Military abortions, paid for by (some of) you?

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I usually don't post articles to start threads, but I'm very interested to see what the rest of this segment of society thinks. I don't necessarily want to bring up Roe v. Wade or Women's Rights or anything, but more what should be done at military hospitals, whose costs should be paid for by whom, etc. Below is from the Military Times. A google search brings up similar articles by the Catholic League, Feminists for Women's Rights, etc.

A provision in the proposed 2011 Defense Authorization bill would allow abortions for military women and spouses at Defense Department medical facilities. The provision, included in the bill as an amendment by Sen. Roland Burris, D-Ill., would apply to DoD medical facilities in the U.S. and abroad, but appears to be primarily aimed at making abortions available to deployed servicewomen.
According to Burris, more than 100,000 servicewomen are deployed, many without access to civilian hospitals that perform abortions.
"This [current] ban prevents women from exercising their legally-protected right to choose simply because they are stationed overseas," Burris said in a copy of the amendment posted on his Senate web page.
Under the terms of the amendment, the women would have to pay for abortions, and military doctors and nurses would be able to refuse to take part in the procedures.

The abortion amendment has already been targeted by pro-life forces, including the Roman Catholic Archbishop for the Military Services, the Rev. Timothy Broglio, who wrote senators stating that introducing "elective abortion in domestic and overseas military hospitals would pressure military physicians, nurses and associated medical personnel to engage in an act of taking innocent human life."
"Given that abortion is radically different from other medical procedures, military medical personnel themselves have refused to take part in this procedure or even to work where it takes place," he wrote June 17.
The Burris amendment was passed by a 15-12 vote in the Senate Armed Services Committee in a mostly party-line vote. Joe Lieberman, Democrat-turned-Independent from Connecticut, voted with the Democrats while Ben Nelson, D-Neb., crossed over to vote with the Republicans. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, did not vote.
Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., warned the committee that the amendment would turn DoD medical facilities into abortion clinics if it passes into law.
"Our military installations ... will be able to be used for abortions, performed late term, abortions performed for purposes of sex selection, abortions performed for any reason," he was quoted by several media outlets as saying. "Abortion-at-will will be the requirement for our military installations and the medical facilities on those installations."
In California, the executive director of Life Legal Defense Foundation rejected the idea that the amendment would keep taxpayer dollars from being used for abortion.
"It's underwriting the cost [of abortion] with federal funds, even if it's not a direct funding of the procedure," Dana Cody told Military.com. "I'm a military mom and to me it's outrageous that they did this."
Cody argued that once abortion is introduced into a medical facility there would be an emphasis on abortion over mothers giving birth.
"If my son and his wife were expecting a child, I would want them to be supported [by the military hospital], so to feel free to have the baby carried to term and have a child," she said.
 
I'm also intrigued (though not surprised) by the rhetoric in the article and the leaps some will make. In another article...
Opponents of the amendment contend that taxpayer funding would be used to subsidize the underlying costs of abortion if procedures are performed in government facilities -- a reason cited by Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) when he voted against it in committee. Nelson spokesperson Jake Thompson said the senator "opposes government-provided or -funded abortions."
 
i find the hypocrisy of the situation amusing. "killing innocent lives is wrong"
 
Wrong, brian, it would allow military women or spouses to USE THEIR OWN MONEY to pay for abortions at military hospitals if they chose to terminate a pregnancy. Right now, a military woman seeking an abortion must ask for a leave, explaining to her superior officers why she needs a leave (and of course they can refuse to grant the leave), fly home on her own dime, then pay for the procedure. Obviously, this causes delays in medical care. This is true even in cases of rape or medical emergency.

I would suggest you use news sources for your news.
 
Abortions seem quite advantageous for the military, since presumably a pregnancy carried to term results in the loss of personnel for a significant period of time. Actually, what's the policy on pregnant personnel, Brian? How much leave do they get, or are they discharged altogether?

barfo
 
Here is a good summary:

dacowits/agendadoc/ppts/Army_Pregnancy.ppt - PowerPoint Presentation

Until the 1970s women were discharged and got no family benefits.

