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Don't forget the big one- career RBI record (Aaron).
He's within close reach of it...even *Baroid Bonds couldn't touch THAT ONE!
*The biggest skumbag who has benefited the most (stat-wise) from the Peds.
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Really? I think that honor fits guys like Sosa & Palmeiro more. Both of who would have had just mediocre careers without the PEDs while Bonds was well on his way to a HOF career prior to becoming an asshole.
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Nah, I disagree....both Sosa and Palmeiro have already been exposed.
Palmeiro - remember his finger pointing denial testimony at Congressional hearings,and he later got busted?
And Sosa -- same..when he used the usual--- *me no speakey english.
But the arrogant, America hating, white-American hating skumbag Bonds is the one with the astronomical career records......
...with NO asterisk in sight!
*may not be his exact words just in case '59 wants to chime in.
* also- '59 actually had the balls (in another thread) to call me out when I referred to Leo Durocher and the old expression: NICE GUYS FINISH LAST ..
...it wasn't an exact quote attributed to him but anyone in their right minds without an ax to grind KNOWS it's strongly connected to him..as is his memoirs ...
...entitled--> "Nice guys finish last".
Yep, I feel comfortable in MY skin.
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...lmao...just can't resist, can you? Again, it's nice to know I'm in your head.
...I did not call you out in the thread you're babbling about...you QUOTED Derocher as saying "nice guys finish last"...I didn't even mention you or quote. I merely pointed out that the press took something Leo said and twisted it into something else.
...and you got your feelings hurt over that?...grow a set.
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Okay '59... I hear ya. I respect and welcomed your response.
All is well. You're okay by me. lol
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My finest memories of "Junk" Bonds were his inability to throw out "Tug Boat" Bream in the '92 playoffs vs Atlanta and Jim Leyland jacking his a@@ and letting him (Bonds) know who the Pirates manager was. The man stained the Giants uniform in the same manner that A-hole has stained the Pinstripes. Funny to see him come to ATT and try to be one of the boys, yeah Barry share your playoff experiences with the members of the current unit and mention that the only ring you ever got was the one around the bath tub. One of Billy Martins early essentials taking over the Yankees in '76 was to get "Daddy" Bonds out of New York, Billy was not a favorite of "Clubhouse Lawyers." I heard Willie Mays state in an interview that he was most proud of his baseball accomplishments because he'd done them with his own body.
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Arod is a jack-ass prima donna roider, but Bonds is a nasty, sarcastic, mean spirited miserable basterd roider who on more than one occasion made derogatory remarks about this country and "white people"....he thinks he was being "honest"...but obviously, he forgot to mention a few OTHER things.
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...I remember watching that game...It was funny to see the "slow white boy" gene kick in as Bream rounded 3rd.
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Yep, I can't argue with: "Do it for another Team"....! I'd rather see A-Roid dangling from the flag pole in NY, than watch him play an inning or at bat in Pinstripes, ever again.... Alex's big contract now looms, yet I'd not hesitate to off him for a "Prospect to be named later"....may be bad financial business advice, yet is the Honorable move for all....Yankee Fans; Baseball Fans, or Purists........
I'd damn near bet such a move, has NOT, will NOT, or - is NOT even discussed on high; let alone executed....!
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Did I say executed, ? In the form of a firing squad on Opening Day in the Bronx.....where to tie him up, as not to bloody the field of his tainted blood, or remains.....? 
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Did I say executed, ? In the form of a firing squad on Opening Day in the Bronx.....where to tie him up, as not to bloody the field of his tainted blood, or remains.....?
Unfortunately (as I mentioned in an earlier thread) the 1st time he hits a game winning home run the fans will be asking for a curtain call. Sad but true.
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Sad but true? I hope A-Roids return doesn't promp Homer Hankies. It would more than blow my mind, IF Yank Fans let applause overwhelm the BOO-Birds; ie, Ryan Braun Standing Ovation....at least we know the ball park in Milwaukee spikes their beer...!
Funny how we haven't heard much on the Brewers collapse this last season, eh?
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A-hole at 3rd, Bleacher Creatures do pre-game roll call, omit his name, be a good display of what the fans think.
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...hey, they fired their hitting coach and 1B coach...that will send a message to the players.
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...hey, they fired their hitting coach and 1B coach...that will send a message to the players.
Indeedy'o firing those guys will surely enable the Brewhahas and other teams to win the World Series, too...!
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MLB could do one better on that Asterisk, simply do not put A-Roid in any record books...
Kind of like not calling his name on Opening Day...
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...I thought they actually added the asterisk to Maris' "61", but someone else came along and removed it?
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Speaking of Maris and asterisks, a 1985 NY Times article:
Ford Frick, the commissioner, was uncomfortable with the confusion of statistics, and before Maris could break Ruth's old standard, Frick slapped the asterisk on him, allowing some fans, some reporters and some traditionalists to think somewhat less of an excellent young player.
Maris finished that asterisk season by hitting his 61st homer against Tracy Stallard of the Boston Red Sox. He scored 132 runs, drove in 142 and batted .269, a superb season. Today there are hockey players outscoring Rocket Richard, basketball players outscoring George Mikan, football quarterbacks throwing for more yardage than Sammy Baugh, but none of them get asterisks tied to them.
Beyond the statistics, there is the matter of winning games. Consider the 1962 World Series:
Third game, Series tied, Maris drove in the first two runs with a single and took second on the throw home. Elston Howard hit a moderate fly to center and Maris noticed that the fielder, fellow named Mays, was nonchalanting it, so Maris took third after the catch. And scored on an infield out. Yankees won, 3-2.
