Minnesot T'Wolves Vs Portland Trail Blazers Summer League Game 3 - July 17th 2010

[Idog1976]

Luke Babbitt for MVP.

I had the sound down and missed his monster jam in real time. Looked nice.

 

[B-Roy]

Patty has some baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad shot selection.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Hell, I'm just glad it started to get a little more entertaining.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Patty has some baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad shot selection.

Nate must love that.

 

[Idog1976]

WOOHOO WE'RE GONNA WIN IT ALL HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SECOND HALF VERSUS THE EVER MIGHTY T-WOLVES!!!

 

[Idog1976]

Jarret Jack sighting!

 

[Darkwebs]

I hope Babbit can continue to stroke it like in the 3rd quarter. He was on fire from downtown, which was nice to see finally.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Really happy Mike and Mike are not calling this one. Good to not hear the same non-sense they repeated the first three games and a few pauses.

 

[B-Roy]

Patty just not playing smart...

 

[Ed O]

Patty just not playing smart...

I think he's doing fine... I mean, he's playing poorly, but I don't know that it's due to a mental failing. He's just not hitting his shots. He can't stop playing his game merely because the shots haven't fallen.

Compare that to Pendergraph, who's not a good shooter and yet has jacked up 11 shots (so far). Hopefully that's part of the gameplan, rather than JP going rogue.

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

I think he's doing fine... I mean, he's playing poorly, but I don't know that it's due to a mental failing. He's just not hitting his shots. He can't stop playing his game merely because the shots haven't fallen.

Compare that to Pendergraph, who's not a good shooter and yet has jacked up 11 shots (so far). Hopefully that's part of the gameplan, rather than JP going rogue.

Ed O.

He's had quite a few chances to pass up shots to better players, but chose to shoot it himself.

A lot of it probably is mental, but he's really committing some bad fouls, losing the ball on possessions, and making some stupid turnovers. I don't think it's a stretch to say he's not playing smart this game. He should have let Johnson set up the offense.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

no, Patty wasn't playing smart, Edward. getting his pocket picked at half court then giving up a stupid and-1. then he gave up a stupid and-1 again. and after Babbit was hot, I remember at least two times when Patty elected to shoot the ball instead of passing to the hot hand. Patty just doesn't have it.

 

[Ed O]

He's had quite a few chances to pass up shots to better players, but chose to shoot it himself.

I'm not sure there ARE better players on the team.

A lot of it probably is mental, but he's really committing some bad fouls, losing the ball on possessions, and making some stupid turnovers. I don't think it's a stretch to say he's not playing smart this game. He should have let Johnson set up the offense.

He's having a bad game, for sure. That's the danger of having a shoot-first PG... if they're not shooting well it's pretty common for them to hurt the team more than just missing shots.

I don't think that there's much that can be done about it, though. Mills is what he is. And the team is winning handily, so I don't know how much differently he should have played.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

no, Patty wasn't playing smart, Edward. getting his pocket picked at half court then giving up a stupid and-1. then he gave up a stupid and-1 again. and after Babbit was hot, I remember at least two times when Patty elected to shoot the ball instead of passing to the hot hand. Patty just doesn't have it.

Getting the ball stolen from you is not "smart"?

Haha.

OK.

What about missing a free throw? Is that dumb, too? What about losing a jump ball?

Ed O.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

Getting the ball stolen from you is "stupid"?

Haha.

OK.

Ed O.

lets recap the play. he was stupid in not protecting the ball. and then he was stupid in giving up a 3 point play. stupid all around.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

What about missing a free throw? Is that dumb, too? What about losing a jump ball?

Ed O.

you're actually comparing shooting a free throw to a PG getting his pocket picked like that near half court? guess Patty isn't the only one stupid tonight.

 

[B-Roy]

I'm not sure there ARE better players on the team.

I meant to players who had better looks.

He's having a bad game, for sure. That's the danger of having a shoot-first PG... if they're not shooting well it's pretty common for them to hurt the team more than just missing shots.

So stop shooting for a while. Why does he feel the need to jack up every shot he gets? And not just jumpers either.

I don't think that there's much that can be done about it, though. Mills is what he is. And the team is winning handily, so I don't know how much differently he should have played.

