Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manning (wikileaks source)

[Eastoff]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/08/wikileaks-hearing-focuses-on-us-soldier-motive/

Lind found that Manning suffered illegal pretrial punishment during nine months in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va. She awarded a total of 112 days off any prison sentence Manning gets if he is convicted.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

good. hopefully that's 112 days earlier that he's executed.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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Would you kill him yourself if you could?

 

[BrianFromWA]

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what do you mean? If I was designated as the executioner? Or if I met him in an alley somewhere?

I'd like to think Yes to #1, and No to #2.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

What did this guy do again? Bradley manney?

 

[BrianFromWA]

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Manning.

In order to stay open-source, I'll just post this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Manning

I guess it's been decided that prosecutors won't push for execution. So there you go. How do you take 112 days off of multiple life sentences?

 

[BlazerWookee]

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Too bad they can't make his execution last 112 days...

EDIT: HYPERBOLE ALERT! NOT MEANT LITERALLY!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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oh duh

seems like they don't like being embarrassed, although "aiding the enemy" is usually the cias job

 

[BrianFromWA]

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Good edit. Dick Cheney and Vladimir Putin were setting up the conference call...

 

[Denny Crane]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Just sayin'.

 

[oldguy]

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So, how does it work when the government aids the enemy by giving them tanks and F16's?

Go Blazers

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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So, how does it work when the government aids the enemy by giving them tanks and F16's?

Go Blazers

business as usual?

like i said, the cia doesnt like competition in the "aiding the enemy" department

 

[oldguy]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

business as usual?

like i said, the cia doesnt like competition in the "aiding the enemy" department

I can't seem to think of any occations where the CIA provided tanks and fighter jets to our enemies. Did I miss something?

Of course, the Obama administration has supplied a crap load of automatic weapons to the Mexican drug lords, so maybe thats the precedent I'm looking for. Nobody gives a crap that those weapons are killing police, Mexican military and civilians. Come to think of it, maybe we should ban the sale of automatic weapons to drug cartels.

Go Blazers

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

I can't seem to think of any occations where the CIA provided tanks and fighter jets to our enemies. Did I miss something?

Of course, the Obama administration has supplied a crap load of automatic weapons to the Mexican drug lords, so maybe thats the precedent I'm looking for. Nobody gives a crap that those weapons are killing police, Mexican military and civilians. Come to think of it, maybe we should ban the sale of automatic weapons to drug cartels.

Go Blazers

It's never the enemy, it's always allies against communism.

 

[Haakzilla]

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[jlprk]

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Manning represents the vast majority of the planet in opposing the American war in Iraq.

 

[BrianFromWA]

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Manning represents the vast minority of people who committed a death-penalty offense, and yet is being cast as some sympathetic figure.

 

[jlprk]

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Let's have an international vote on whom to prosecute, Manning or those who committed war crimes. In fact, even a national vote would win it for Manning. He's a hero.

 

[BrianFromWA]

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Let's have an international vote on whether or not to kill homosexuals and women who've been raped. Bet you those would win by more than prosecuting Manning. Christopher Doerner was a sympathetic hero to a lot of people. He only killed a few and was prepared for the consequences.

There's a reason that we don't run our laws by popular vote, and especially by international popular vote. And there's a reason that military members are held to higher standards than even the random citizen.

 

[Denny Crane]

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Manning represents the vast minority of people who committed a death-penalty offense, and yet is being cast as some sympathetic figure.

Treason by definition.

It's slam dunk, whether you agree or disagree with the current leaders of our government.

 

[jlprk]

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You guys always win arguments like this because...you kill people, so we let you win before you get angry.

But don't fall for the illusion that you have any large numbers of allies.

 

[maxiep]

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You guys always win arguments like this because...you kill people, so we let you win before you get angry.

But don't fall for the illusion that you have any large numbers of allies.

I love the, "I have no data to support my statement, but I represent a majority view". Hilarious.

 

[BlazerWookee]

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Let's have an international vote on whom to prosecute, Manning or those who committed war crimes. In fact, even a national vote would win it for Manning. He's a hero.

A hero? You've got to be fucking kidding me. He should be dangling from the highest yardarm in whatever fleet still has yardarms.

 

[Haakzilla]

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transparency = treason?!

...it sounds like they are going to rail-road him either way

Pfc. Bradley Manning

Bradley Manning and his ordeal are described by his support group’s website saying, ‘Nobel Peace Prize nominee PFC Bradley Manning, a 24-year-old Army intelligence analyst, is accused of releasing the collateral murder video, that shows the killing of unnamed civilians and two Reuters journalists, by a US Apache helicopter crew in Iraq. He is also accused of sharing the Afghan War Diary, the Iraq War Logs, and a series of embarrassing US diplomatic cables. These documents were published by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, and they have illuminated such issues as the true number and cause of civilian casualties in Iraq, along with a number of human rights abuses by US-funded contractors and foreign militaries, and the role that spying and bribes play in international diplomacy. Given the war crimes exposed, if PFC Bradley Manning was the source for these documents, he should be given a medal of honor.’

