Miller bringing the wisdom

[MARIS61]

If he did...
who here would like him more?
and who here would like him less?

If who did what?

 

[Luther]

Something tells me if you asked Andre Miller who he'd take between Roy and Iguodala he'd take Iguodala. Just my Jason Quick take.[/QUOTE]

Iggy learned how to play off of the ball very well with Andre. BRoy hasn't made an attempt to do that so that would make sense. When they play together, one has the ball and the other one stands around...BRoy said Andre would make him better when we first got him, but he's not willing to put in the effort to make himself better. It's early in the season so hopefully I'm completely off.

 

[Ed O]

Mocking a frequent poster who authored a well-researched post that had pages of responses, went against the board CW, and contained no personal attacks. Aim high, Ed. Let's start watching those emotions.

I have no emotions. At least not online.

And I was mocking that thread, not you. I was sub-mocking that you were "making no arguments" in it.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Iggy learned how to play off of the ball very well with Andre. BRoy hasn't made an attempt to do that so that would make sense. When they play together, one has the ball and the other one stands around...BRoy said Andre would make him better when we first got him, but he's not willing to put in the effort to make himself better. It's early in the season so hopefully I'm completely off.

Iguodala's numbers are basically the same as last year, except he's assisting more and rebounding more.

 

[PapaG]

I have no emotions. At least not online.

And I was mocking that thread, not you. I was sub-mocking that you were "making no arguments" in it.

Ed O.

Well, thanks, I guess. An odd interjection into this thread, however.

 

[gatorpops]

He's pretty much on his career average pace, hasn't backed off measurably, and is missing 60% of the time.

Most alarmingly, he is shooting more per game and more per minute than Greg Oden, making himself the 3rd option which is NOT THE GAME PLAN.

He's shooting more than Rudy, Martell, and Steve even though they all have much better range than him.

He may be taking more shots than Oden, but that does not seem to be his fault.

He seldoms plays with Oden and when he does he gets him the ball more than anyone else. The games he played with Oden were in a 3 guard line up and he had the most passes to Oden of the three.

When he is not playing with Oden he seems to be unable to get him the ball????

 

[BenDavis503]

And I wonder how many of those misses have been caused by fouls where he gets to the line and gets points with the clock stopped..... My guess is at least half

LOL @ this

Kingspeed often says, "Learn the game, then post".

If the player is fouled on the shot attempt and misses the shot then it is not recorded as an attempt.

LOL @ this owning cdub

 

[Nikolokolus]

And I wonder how many of those misses have been caused by fouls where he gets to the line and gets points with the clock stopped..... My guess is at least half

Kingspeed often says, "Learn the game, then post".

If the player is fouled on the shot attempt and misses the shot then it is not recorded as an attempt.

True nuff. But it should be pointed out that a player who can get to the line and shoot a high percentage there can considerably compensate for poor shooting from the floor. This is why Miller's true shooting percentage is 51% (which isn't great, but at least mirrors Steve Blake's true shooting percentages)

Regardless, Miller in a grind-out half-court offense is being severely miscast and without the ability to get layups in the open court is probably not much more useful than Sergio was when he was here.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Antonio Harvey warned this summer that Miller would be a bad locker room guy and would disrupt chemistry. Many posters shot down that theory.

I don't know if it is Miller, but the chemistry on and off the court is is not what it was last year. I think there is a good chance Miller might be the problem.

 

[BBert]

Regardless, Miller in a grind-out half-court offense is being severely miscast and without the ability to get layups in the open court is probably not much more useful than Sergio was when he was here.

Less useful. Sergio is a better outside shooter. Yes, Miller can get to the basket and finish and get to the line and make his free throws. There is value in that; if used properly. So far, not so much.

 

[RR7]

Antonio Harvey warned this summer that Miller would be a bad locker room guy and would disrupt chemistry. Many posters shot down that theory.

I don't know if it is Miller, but the chemistry on and off the court is is not what it was last year. I think there is a good chance Miller might be the problem.

I dunno, there was an interview in the WW with Channing, and I he alluded to something with the chemistry last season:

How much of a relief has it been to see some minutes?

That was huge. Me and Jason Richardson were talking, and it’s such a unique situation down here. No one is complaining. Everyone’s attitude is great. Sometimes you get on a team where you win a few games and everyone is kind of complacent, but it’s not like that. It’s hard to explain. Every game, nobody cares how many points they have or what this or that. It’s just, “Did we get the win?”

Is that a shift from Portland?
I think it is. You know, my time there was great. And the chemistry was there at times. But when you have a bunch of guys looking for contracts and a bunch of guys that are young, you know, it’s a lot of talent. It’s tough to control all that. I think so far they’ve done a pretty good job.

I think [Portland] just wasn’t the right situation at the right time, man. Portland is great organization, just top-notch everything. But for certain people, it’s just not going to work out there. There’s just so much talent there.

Do you think that caused chemistry problems here, because everyone was having to fight for minutes?

Yeah, I think so. I mean, what do you expect? Are people supposed to be happy they’re not playing? No player who puts in that much work wants to be on the bench, you know? They’re not mad at the coach, they’re not mad at the GM or anybody like that. They’re just upset because they want to get out there.

So, we can think everything was hunky dory last season and the season before, and that all these guys are happy and friends and hanging out, and they're going to play and stay together for 12 seasons, but that's not the case. And didn't seem to be the case last season, according to Channing. I think our chemistry was good, and I think it's still good now. It just needs some time to gel after some changes in the offseason.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I dunno, there was an interview in the WW with Channing, and I he alluded to something with the chemistry last season:





So, we can think everything was hunky dory last season and the season before, and that all these guys are happy and friends and hanging out, and they're going to play and stay together for 12 seasons, but that's not the case. And didn't seem to be the case last season, according to Channing. I think our chemistry was good, and I think it's still good now. It just needs some time to gel after some changes in the offseason.

That is interesting. For some reason to me, it doesn't seem like there is chemistry or general feeling these guys are all on the same page compared to last year . . . but maybe it was the same last year.

I don't think thre is good chemistry this year. Just watching the interaction on the court and statements made afterwards, it seems different than last year . . . maybe players weren't as vocal last year?

 

[Pontius]

Antonio Harvey warned this summer that Miller would be a bad locker room guy and would disrupt chemistry. Many posters shot down that theory.

I don't know if it is Miller, but the chemistry on and off the court is is not what it was last year. I think there is a good chance Miller might be the problem.

I've read countless Brandon Roy comments that would counter your assertion. It's seems Roy is the one with the problem and he's not afraid to blatantly state it. How is it that you are missing it?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I've read countless Brandon Roy comments that would counter your assertion. It's seems Roy is the one with the problem and he's not afraid to blatantly state it. How is it that you are missing it?

I guess I am just not as smart as you.

I was questioning chemistry and why we had it last year and not this year. If you are saying it is Roy, my thought is Roy was on the team last year and I don't recall these issues, but sure Roy can change and I personally have called Roy out (body langueage and quotes) before it started to be the trendy thing to do.

The part of my post that I was getting at is that Harvey practically callled it this summer . . . just strange that he called chemistry issues if Miller is signed, and sure enough Miller gets signed and there are chemistry issue., Doesn't mean it is automatically Miller, but got to at least look that way, IMO.