So, I doubt if they would have wanted him hanging around their young players and taking up a roster spot for two more seasons.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

I was referring to the end result, not the process. Miles has been waived. The Blazers no longer own his rights.



Had he not been declared to have a career ending injury, the Blazers would have most likely tried to negotiate a buy out - like they did with Kemp and Francis. Sometimes you just cut your losses and move forward. He obviously didn't figure in their long term (or short term) plans. So, I doubt if they would have wanted him hanging around their young players and taking up a roster spot for two more seasons.

BNM

Yet perhaps the wouldn't have done this. It is an unknown. What is known is that the waiving was a direct result of the medical evaluation.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

The important thing about the Miles situation is to get something resolved before the summer. My guess is this is why the Blazers are making a stink about it now. Gives them as much time as possible to get it resolved before free agency.

 

[NattaNerNuttaMan]

You're probably right BNM. Still, the NBA could throw us a bone on this one. They royally screwed us.

That might have been an option....until Portland put thier damn foot in thier mouth and made a treat they can't back up. Now they run the risk of a team signing him, the NBA doing nothing to back them....and now Miles could sue for Portland tampering his opportunity of trying to play again

 

[Ed O]

He was waived. I don't think that the NBA does or would look at his medical condition to distinguish the intent of the waiver.

No dice.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

He was waived. I don't think that the NBA does or would look at his medical condition to distinguish the intent of the waiver.

No dice.

Ed O.

You don't know the answer to that, and the NBA is basically sanctioning a farce at this point starring Danny Ainge, Chris Wallace, and Darius Miles.

 

[Ed O]

You don't know the answer to that, and the NBA is basically sanctioning a farce at this point starring Danny Ainge, Chris Wallace, and Darius Miles.

There's simply NO support for an "alternate waiver status" that I am aware of in the collective bargaining agreement, and the rest of the NBA would be up in arms if they were all penalized because of the actions of Darius Miles.

It's a total stretch and I am confident in saying this will never happen.

Ed O.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Is there going to be any additional incentive for the Blazers to make a trade before Miles plays his 10th game? I don't think so, since we are already over the cap even with the reduction of Miles contract, just curious if there is any reason for them to make a trade before the 10th game is played and Miles goes back on the books for cap purposes.

 

[PapaG]

There's simply NO support for an "alternate waiver status" that I am aware of in the collective bargaining agreement, and the rest of the NBA would be up in arms if they were all penalized because of the actions of Darius Miles.

It's a total stretch and I am confident in saying this will never happen.

Ed O.

That may be the case, but I am content with Paul Allen pursuing the option regardless of your personal opinion.

 

[Ed O]

That may be the case, but I am content with Paul Allen pursuing the option regardless of your personal opinion.

Congrats. I don't have any emotional stake in this email at all. I'm giving my opinion based on my knowledge of the CBA and how Stern has acted in the past.

That you are content doesn't mean there's any legal or administrative basis for creating new rules for the Blazers' benefit.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Congrats. I don't have any emotional stake in this email at all. I'm giving my opinion based on my knowledge of the CBA and how Stern has acted in the past.

That you are content doesn't mean there's any legal or administrative basis for creating new rules for the Blazers' benefit.

Ed O.

I'm not saying any new rules are being created. I understand the purpose of the email, and it has little to do with anything other than general business principles and the protection of one's asset.

 

[Ed O]

I'm not saying any new rules are being created. I understand the purpose of the email, and it has little to do with anything other than general business principles and the protection of one's asset.

This thread is about us being able to trade Miles's contract if he's no longer medically retired. It has nothing to do with the email. You disagreed with me stating that there will be no exception made for Portland to be able to trade a previously waived contract and I was responding to that disagreement.

Ed O.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Ok, so I've been thinking about this Darius Miles situation. Obviously if he plays the allotted games and goes back on our books, we lose 9 million in cap space this summer. Suck.

There could be a silver lining, however. Miles' final year of his contract is next season. That's 9 million in cap space that could be traded to a team looking to make a significant move in the LeBron/Wade/Bosh sweepstakes.

My question is: If Miles goes back on the books, can his contract be traded by the Blazers to another team even though he isn't on our roster? I'm just curious.

Mods, I'd appreciate it if you could keep from merging this until after the question is adequately answered.

Thank you.

We probably can't sign Miles to a deal, but how about we "trade" for Miles by giving up S-bo and a draft pick to whatever team signs Miles?

 

[PapaG]

This thread is about us being able to trade Miles's contract if he's no longer medically retired. It has nothing to do with the email. You disagreed with me stating that there will be no exception made for Portland to be able to trade a previously waived contract and I was responding to that disagreement.

Ed O.

All you offered was your opinion, though. That doesn't make it a fact. I've read elsewhere that there is a strong case to be made for Portland winning a grievance. I also don't see anywhere in this thread where you commented on Portland trading the contract.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We probably can't sign Miles to a deal, but how about we "trade" for Miles by giving up S-bo and a draft pick to whatever team signs Miles?

Free agents can't be traded until 3 months after they've signed.

 

[Ed O]

All you offered was your opinion, though. That doesn't make it a fact. I've read elsewhere that there is a strong case to be made for Portland winning a grievance. I also don't see anywhere in this thread where you commented on Portland trading the contract.

I also don't say "Portland Trail Blazers". Because this is aboard about the Blazers, though, it's implied. Similarly, when the original post is about being able to trade the contract of Darius Miles, my post should definitely be seen in that light.

As for offering "only" my opinion: I also have the history of the NBA and the plain language of the collective bargaining agreement on my side. You, in disagreeing with me, have ... what?

I'm curious, though. What "grievance" are you talking about?

What "grievance" would there be that the Blazers should be able to trade a contract that it waived months and months ago?

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

I also don't say "Portland Trail Blazers". Because this is aboard about the Blazers, though, it's implied. Similarly, when the original post is about being able to trade the contract of Darius Miles, my post should definitely be seen in that light.

As for offering "only" my opinion: I also have the history of the NBA and the plain language of the collective bargaining agreement on my side. You, in disagreeing with me, have ... what?

I'm curious, though. What "grievance" are you talking about?

What "grievance" would there be that the Blazers should be able to trade a contract that it waived months and months ago?

Ed O.

My comments in this thread were directed at the buy-out portion and its implications for Portland. In other words, his contract.