OT Militia group plotted to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, feds say

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But she automatically believes fact-checked lies....

Like, if you're gonna be a fucking idiot with no brain, then own it. But some are too stupid to admit it cause they got brainwashed and gaslighted so much.

I am so thankful I can think for myself and have some semblance of logic and am on the right side of history.
 
BARRY COUNTY, Mich. – Two men charged in the kidnapping plot against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer have ties to a Michigan sheriff.

Suspects Michael and William Null who are brothers have been spotted protesting against Whitmer next to Barry County Sheriff, Dar Leaf.

William Null was seen on stage with the sheriff at a protest against the governor’s stay-at-home order in Grand Rapids this May.

Leaf says he has no regrets about sharing the stage with him.

While being asked about the situation in an interview Leaf said, “It is just a charge, and they say a plot to kidnap and you got to remember that. Are they trying to kidnap? Because a lot of people are angry with the governor, and they want her arrested. So are they trying to arrest or was it a kidnap attempt?”
 
Barry Croft, one of the six men accused of teaming up with a militia group to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, received a pardon last year in Delaware, The Detroit News reports. Croft, 44, was pardoned by Delaware Gov. John Carney last April for several charges dating back to the 1990s. The charges included possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, assault, and burglary. While he was also convicted of conspiracy, receiving stolen property, and disorderly conduct, the Delaware Board of Pardons recommended the pardon after he appeared before the board in December 2019. Carney then signed the pardon papers on April 4, 2019. “The charges brought in Michigan are disturbing and everyone charged in this plot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” Carney’s spokesperson told The Detroit News. “This is also another warning sign about the growing threat of violence and radicalization in our politics.”

Croft, who owns a trucking company, is now in federal custody for his role in the scheme to overthrow the government and kidnap Whitmer. One of his former high school classmates told The Daily Beast he was “deeply disturbed” by the news. “I feel terrible that so much hatred exists and was sickened to hear of the news in Michigan,” the former classmate, who requested anonymity, said. “What makes me sad is how different someone can get in almost 30 years.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/delaw...roft-suspect-in-whitmer-kidnap-plot-last-year
 
ehizzy3 said:
Barry Croft, one of the six men accused of teaming up with a militia group to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, received a pardon last year in Delaware, The Detroit News reports. Croft, 44, was pardoned by Delaware Gov. John Carney last April for several charges dating back to the 1990s. The charges included possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, assault, and burglary. While he was also convicted of conspiracy, receiving stolen property, and disorderly conduct, the Delaware Board of Pardons recommended the pardon after he appeared before the board in December 2019. Carney then signed the pardon papers on April 4, 2019. “The charges brought in Michigan are disturbing and everyone charged in this plot should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” Carney’s spokesperson told The Detroit News. “This is also another warning sign about the growing threat of violence and radicalization in our politics.”

Croft, who owns a trucking company, is now in federal custody for his role in the scheme to overthrow the government and kidnap Whitmer. One of his former high school classmates told The Daily Beast he was “deeply disturbed” by the news. “I feel terrible that so much hatred exists and was sickened to hear of the news in Michigan,” the former classmate, who requested anonymity, said. “What makes me sad is how different someone can get in almost 30 years.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/delaw...roft-suspect-in-whitmer-kidnap-plot-last-year
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I'll bet he doesn't get pardoned again.
 
Journalists from ABC Australia's Foreign Correspondent met two of these guys before the plot was uncovered.

What happened when the ABC met two of the men charged over a plot to kidnap Michigan's Governor Gretchen Whitmer

They were armed to the teeth and looked mean as hell, but it wasn’t clear if they were the real deal, or just playing dress-ups.

We met brothers Michael and William Null while filming Life and Liberty, a documentary for Foreign Correspondent on ABC.
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During two separate brushes with the Null brothers, I spent most of the time trying to work out if they were the real deal or just playing dress-ups on the weekend.

The FBI and state police clearly think it's the former.
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illmatic99 said:
this is shocking

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/plot-kidnap-me/616866/

The Plot to Kidnap Me
Every time the president ramps up his violent rhetoric, every time he fires up Twitter to launch another broadside against me, my family and I see a surge of vicious attacks sent our way.

7:46 AM ET
Gretchen Whitmer
Governor of Michigan
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Which means it’s working out exactly as Trump intended. And yet people will still vote for that divisive POS. He makes me soooooooooooooooooooooooo proud to be an American........
 
Road Ratt said:
Whitmer Kidnapping Plot Revealed As A Complete FBI Setup.

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The conspiracy to kidnap the governor was there. The FBI came across right wingers discussing it online and sent in informants to infiltrate the group.

I guess the question is exactly how much did the FBI influence the plot? How much did they exacerbate what was already being talked about. Would it have ever passed an online discussion phaze into actual planning and becoming an actual operation? Was it already passing that? Did these informants merely infiltrate and go along with the group or did they push the group to take action?

