Millsap article (utah paper) makes him lookin' more like a Blazer

[Elton]

From the Deseret News:

Late last week they did supposedly offer a multiyear deal in the range of $7 million per season, with the possibility of going to $7.5 million over three years — but only after catching wind that Portland was preparing a generous offer.

When the Blazers proposed an average of $8 million over four years with so much money up front, then, Millsap reached for the closest pen.

So now the Jazz are left to check under couch cushions, pass the hat and search for a taker for Boozer via trade as they try to figure out how in the world they can scrape up $10.3 million in the next two weeks.

article here: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705316530/Miles-warned-Millsap-about-wait.html?pg=1

I live in the SLC area (pdx native though and proud Blazer fan!) and the local vibe/consensus seems to be that the Jazz played a little too much hardball with Millsap and it's gonna be tough to keep him now.

I think he may just be a Blazer by this weekend...

 

[hasoos]

That was probably printed before Utah got their luxury tax kicker back. That made it not so painful to match.

 

[RickyRubio]

Good news! Now everyone is going to think KP is a God again!

It is fun being on the other side of an ass fucking, isn't it? We are fucking Utah just like Memphis fucked us! I love this game!

 

[RickyRubio]

That was probably printed before Utah got their luxury tax kicker back. That made it not so painful to match.

What is a luxury tax kicker?

And it looks like this article was posted like 2 hours ago.

 

[Boob-No-More]

John Lund was on Wheels at work about an hour ago, and everyone he talked to in the Jazz organization (owners, GM, coaches) said they were going to match Portland's offer for Millsap. They will still have several months to move Boozer and minimize their luxury tax impact. They will still need to find a team with cap space to get involved, but from Lund's comments they didn't like Portland "bullying" them. By matching the offer, they are back in control. It's a risk, as they might not find a taker for Boozer and his contract, but at least they won't lose Millsap. And, the LT impact is only for this season as Boozer is an expriring contract. The Jazz are in pretty good shape financially. And, while they don't want to pay $11 - $12 milliuon in LT, they are one of the few teams that can afford to do so.

All indications from the Jazz are that they will match and retain Millsap.

BNM

 

[B-Roy]

John Lund was on Wheels at work about an hour ago, and everyone he talked to in the Jazz organization (owners, GM, coaches) said they were going to match Portland's offer for Millsap. They will still have several months to move Boozer and minimize their luxury tax impact. They will still need to find a team with cap space to get involved, but from Lund's comments they didn't like Portland "bullying" them. By matching the offer, they are back in control. It's a risk, as they might not find a taker for Boozer and his contract, but at least they won't lose Millsap. And, the LT impact is only for this season as Boozer is an expriring contract. The Jazz are in pretty good shape financially. And, while they don't want to pay $11 - $12 milliuon in LT, they are one of the few teams that can afford to do so.

All indications from the Jazz are that they will match and retain Millsap.

BNM

He said they have given the indication (more like hinted) that they are willing to match. I doubt they told him straight up that Millsap would be matched.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Utah will match.


It's not even worth talking about.

 

[Elton]

Here's another article with some interesting perspective...

http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_12826736

 

[alex42083]

The good news just keeps on coming huh. That'd suck if Utah decided they can afford to pay the tax for one year, and let it be.

 

[Sedatedfork]

John Lund was on Wheels at work about an hour ago, and everyone he talked to in the Jazz organization (owners, GM, coaches) said they were going to match Portland's offer for Millsap. They will still have several months to move Boozer and minimize their luxury tax impact. They will still need to find a team with cap space to get involved, but from Lund's comments they didn't like Portland "bullying" them. By matching the offer, they are back in control. It's a risk, as they might not find a taker for Boozer and his contract, but at least they won't lose Millsap. And, the LT impact is only for this season as Boozer is an expriring contract. The Jazz are in pretty good shape financially. And, while they don't want to pay $11 - $12 milliuon in LT, they are one of the few teams that can afford to do so.

All indications from the Jazz are that they will match and retain Millsap.

BNM

What they don't like bullying???? I just don't think there has been enough bullying. Time to send an email threatening a lawsuit if they match.

 

[hasoos]

What is a luxury tax kicker?

And it looks like this article was posted like 2 hours ago.

When team's go into luxury tax territory (over the salary cap by a certain amount) they are penalized dollar for dollar, and the money goes into a fund. That fund is split up so the teams under the cap get like 1/3 of it divided up between them, the NBA itself gets a piece, and then the remainder is split up amongst all the NBA teams. I believe that Utah got about 6 million from that, but the exact number escapes me currently.

