Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manning (wikileaks source)

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Naive. Read this thread. Professional killers want him dead. He won't get a couple of years. More like a couple of decades or a couple of lifetimes.

Anyone who opposes this evil war is a hero, and to celebrate that, here's something to read.

http://wikileaks.org/

Absolute bullshit. He didn't "oppose the war...". He voluntarily enlisted in the military (illegally, as it was), he voluntarily leaked classified information before he was even assigned to a unit scheduled for Iraq, and when he got to Iraq leaked reports on Ethiopian journalists, State Dept. cables from the 70's and the Afghan War as well as Iraqi War material.

He was a confused person who voluntarily committed treason on an unprecedented scale--not because of an opposition to the war, but because, in his words:

im an army intelligence analyst, deployed to eastern baghdad, pending discharge for "adjustment disorder" in lieu of "gender identity disorder"...im in the desert, with a bunch of hyper-masculine trigger happy ignorant rednecks as neighbors... and the only safe place i seem to have is this satellite internet connection...and i already got myself into minor trouble, revealing my uncertainty over my gender identity ... which is causing me to lose this job ... and putting me in an awkward limbo [...]

 

[Haakzilla]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

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[jlprk]

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Daniel Ellsberg was widely recognized as a hero whistleblower trying to end a stupid war, the same as Manning. The Vietnam War did not change the current Vietnam one whit from where it would have been today if there had been no war. Similarly, a generation after the U.S. leaves, Afghans will live the same way they have always lived. All this killing is for nothing.

Absolute bullshit. He didn't "oppose the war...". He voluntarily enlisted in the military (illegally, as it was), he voluntarily leaked classified information before he was even assigned to a unit scheduled for Iraq, and when he got to Iraq leaked reports on Ethiopian journalists, State Dept. cables from the 70's and the Afghan War as well as Iraqi War material.

He was a confused person who voluntarily committed treason on an unprecedented scale--not because of an opposition to the war, but because, in his words:

Can you list exactly what he disclosed that will help your "enemy"? Whoever this "enemy" is that someone told you to hate for your job, can you list the help your "enemy" gets in 2013 from Manning's disclosure of 1970s State Dept cables? 30 years from now, how will Manning's actions have damaged Afghanistan or the U.S.?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

I don't hate people for my job. I help people for my job. And if they try to kill me or my allies, I do my best to stop them.

the 1970s cables were classified for a reason. I'm not the original classifier, so I don't know what it was. I do know that Manning had neither the authority or the knowledge to declassify them. He didn't have a whistleblower motive. He was pissed off because he was losing his job anyway (not even because of DADT, which he was openly and illegally flaunting, but b/c he was having complications from his gender anxiety disorder) and decided to go out with a bang.

i just ... dont wish to be a part of it ... at least not now ... im not ready ... i wouldn't mind going to prison for the rest of my life, or being executed so much, if it wasn't for the possibility of having pictures of me ... plastered all over the world press ... as [a] boy ...i've totally lost my mind ... i make no sense ... the CPU is not made for this motherboard ...but im not a source for you ... im talking to you as someone who needs moral and emotional fucking support,"

He knew what he was doing was wrong (and a death-penalty offense), but he wasn't a whistleblower, he was someone who craved "moral and emotional fucking support" and didn't care if he was killed as long as pictures of him as a boy weren't posted. Hardly someone who just realized that the 6-year-old Iraq War was suddenly a mistake.

It's sad that he got to that point without psychiatric help, and an abject failure by his superiors to let his shenanigans (listening to music in a SCIF, posting pictures of a SECRET-level facility on his facebook and youtube pages, etc.) continue with an analyst with a Top-Secret Clearance and access to what he had access to. But it's a total lie to paint this guy as a whistleblowing hero.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

You could prove that his motive was that he's an unhappy lonely Martian, and it still wouldn't matter. It's an executable offense to disclose secrets that would turn Americans even more against the war? That's the mark of a dictatorship.

Here's one of the secrets disclosed. Without Manning, we wouldn't know that the U.S. killed children, reporters, and other civilians in this incident. Video of the killing that hero Manning disclosed is included.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike

 

[BrianFromWA]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

It's an executable offense to disclose secrets that would turn Americans even more against the war? That's the mark of a dictatorship.

