Miller and Oden... who'd a thunk it?

[PapaG]

Does anyone have or can get the stat of how many assists Blake has with Oden vs. Miller and Oden.

Blake constantly gets abused on this board as being unable to get the ball to Oden. Everytime I read taht and then watch the game, iIm watcvhing Blake get the ball to Oden . . . I don't know who does it better, but the statemment that Blake is incapable of feeding the post is flat our wrong.

And I agree with papag, Oden is not advocatiing for Miller to start . . . unlike Roy who was very clear on his statements.

You just made it clear to me.

Oden vs. Roy for control of the team! It's obvious, according to the interpretations of some in this thread. Roy can't handle Miller; Oden is "frustrated" by everybody but Milller. The Shaq/Kobe feud of the next decade!

 

[PapaG]

You should change your name to Devils Advocate.

I think it's pretty telling from his "breath of fresh air" statement about Miller. If Miller is a "breath of fresh air," what does that make Roy and Blake?

You do? I wonder if you aren't trying to start a pseudo-feud between Oden and Roy.

Is Roy "stale air" to Oden at this point? I'd be interested to get Oden's take on this, since you seem to have set the shit-stirring template. Trying to divide the team's two superstars before they even win a playoff series. Well done, "fan".

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You should change your name to Devils Advocate.

I think it's pretty telling from his "breath of fresh air" statement about Miller. If Miller is a "breath of fresh air," what does that make Roy and Blake?

So you think Oden thinks Miller is a breath of fresh air statement is a negative statement on Roy and Blake . . . you are reading way too much into that statement, IMO.

 

[Natebishop3]

You do? I wonder if you aren't trying to start a pseudo-feud between Oden and Roy.

Is Roy "stale air" to Oden at this point? I'd be interested to get Oden's take on this, since you seem to have set the shit-stirring template. Trying to divide the team's two superstars before they even win a playoff series. Well done, "fan".

How many times last season did we see Oden standing by himself under the hoop, waiving his arms? Our guards showed an obvious inability for getting Oden the ball in scoring position. That includes Blake, that includes Roy, and that includes Sergio. Rudy was about the only guy who actually made an effort to feed Oden.

Now we have a point guard who makes a point of setting Oden up in the paint. Tries to get him in scoring position. Oden said Miller is a "breath of fresh air." Those were his words, not mine.

 

[Natebishop3]

So you think Oden thinks Miller is a breath of fresh air statement is a negative statement on Roy and Blake . . . you are reading way too much into that statement, IMO.

I think anyone feeding Oden the ball is a "breath of fresh air" for the big guy.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think anyone feeding Oden the ball is a "breath of fresh air" for the big guy.

And you think Miller is the only one feeding Oden the ball?

 

[andalusian]

I think anyone feeding Oden the ball is a "breath of fresh air" for the big guy.

In the previous game Greg was assisted twice by Brandon and 4 times by Steve. (We are ignoring whatever other passes that he missed, turned-over or reversed back out of a double team).

I think it was more a reference to the encouragement from Miller - which is a nice thing to do, for a veteran PG, it's probably more of a "someone saw I had some problems and suggested how to fix them" thing, rather than a "someone finally passed me the ball".

For the record - I am going by the play by play transcript here - http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=291121022 for the assists.

 

[Natebishop3]

And you think Miller is the only one feeding Oden the ball?

You can interpret his quote however you like. I interpret it to mean that Oden feels like Miller is lookin out for him. Getting him the ball in scoring position. Trying to put him in a position to succeed.

Last night the whole team was getting Oden involved, which is great, but that hasn't been the case for the last year or so. Oden was expressing his gratitude towards Miller.

 

[Minstrel]

You just made it clear to me.

Oden vs. Roy for control of the team! It's obvious, according to the interpretations of some in this thread. Roy can't handle Miller; Oden is "frustrated" by everybody but Milller. The Shaq/Kobe feud of the next decade!

Sorry, beat ya to it:

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2181361&postcount=19

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You can interpret his quote however you like. I interpret it to mean that Oden feels like Miller is lookin out for him. Getting him the ball in scoring position. Trying to put him in a position to succeed.

Last night the whole team was getting Oden involved, which is great, but that hasn't been the case for the last year or so. Oden was expressing his gratitude towards Miller.