Lawsuits forced a change.

I don't know how much Brian knows about women's rights issues. But here is the current policy.
 
While I am not a proponent of abortion, if they are legally available in the US, they should continue to be made available to US servicewomen (I love that term) abroad (intentional pun). And, if the women are paying for it, it seems fair to me.
 
Damn, link does not work, but google miilitary pregnancy policy.
 
Oregon Health Plan covers it.
 
Abortions seem quite advantageous for the military, since presumably a pregnancy carried to term results in the loss of personnel for a significant period of time. Actually, what's the policy on pregnant personnel, Brian? How much leave do they get, or are they discharged altogether?

barfo
They cannot be discharged if they want to stay in the military, and their places are generally not manned with replacements. In fact, some are allowed to quit if they don't want to come back to duty after the 6 weeks provided.
My sister-in-law is active duty, and she was given 6 weeks paid maternity leave before she had to go back to work, and after that was off of flight status for (iirc) 4 months. She isn't even eligible to deploy until the baby is 1.
 
Here is a good summary:

dacowits/agendadoc/ppts/Army_Pregnancy.ppt - PowerPoint Presentation

Until the 1970s women were discharged and got no family benefits.

Lawsuits forced a change.

I don't know how much Brian knows about women's rights issues. But here is the current policy.
The "current policy" is different for Army, Navy and Marines...I don't know about the Air Force.

While I agree that a discussion of women's rights vs. their military duties, obligations and responsibilities would make for a good discussion, the question was if you like your tax money being spent on military abortions, as the bi-partisan Senators described it.
 
The "current policy" is different for Army, Navy and Marines...I don't know about the Air Force.

While I agree that a discussion of women's rights vs. their military duties, obligations and responsibilities would make for a good discussion, the question was if you like your tax money being spent on military abortions, as the bi-partisan Senators described it.

Although it doesn't sound to me like tax money is being spent on military abortions, I'd be completely in favor of it. It sounds like a terrific investment, given that the alternative is to pay 6 weeks of leave and have her be unavailable to fully perform her job for considerably longer.

barfo
 
Wrong, brian, it would allow military women or spouses to USE THEIR OWN MONEY to pay for abortions at military hospitals if they chose to terminate a pregnancy. Right now, a military woman seeking an abortion must ask for a leave, explaining to her superior officers why she needs a leave (and of course they can refuse to grant the leave), fly home on her own dime, then pay for the procedure. Obviously, this causes delays in medical care. This is true even in cases of rape or medical emergency.

I would suggest you use news sources for your news.
Since when is NPR quoting a Washington Times article not news? Or are you saying that the "Military Times" in the first one wasn't a legit source?
Superior officers can "refuse to grant a leave", but they cannot refuse the pregnant woman being transferred from the command before the 20th week of pregnancy. The pregnant sailor cannot be assigned duties considered "hazardous" (most doctors would say that duty onboard a ship of war is "hazardous"), must be within 50 miles of a Navy hospital, and cannot be assigned to those duties for up to 12 months afterward.
Here's the Navy policy powerpoint
 
Although it doesn't sound to me like tax money is being spent on military abortions, I'd be completely in favor of it. It sounds like a terrific investment, given that the alternative is to pay 6 weeks of leave and have her be unavailable to fully perform her job for considerably longer.

barfo

That's more along the lines of my question. I agree that, taking the morality aspect out of it, there's something to be said for just being able to do a procedure that keeps you from not performing your duties for up to 21 months. Hence my confusion about some of the senators saying gov't money shouldn't be paying for it. Hence my confusion when some posters say I don't quote news sources and don't know about women's rights.
 
While it's alarming that we give guns and a license to kill to people too ignorant to practice some form of birth control, it is in society's best interest that we prevent these morons from bringing unwanted children into the world to suffer.
 

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