The website goes on to point out that, ‘Not a single person has been harmed by the release of this information…Yet the Obama administration has chosen to persecute the whistle-blower rather than prosecute the war criminals who were exposed.’

Uncovering treason is treason

Bradley Manning is accused of being the culprit of the largest leak of US secrets in American history. Military authorities insist he stole hundreds of thousands of pages of documentation and videos and released them to WikiLeaks. The most serious charge is ‘Aiding the Enemy’, which the government arrived at by accusing Manning of knowingly giving the secrets to enemies like al-Qaida.

Manning’s defense argues that none of the released information helped al-Qaida in any way. Their assertion is confirmed by military authorities as well. But now, that testimony has been barred from the trial, along with an assortment of other evidence that clearly shows Pfc. Manning did no harm to the US other than expose the wrongdoing of high-ranking military and diplomatic officials. In reality, the footage and documentation released by Manning documented fraud, lies and war crimes being carried out by multi-national military contractors and an assortment of foreign and US military personnel.

Whistleblower defense

In handing down his ruling, Colonel and Judge Denise Lind decided that Bradley Manning’s motives weren’t relevant to his treason trial. Therefore, volumes of testimony and evidence proving that the Army Pfc. had no intention of harming the US, its soldiers or its war effort, will not be allowed into his trial. As Manning’s attorney repeatedly argues, that is one of the two focal points of his client’s defense.

His supporters insist that one, Manning never intended to cause harm to the United States. And two – no harm was ever done. They argue that Bradley Manning is a true whistle-blower, only interested in righting a wrong and shining a light on those many believe are the true perpetrators of treason. Judge Lind ruled that Manning’s motives had no relevance to the trial portion and could only be used during his sentencing phase, ominously enough, as if he were already found guilty.

Is treason even illegal anymore?

As this author’s two favorite examples, President Bush turned over suitcases full of billions and billions of dollars to al-Qaida and the Taliban WHILE we were at war with them. His attempt to buy their allegiance only replenished their arms and funding, compliments of the US taxpayer. And second, let’s not forget that ‘war profiteering’ has been an act of treason in America for 200 years – until Dick Cheney and Halliburton got involved. The documented cases of fraud perpetrated by Halliburton and its subsidiary KBR against the American people during its time of war are too countless to list in this one article.

Manning’s supporters agree that there was one bright spot in the Judge’s recent ruling. His defense team will be allowed to submit evidence that the Army analyst had no premeditated knowledge that al-Qaida or Osama bin Laden would ever acquire the documents in question. And most importantly, evidence that shows Manning only leaked documents that had no negative impact on the United States will be admissible. The defense will show that Bradley also came across additional secret documentation, but that he purposely did not leak the details because he knew it many aid the enemy.

Next steps

According to the support group website for the accused 24 year-old, Judge Denise Lind rescheduled Manning’s pretrial hearings for the end of February and the end of May. The actual court martial trial is scheduled for June 3, 2013.

For more information, visit BradleyManning.org

 

[Denny Crane]

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Love your posts, Haak.

But the president is able to give away $billions to our enemies if he chooses. FDR made allies with the Russians who had declared war on us.

The "too countless to list" bit is called "the Big Lie" by its proper name.

Cheers

 

[Further]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

I understand why Manney did what he did, and do see him as a very sympathetic character. But, I also recognize that he broke the law and should be punished for this. Hopefully, is will only be a couple years, no reason to pay for this guy's incarceration for the rest of his life. He will never be in position to have access to sensitive info again, so no worries about a repeat, and I have seen nothing to suggest that he is going to commit other crimes. Fact is, we need people like this to occasionally shine a light on the lies our government tells.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

I understand why Manney did what he did, and do see him as a very sympathetic character. But, I also recognize that he broke the law and should be punished for this. Hopefully, is will only be a couple years, no reason to pay for this guy's incarceration for the rest of his life. He will never be in position to have access to sensitive info again, so no worries about a repeat, and I have seen nothing to suggest that he is going to commit other crimes. Fact is, we need people like this to occasionally shine a light on the lies our government tells.

Naive. Read this thread. Professional killers want him dead. He won't get a couple of years. More like a couple of decades or a couple of lifetimes.

Anyone who opposes this evil war is a hero, and to celebrate that, here's something to read.

http://wikileaks.org/

 

[drexlersdad]

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anyone caught aiding the enemy in any way should be executed...right?

 

[jlprk]

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The killers disagree with most Americans over who the enemy is.

 

[Further]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Naive. Read this thread. Professional killers want him dead. He won't get a couple of years. More like a couple of decades or a couple of lifetimes.

Not naive, I never said I thought he would get only a couple years, just that I hoped that would be the case. I just don't live in black and white where I have to declare that he is the devil or a hero.