Seventh game, Yankees leading, 1-0, in the ninth. With a runner on first and two out, Mays slashed a hit into right field, where Maris cut it off and fired the ball into the infield, holding the runners at first and third. The next batter, Willie McCovey, hit a screamer at Bobby Richardson, making Ralph Terry the most valuable player of the Series, but Maris's feet and Maris's glove and Maris's arm had saved two of the victories, and nobody put an asterisk on that.
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/16/sports/roger-maris-no-asterisk.html[/I]
Ford Frick, the commissioner, was uncomfortable with the confusion of statistics, and before Maris could break Ruth's old standard, Frick slapped the asterisk on him, allowing some fans, some reporters and some traditionalists to think somewhat less of an excellent young player.
Maris finished that asterisk season by hitting his 61st homer against Tracy Stallard of the Boston Red Sox. He scored 132 runs, drove in 142 and batted .269, a superb season. Today there are hockey players outscoring Rocket Richard, basketball players outscoring George Mikan, football quarterbacks throwing for more yardage than Sammy Baugh, but none of them get asterisks tied to them.
Beyond the statistics, there is the matter of winning games. Consider the 1962 World Series:
Third game, Series tied, Maris drove in the first two runs with a single and took second on the throw home. Elston Howard hit a moderate fly to center and Maris noticed that the fielder, fellow named Mays, was nonchalanting it, so Maris took third after the catch. And scored on an infield out. Yankees won, 3-2.
Seventh game, Yankees leading, 1-0, in the ninth. With a runner on first and two out, Mays slashed a hit into right field, where Maris cut it off and fired the ball into the infield, holding the runners at first and third. The next batter, Willie McCovey, hit a screamer at Bobby Richardson, making Ralph Terry the most valuable player of the Series, but Maris's feet and Maris's glove and Maris's arm had saved two of the victories, and nobody put an asterisk on that.
http://www.nytimes.com/1985/12/16/sports/roger-maris-no-asterisk.html[/I]
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Maris was a damn good ballplayer no question, he made his marks during his tenure but for some reason is a forgotten man. I'm probably as guilty of that as anyone. When I think of number 9 it Graig Nettles. I've see all Yankee Right Fielders from Bauer forward but my Yankee All Star pick for Right would be O'Neil. Another guy in the vein with me is Bobby Richardson, one hell of a ball player. I've seen all Yankee 2nd Basemen from Billy Martin forward but my 2nd Base Yankee is Willie Randolph. I was a big Dave Winfield fan as well, he'd be one of my all-star outfielders, seen that guy play some damn good baseball in his Yankee time but the '81 World Series seemed to cook his goose.
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I always associate #9 with Maris..along with Nettles. Maris put #9 on the Yankee map! lol
Roger was also a dam good baserunner- you couldn't get many smarter harder baserunners than Maris especially breaking up the DP at 2b.
Randolph was an excellent 2b and Richardson turned the DP as quickly as anyone...anyone (I've seen).
Here's my opinion of Winfield as a defensive RF- He was ABSOLUTELY one the greatest all around RF I've ever seen. Very athletic and at 6'6"...he would eat up many balls headed for the top of the fence or over and MAKE IT LOOK EASY.
He ran very very well and could cut off those hits before they rolled to the wall...his throwing arm was outstanding and accurate. He was as good a RF as I've ever seen..and you could include the great Clemente.
I think Winfield is generally underrated as a RF..and he didn't miss a beat when he played LF!
Never forget him making an all-out dive at full speed for a blooper during a lopsided game score.
And Rickey Henderson's back to back seasons for the Yanks when he hit at least 20HRs and stole at least 80 bases are utterly fantastic!
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...if y'all are old enough to remember the HR race in '61, you may remember that virtually no one other than Maris himself wanted Maris to break Ruth's record. Most everyone else, including the press and yours truly, thought that privilege should belong to Mantle alone.
...after receiving a flu shot Mantle developed a festering hole in his hip where the needle went in, he fell out of the chase. He tried to play through it but ended up in the hospital and encouraged Roger through phone calls and watched from his hospital bed as Maris broke the record off of Tracy Stollard (sp?)
...even Yankee fans didn't care as much about the race anymore once The Mick was out of it. Only 23000 showed up for the final game of the season to see Maris do it...pretty disgraceful. Roger never got the recognition and adoration he truly deserved...he got screwed.
...but as far as I'm concerned, he's still the single season HR king.
...after receiving a flu shot Mantle developed a festering hole in his hip where the needle went in, he fell out of the chase. He tried to play through it but ended up in the hospital and encouraged Roger through phone calls and watched from his hospital bed as Maris broke the record off of Tracy Stollard (sp?)
...even Yankee fans didn't care as much about the race anymore once The Mick was out of it. Only 23000 showed up for the final game of the season to see Maris do it...pretty disgraceful. Roger never got the recognition and adoration he truly deserved...he got screwed.
...but as far as I'm concerned, he's still the single season HR king.
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And as I've mentioned a dozen times over the years, I was one of them. My older brother took me to my 1st game. I was 7 years old at the time & I had no idea why everyone was cheering until my brother told me. And yeah looking back 23000 fans in that stadium was a joke & an insult.
BTW: Even as a Giant fan I also think of him as the single season HR record holder & Ruth as the all time HR leader.