It's an executable offense to disclose any secrets. That's not the mark of a dictatorship, it's what was voted on by Congress. The same Congress that said that bestiality is now legal in the military said that disclosing secrets could get you executed. Take it up with them, not me.

And what about the secrets that would want Americans to go to war? Are those still not ok to disclose? Or is it only when it fits your point of view?

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

It's an executable offense to disclose any secrets. That's not the mark of a dictatorship, it's what was voted on by Congress. The same Congress that said that bestiality is now legal in the military said that disclosing secrets could get you executed. Take it up with them, not me.

And what about the secrets that would want Americans to go to war? Are those still not ok to disclose? Or is it only when it fits your point of view?

Not just congress. The constitution.

Article 3, Section 3

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

 

[Haakzilla]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

...FREE Manning!

"While President Obama was starting and expanding unconstitutional wars overseas, Bradley Manning, whose actions have caused exactly zero deaths, was shining light on the truth behind these wars," the former Republican presidential contender told U.S. News. "It's clear which individual has done more to promote peace."

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The WikiLeaks documents Manning allegedly leaked "pointed to a long history of corruption [and] war crimes" and "helped motivate the democratic Arab Spring movements," according to the Icelandic, Swedish and Tunisian politicians who nominated Manning.

"Bradley Manning epitomizes what the Nobel Peace Prize was supposed to reward, while Barack Obama is the antithesis of it," Greenwald told U.S. News. "Everything Manning did was geared toward ending war by mobilizing public opinion against it. Most of what Obama has done with his power has been geared toward escalating and continuing U.S. aggression."

Greenwald cited Obama's use of drone attacks that reportedly kill civilians, the president's so-called "kill list" and his continuation of the Afghanistan War. "By stark contrast, Manning risked his own liberty, really his life, to expose documents that he thought would expose the horrors of war and the serial deceit and corruption of the world's most powerful factions," said Greenwald.

 

[huevonkiller]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

transparency = treason?!

...it sounds like they are going to rail-road him either way

Nice post, can't believe the mindless people who have a problem with exposing illegal war crimes.

 

[huevonkiller]

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http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/12/ron-paul-bradley-manning-deserves-nobel

 

[Eastoff]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Acquitted of aiding the enemy, guilty on espionage charges.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/manning-verdict-could-tests-notion-aiding-enemy

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Yeah, well, have a 'ball' in prison.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

he probably will. :MARIS61:

 

[BlazerWookee]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

String him up.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

I think the verdict was reasonable. Not guilty on aiding the enemy (he did but the proof wasn't strong enough) but guilty on the rest. He faces up to 150 years and I think he will see 20-30. I'd like to see the sentence be 50-60 years.

 

[Denny Crane]

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The risk is you intimidate other potential whistle blowers from coming forward. This wasn't exactly a whistle blower situation though. The guy sent virtually every classified document he could get his hands on to someone that would publish them all on the WWW. If he selectively got certain documents published that told a story of crime and/or corruption, I think he should have gotten off on all charges.

Compared to Snowden, who leaked specific information about the NSA spying on everyone and spying overseas too.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

The risk is you intimidate other potential whistle blowers from coming forward. This wasn't exactly a whistle blower situation though. The guy sent virtually every classified document he could get his hands on to someone that would publish them all on the WWW. If he selectively got certain documents published that told a story of crime and/or corruption, I think he should have gotten off on all charges.

Compared to Snowden, who leaked specific information about the NSA spying on everyone and spying overseas too.

Why would this possibly indimidate whistle blowers from coming forward?

 

[Denny Crane]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Why would this possibly indimidate whistle blowers from coming forward?

Because they don't want to go to jail for 150 years or face a firing squad.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Because they don't want to go to jail for 150 years or face a firing squad.

Whistle Blowers have certain immunities.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Last week all of promises to protect whistleblowers were removed from Obama's Change.org website, lol.


Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.


Poof! Gone.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Re: Military Judge ruling on Bradley Manney (wikileaks source)

Last week all of promises to protect whistleblowers were removed from Obama's Change.org website, lol.


Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.


Poof! Gone.

Poof, indeed.

 

[maxiep]

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Can a mod change the title to the proper spelling of this maggot's name? It's "Manning", not "Manney".