 

[PapaG]

John Lund was on Wheels at work about an hour ago, and everyone he talked to in the Jazz organization (owners, GM, coaches) said they were going to match Portland's offer for Millsap. They will still have several months to move Boozer and minimize their luxury tax impact. They will still need to find a team with cap space to get involved, but from Lund's comments they didn't like Portland "bullying" them. By matching the offer, they are back in control. It's a risk, as they might not find a taker for Boozer and his contract, but at least they won't lose Millsap. And, the LT impact is only for this season as Boozer is an expriring contract. The Jazz are in pretty good shape financially. And, while they don't want to pay $11 - $12 milliuon in LT, they are one of the few teams that can afford to do so.

All indications from the Jazz are that they will match and retain Millsap.

BNM

Utah could have offered Millsap at any point after July 1st to a much more agreeable (for them) contract. They didn't, and suddenly they feel that Portland "bullied" them because Portland is doing all they can to get Millsap as an RFA?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Utah will match.
It's not even worth talking about.

And yet you manage to repeat yourself about ten billion times in various threads. Yes, we get it. You are convinced they will match. When they do, we shall hail you as the new Nostrodamus. Now you don't have to say it ANY MORE.

I wonder why they are holding out. Just to freeze up our cap space for the full seven days as a "fuck you back" kind of thing? Because they don't have to pay the luxury tax for a while, so it's not like they have to trade Boozer first...

 

[Mediocre Man]

And yet you manage to repeat yourself about ten billion times in various threads. Yes, we get it. You are convinced they will match. When they do, we shall hail you as the new Nostrodamus. Now you don't have to say it ANY MORE.

I wonder why they are holding out. Just to freeze up our cap space for the full seven days as a "fuck you back" kind of thing? Because they don't have to pay the luxury tax for a while, so it's not like they have to trade Boozer first...

Most teams take the full 7 days. And yes, it's to tie up the cap space of the other team.

 

[OddEnormous]

And yet you manage to repeat yourself about ten billion times in various threads. Yes, we get it. You are convinced they will match. When they do, we shall hail you as the new Nostrodamus. Now you don't have to say it ANY MORE.

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[tlongII]

I think it's a no-brainer that Utah will match. The thing I don't like is that we were far too conservative in our offer, imo. We should have thrown all the money we had at the guy.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

That was probably printed before Utah got their luxury tax kicker back. That made it not so painful to match.

I'm sorry, but that's bull-shit. I guarantee you that Utah had already accounted for this money (at least approximately), prior to receiving the check(s) late last week. They may not have known "exactly" how much they were going to get back, but they certainly knew a ball-park figure and had probably already forecasted for that amount to be in their budget for other operational expenses down the line. It's not like they got the check(s) as a complete surprise and, in turn, are now treating the money like it's a bonus.

 

[BIG Q]

So here is this hacks blame breakdown represented in his percentages;

Utah's '04 spending spree; 8%

Carlos Boozer opting in; 6%

Hedon't spurning Blazers; 22%

Portland Trail Blazers; 34%

Utah GM Kevin O'connor; 14%

Paul Millsaps Agents; 16%

So Utah is only responsible for 28% of the blame in Millsap getting a contact offer that is disvantagious to Utah. He puts as much blame on Boozer/Hedon't as he does the Jazz, and even more blame on the Blazers. Absurd. If this deal is so bad for the Jazz then they should have signed him to an extension last year. They did not want to do that. They wanted to gamble and see if they could get him on the cheap. They lost the gamble. they get 100% of the blame.

You can't blame Boozer, Hedon't, Millsap's management or Portland for Utah's poor handling of their negotiations. Only Utah could talk to Millsap last season and they elected to have him shop his services. Boo fucking hoo!

 

[RickyRubio]

And yet you manage to repeat yourself about ten billion times in various threads. Yes, we get it. You are convinced they will match. When they do, we shall hail you as the new Nostrodamus. Now you don't have to say it ANY MORE.

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You actually reported that? Wow.

 

[tlongII]

You actually reported that? Wow.

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[LittleAlex]

Good news! Now everyone is going to think KP is a God again!

It is fun being on the other side of an ass fucking, isn't it? We are fucking Utah just like Memphis fucked us! I love this game!

Why would I think he is a god for getting a 9 million dollar bench player?

Even with Milsap, KP would not have addressed the point guard situation or gotten a player that can create for themselves.

Milsap is nice, I guess. Much like the Hedo deal, it doesn't exactly thrill me.

So KP would have done something ok with the money, but nothing Earth shaking. No shame in it, but certainly not fantastic.

And certainly not the team changing move KP thought he would be able to do this off season.

 

[hasoos]

I'm sorry, but that's bull-shit. I guarantee you that Utah had already accounted for this money (at least approximately), prior to receiving the check(s) late last week. They may not have known "exactly" how much they were going to get back, but they certainly knew a ball-park figure and had probably already forecasted for that amount to be in their budget for other operational expenses down the line. It's not like they got the check(s) as a complete surprise and, in turn, are now treating the money like it's a bonus.