The defense attorneys for those charged are probably having a field day.
 
crandc said:
We seem to have a couple of true Kool-Aid drinkers on board.
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The plot to kidnap the governor was not created by the FBI. They found some right wingers discussing it online. They sent in informants to infiltrate the group.

I just hope the lawyers for these traitors don't try and claim entrapment or something.
 
Chris Craig said:
The plot to kidnap the governor was not created by the FBI. They found some right wingers discussing it online. They sent in informants to infiltrate the group.

I just hope the lawyers for these traitors don't try and claim entrapment or something.
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Claiming entrapment is what they are trying to do. They are alleging the FBI agents were the most influential members in the plot and basically handled all the planning and logistics, going as far as paying for other member’s travel and accommodations to attend meetings. Doesn’t exonerate anyone who was a willing participant, but if true, what the fuck is the FBI doing? I don’t see the point in actively trying to radicalize stupid people.
 
jonnyboy said:
Claiming entrapment is what they are trying to do. They are alleging the FBI agents were the most influential members in the plot and basically handled all the planning and logistics, going as far as paying for other member’s travel and accommodations to attend meetings. Doesn’t exonerate anyone who was a willing participant, but if true, what the fuck is the FBI doing? I don’t see the point in actively trying to radicalize stupid people.
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That's what they allege. We will see if it is true. The FBI I'm sure has all their ducks in a row. If they influenced it as is claimed, those guys might go free.
 
Agree
Chris Craig said:
The plot to kidnap the governor was not created by the FBI. They found some right wingers discussing it online. They sent in informants to infiltrate the group.

I just hope the lawyers for these traitors don't try and claim entrapment or something.
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We've had a case very similar to this in Oregon.

Man sentenced 30 years for Oregon Christmas bomb plot
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NEW: Mohamed Osman Mohamud, a naturalized citizen, gets 30 years in bomb plot

Feds say he planned to bomb a 2010 Christmas ceremony in Portland, Oregon

Mohamud said he wanted people to leave "dead or injured," an affidavit says

He exchanged emails with al Qaeda member and another terrorist suspect

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CNN —
A 21-year-old naturalized U.S. citizen from Somalia was sentenced Wednesday to 30 years in prison for plotting to bomb a 2010 Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon.

Mohamed Osman Mohamud was convicted after a two-week trial last year on one count of attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, namely explosives.

Mohamud was a 19-year-old Oregon State University student when he was arrested on November 26, 2010, and accused of trying to blow up what he believed to be an explosives-laden van parked near a holiday event in Pioneer Courthouse Square, authorities said.


The bomb was actually a fake planted by federal agents involved in the extensive undercover operation. Mohamud described the device as “beautiful,” according to his arrest affidavit.

Born in Mogadishu in 1991, Mohamud moved to the United States and became a naturalized U.S. citizen, settling in the northwestern Oregon city of Corvallis. Years before he enrolled at Oregon State University, he’d started thinking of taking part in a violent jihad, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

In February 2009, he began exchanging the first of about 150 emails with Samir Khan, a now-deceased al Qaeda member who published two online publications tied to the terrorist group, Jihad Recollections and Inspire. According to the Justice Department, Mohamud wrote several articles under assumed names for the former publication.

The Oregon resident began communicating electronically in August 2009 with another accused terrorist, Amro Al-Ali, who is now being held in his native Saudi Arabia on terrorist charges, federal authorities said.

The two discussed Mohamud’s possible travel first to Yemen and then to Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier province for terrorist training.

“Yes that would be wonderful, just tell me what I need to do,” Mohamud wrote back in December 2009, the affidavit stated.

That trip never happened, despite Mohamud’s efforts to contact intermediaries to facilitate it. But he was reached in summer 2010 by a man who, unbeknownst to him, was an undercover FBI employee.

The FBI investigation moved to another level, including several discussions and trips involving Mohamud and undercover agents.

On November 4, 2010, on the way back from a trial run to a remote location to detonate a bomb, he was asked what he hoped would happen to those attending the Portland holiday ceremony, a family event that includes people of all ages.

“I want whoever is attending that event to leave … either dead or injured,” Mohamud said, the affidavit states.

Having canvassed to the area to find a spot to inflict the most casualties, Mohamud got what he believed to be a live bomb from the undercover agents. But the device was inert, and after his second attempt to detonate it, Mohamud was arrested.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/justice/oregon-terror-sentencing/index.html
 
Chris Craig said:
That's what they allege. We will see if it is true. The FBI I'm sure has all their ducks in a row. If they influenced it as is claimed, those guys might go free.
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They might through a technicality. I mean anyone who is a willing participant in a kidnapping plot is fucked in the head and should be punished somehow, period. But there is a difference between being the mastermind and being a patsy IMO.
 
jonnyboy said:
They might through a technicality. I mean anyone who is a willing participant in a kidnapping plot is fucked in the head and should be punished somehow, period. But there is a difference between being the mastermind and being a patsy IMO.
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We should plot to kidnap @riverman so we find out who is really FBI in the forum.
 
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