So if anyone feeding Oden the ball is a "breath of fresh air" for the big guy and whole team was getting Oden involved, he must feel likethe whole team is a breath of fresh air.


I joke because I'm not taking this too seriously. I get that we will all interpet his comments differently and that's fair. I'm glad you see it is not just Miller who is feeding GO these days . . .

 

[oldguy]

I thought Blake was pretty good about getting Greg the ball against the Bulls. Seems like Brandon got him the ball a couple of times, too. Maybe with Greg getting confident, (and less butter-fingered), Brandon and Steve will make passing to Greg more of a priority.

Go Blazers

 

[Natebishop3]

So if anyone feeding Oden the ball is a "breath of fresh air" for the big guy and whole team was getting Oden involved, he must feel likethe whole team is a breath of fresh air.


I joke because I'm not taking this too seriously. I get that we will all interpet his comments differently and that's fair. I'm glad you see it is not just Miller who is feeding GO these days . . .

The last couple games have been great, but I'm just saying historically the team has ignored him. Miller has made the biggest effort to get him the ball consistently.

 

[Luther]

I would love to see this as our starting lineup. Rudy could guard the opposing point guard...

Roy
Rudy
Webster
LMA
Oden

 

[KingSpeed]

Yeah the "breath of fresh air" comment was kind of telling. Rudy gets GO the rock too. The Blake era needs to end in the worst way. .

In the last game against Minnesota, Oden hit 7 shots. FOUR of them were on assists from Blake setting Oden up for wide open dunks. And that doesn't include the MANY times Oden got he ball to Oden, often two or three times in the same possession. Andre Miller had ZERO assists to Oden. I'm glad that Miller and Oden are getting along but the idea that Blake doesn't get the ball to Oden is pure bullshit. If you think that Blake doesn't get the ball to Oden then you are not watching the games closely.

 

[KingSpeed]

I thought Blake was pretty good about getting Greg the ball against the Bulls.

Thank you! Blake's ability to get easy buckets for Oden makes Miller expendable.

 

[KingSpeed]

Now we have a point guard who makes a point of setting Oden up in the paint. .

That point guard's name is Steve Blake. The numbers don't lie.

 

[KingSpeed]

In the previous game Greg was assisted twice by Brandon and 4 times by Steve..

Exactly. That's 6 assists. Oden made 7 baskets in that game. The other assist was from Juwan Howard. So where are Miller's assists to Oden?? They don't exist.

How about last night against Chicago? One assist from Miller to Oden.

So to be clear... Miller had just ONE assist to Oden in the last two games combined.

Blake:

1) Sets up Oden for easy baskets
2) Spreads the floor with his outside shooting
3) Has good chemistry with Brandon Roy

It's a NO BRAINER. Steve Blake should be starting. Miller can get to the free throw line, YES, but SO CAN BAYLESS.

Trade Miller. Move Bayless into the backup minutes. We're better off in the short term and the long run.

I'll continue to root for Miller as long as he's a Blazer but I don't think he should be starting over Blake.

 

[PapaG]

The last couple games have been great, but I'm just saying historically the team has ignored him. Miller has made the biggest effort to get him the ball consistently.

The stats say otherwise, but whatever. Stick to your theme.

 

[PapaG]

In the previous game Greg was assisted twice by Brandon and 4 times by Steve. (We are ignoring whatever other passes that he missed, turned-over or reversed back out of a double team).

I think it was more a reference to the encouragement from Miller - which is a nice thing to do, for a veteran PG, it's probably more of a "someone saw I had some problems and suggested how to fix them" thing, rather than a "someone finally passed me the ball".

For the record - I am going by the play by play transcript here - http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=291121022 for the assists.

I already did that play-by-play assist total from last night. It fell upon deaf ears then as well.

 

[magnifier661]

Exactly. That's 6 assists. Oden made 7 baskets in that game. The other assist was from Juwan Howard. So where are Miller's assists to Oden?? They don't exist.

How about last night against Chicago? One assist from Miller to Oden.

So to be clear... Miller had just ONE assist to Oden in the last two games combined.

Blake:

1) Sets up Oden for easy baskets
2) Spreads the floor with his outside shooting
3) Has good chemistry with Brandon Roy

It's a NO BRAINER. Steve Blake should be starting. Miller can get to the free throw line, YES, but SO CAN BAYLESS.