Um no I said it would make it so not painful to stomach the year of being over the cap. None of the bullshit you just went off on was even mentioned. I don't even know what you think your going off on here. I didn't even imply it was a suprise. What I was implying was that a owner who is based in the auto business that is struggling, it would make it much easier to sign them if you knew 6 million dollars was coming in the door. I really didn't say anything different.


So whats bullshit now?

 

[Minstrel]

I'm sorry, but that's bull-shit. I guarantee you that Utah had already accounted for this money (at least approximately), prior to receiving the check(s) late last week. They may not have known "exactly" how much they were going to get back, but they certainly knew a ball-park figure and had probably already forecasted for that amount to be in their budget for other operational expenses down the line. It's not like they got the check(s) as a complete surprise and, in turn, are now treating the money like it's a bonus.

Yup, exactly. This isn't an unexpected windfall, it was an expected revenue (and one Utah won't get next year if they match and can't find a taker for Boozer).

Utah has a good chance of matching, but I don't think it is guaranteed.

 

[Minstrel]

Um no I said it would make it so not painful to stomach the year of being over the cap. None of the bullshit you just went off on was even mentioned. I don't even know what you think your going off on here. I didn't even imply it was a suprise.

The point is, it doesn't change anything, because it's not new. You outright stated that it was now less painful for Utah to match due to that. That doesn't seem at all likely, because they had likely incorporated this money (or a similar figure) into their budget long ago. So it is exactly as "painful" now to match as it was a week or two ago.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Why would I think he is a god for getting a 9 million dollar bench player?

Even with Milsap, KP would not have addressed the point guard situation or gotten a player that can create for themselves.

Milsap is nice, I guess. Much like the Hedo deal, it doesn't exactly thrill me.

So KP would have done something ok with the money, but nothing Earth shaking. No shame in it, but certainly not fantastic.

And certainly not the team changing move KP thought he would be able to do this off season.

If Oden or Joel get hurt, a very real possibility given their histories, you will feel a lot more thrilled.

If Joel elects to opt out of his contract at the end of the season and finds a team that will pay and play him like a starter, you will feel a lot more thrilled.

You might even feel a bit of a thrill the next time we aren't forced to have Outlaw guard a PF that can bulldoze right over him.

IF we actually land Millsap, it won't be the best case scenario - but it will be a solid move to make us stronger at the power positions. (unless you REALLY have faith in Pendergraph becoming the sleeper of the 09 draft)

 

[Tortimer]

Utah is matching there isn't a question in my mind. Like some other people posted we could have made a better offer but I still think Utah would have matched. If your the Jazz you just can't let Millsap go no matter what. I think our offer is market value on Millsap and Utah would have eventually had to make that high of an offer to get him to sign anyway.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

Um no I said it would make it so not painful to stomach the year of being over the cap. None of the bullshit you just went off on was even mentioned. I don't even know what you think your going off on here. I didn't even imply it was a suprise. What I was implying was that a owner who is based in the auto business that is struggling, it would make it much easier to sign them if you knew 6 million dollars was coming in the door. I really didn't say anything different.


So whats bullshit now?

Seriously, is this that hard for you to understand?

 

[Paxil]

Utah isn't under tha cap... they wouldn't get any of the tax money... the Blazers do/will though. Isn't the 'toxic' part of their contact due to 1) they have 10 days to pay the front loaded bonus 10 mill? and 2) they have to pay lux tax on that 10 mill... so it really costs them 20 mill?

I don't think it is a given they match... even though that appears to be what we are hearing.

I also think the way we put that offer together was a bit like the Miles signing. Questionable. Within the rules sure... but it can't make people want to try to work with Portland.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

While Utah Jazz CEO Greg Miller, president Randy Rigby and vice president of basketball operations Kevin O'Connor haven't hit the streets and started panhandling in search of the quick cash they need to keep Paul Millsap, the team's decision-makers have been exploring urgent ways to raise money.

The solution, apparently, could come in the form of a bank loan.

Portland's offer mandates an immediate payout of a $5.6 million signing bonus -- the most allowed under NBA collective bargaining agreement rules -- and $4.7 million of his first-year salary.

That's a total of $10.3 million.

Cash.

Right now.

For an owner like Portland's Paul Allen, coming up with that kind of money in a hurry isn't a problem.

For Miller, Rigby, O'Connor and the Jazz, such a one-time payout won't be as easy to digest.

So, how do the Jazz come up with $10.3 million in cash, assuming they want to keep Millsap under contract?

Like John Q. Fan and most other NBA teams, the Jazz do not have the money sitting in a desk drawer at Miller's Jordan Commons office or tucked away in a savings account, waiting for the proverbial rainy day.

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/ci_12829703

 

[ehizzy3]

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