Trade Miller. Move Bayless into the backup minutes. We're better off in the short term and the long run.

I'll continue to root for Miller as long as he's a Blazer but I don't think he should be starting over Blake.

Well the assists aren;t the tell all and you know it King. I've seen 4 times when Greg went to the line, from very nice feeds in the paint. And you know those passes aren't counted as assists. So you can discredit Miller all you want, just like you have with Oden. I've been watching Miller closely, to see if he's a fit for this team (I am a naysayer regarding him) and he made a ton of people playing with him better.

 

[KingSpeed]

Well the assists aren;t the tell all and you know it King. I've seen 4 times when Greg went to the line, from very nice feeds in the paint. And you know those passes aren't counted as assists. So you can discredit Miller all you want, just like you have with Oden. I've been watching Miller closely, to see if he's a fit for this team (I am a naysayer regarding him) and he made a ton of people playing with him better.

It's not just assists. There are many times that Blake gets the ball to Oden, often multiple times on the same possession, where Oden doesn't end up scoring.

I've not said that Miller isn't making people better. He's a veteran PG. He better be making someone better. BUT- the assertion that Blake doesn't get the ball to Oden is bullshit.

P.S. Blake gets the ball to Oden in situations in which he only gets free throws too. It's not just Miller.

 

[magnifier661]

It's not just assists. There are many times that Blake gets the ball to Oden, often multiple times on the same possession, where Oden doesn't end up scoring.

I've not said that Miller isn't making people better. He's a veteran PG. He better be making someone better. BUT- the assertion that Blake doesn't get the ball to Oden is bullshit.

P.S. Blake gets the ball to Oden in situations in which he only gets free throws too. It's not just Miller.

I have no problem with Blake, just clearing this out that Miller ain't no chop liver like I've been reading from you all the time. And the banter about Oden when he has bad games. Its like Blake does no wrong and you damn all that screw him.

 

[fumanchu]

Blake is fine as a starter. He fits well with Roy, Aldridge and Oden. And Miller is great coming off the bench creating something.

Why would you want to get rid of Miller? That's foolishness. He was brought in to provide veteran leadership and the first thing he does is light a fire under Oden.. Exactly what this team was lacking. Bayless would be better served playing under Miller for 2 years anyway. It already sounds good long term and short term.

Blakey is great. But my hope is that Miller can mesh well enough with the starters to play down the stretch. I just don't want Blake in there during crunch time.

 

[KingSpeed]

Blake is fine as a starter. He fits well with Roy, Aldridge and Oden. And Miller is great coming off the bench creating something.

Why would you want to get rid of Miller? That's foolishness. He was brought in to provide veteran leadership and the first thing he does is light a fire under Oden.. Exactly what this team was lacking. Bayless would be better served playing under Miller for 2 years anyway. It already sounds good long term and short term.

Blakey is great. But my hope is that Miller can mesh well enough with the starters to play down the stretch. I just don't want Blake in there during crunch time.

Why? Blake has shown that he can hit big threes in crunch time (with the exception of the Atlanta game) and he spreads the floor so that Oden and Roy can do their work in the paint. I certainly don't want Andre Miller getting the ball outside the three point line with the shot clock running down in an important game.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why? Blake has shown that he can hit big threes in crunch time (with the exception of the Atlanta game) and he spreads the floor so that Oden and Roy can do their work in the paint. I certainly don't want Andre Miller getting the ball outside the three point line with the shot clock running down in an important game.

Eric, he's shooting 37% from the field this season. That's pretty bad for a starting point guard who claims to be a decent shooter.

Miller is shooting 40%, which I find funny considering so many people claim he's a terrible shooter. He's actually down 5% from his career average.

 

[andalusian]

Eric, he's shooting 37% from the field this season. That's pretty bad for a starting point guard who claims to be a decent shooter.

Miller is shooting 40%, which I find funny considering so many people claim he's a terrible shooter. He's actually down 5% from his career average.

They are both shooting sub-par this year. By TS% Blake is just a hair better than Miller (8th on the team, vs. 9th). The biggest problem is that these 2 guys shoot #3 (in the number of shots taken) on the team (Miller) and #4 (Blake). Too many shots for these guys, not enough shots for Roy, LMA, Rudy and Greg.