Ed O.

Fair enough, but I hope we don't get to see Patty and his playing style on the actual roster.

 

[Ed O]

you're actually comparing shooting a free throw to a PG getting his pocket picked like that near half court? guess Patty isn't the only one stupid tonight.

Nice. Glad to see you revert to ad hominem rather than just talking basketball

Players make mistakes all the time. The guys they play against are, you know, pretty good. It's not an intelligence failure to make a mistake, and it's not "not playing smart" for a shooter to keep shooting.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I meant to players who had better looks.

Gotcha.

So stop shooting for a while. Why does he feel the need to jack up every shot he gets? And not just jumpers either.

He's a shooter. It's how he's succeeded at every level of basketball. If he lacked blind confidence in his ability, he'd probably be in Canberra, macking on my lady friend. So I'm glad he has the confidence and is in Vegas, trying to earn another NBA gig. I'm too far away to stop him from stealing her.

Fair enough, but I hope we don't get to see Patty and his playing style on the actual roster.

That? That's something I can't disagree with... I mean, I might not agree about him being on the roster, but I can't say your opinion is wrong.

I think that Mills has a chance to be an offensive sparkplug off of the bench. Someone who comes in and hits threes and changes the tempo of a game. A faster Eddie House, perhaps. If he's ever going to become an above-average NBA player, it's that route... not changing his game to be a distributor or someone who stops shooting after a few misses.

Ed O.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Mills should certainly not make our regular season roster. Ugly game, but it was nice to see Luke hit a few.

 

[Idog1976]

lets recap the play. he was stupid in not protecting the ball. and then he was stupid in giving up a 3 point play. stupid all around.

+1 that was what I saw too. I think he's nervous and over thinking things. Funny that we would end up calling him stupid for over thinking things. He needs a lot more seasoning, but I think he has some NBA tools. Great range, good speed. He needs to work on protecting the ball and decision making. I'm not sure he would ever be better then a 2nd or more likely third string PG in this league.

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

It's not an intelligence failure to make a mistake, and it's not "not playing smart" for a shooter to keep shooting.

Ed O.

actually, it depends on the mistake. some mistakes are in fact caused by an 'intelligence failure'.

And it is pretty stupid for a PG trying to make the Blazers roster to keep shooting instead of passing to the hot hand. not the smartest way to impress Nate. that's just a lack of intelligence. Babbitt was wide open and had just hit 3 threes in a row... duh.

 

[jlprk]

The spreadsheet I keep after every game tells me that Krazy Krabbenhoft has led Games 2, 3, and now 4 in +/- per minute. And it's not close--he has led by a great margin over the 2nd place player each time.

When he is in the game, the Blazers surge ahead of the other team. Or, maybe he has been incredibly lucky to be in the 3 games right when we get our leads, and out of the games when we lose the lead.

In efficiency per minute, he has ranked 4, 6, 1, and now 6, so he is average there. Average eff, high +/- means complementary player.

 

[Cake]

Getting the ball stolen from you is not "smart"?

Haha.

OK.

Ed O.

Yeah, having the ball stolen can be a dumb play. Like nearly everything, it depends on the situation. On that play, he was completely ignoring the possibility of a guy sneaking up behind to steal the ball. He failed to see the play developing, which is a mental mistake. Also, he put himself in one of the worst positions on the court, just barely over half court with no help. He compounded it by giving up a horrid three point play. Yep...I agree that that was a pretty dumb play. It's quite obviously not at all similar to missing a free throw, which is a purely physical act.

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Anywho...Luke Babbitt. I'm glad to see he can actually put the ball on the deck and get his own shot. So far this summer, he's missed a lot of shots, but I'm fairly confident that he will start to have those shots fall as he gets more comfortable with the pace of the game. But the fact that he can/will take guys off the dribble is nice to see. It took Martel Webster a long while to get to the point where he would even try to take a guy off the dribble.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather cool it with the over the top critiques on Mills (or any other non-rotation player on the roster)? He either makes it on to the roster or he doesn't, but him making it or not isn't likely to be any great gain or loss. After all, we're talking about a 55th pick that was on the verge of getting cut at the end of training camp last year.

Me, I'm much more worried about the play of the guaranteed money guys like Pendergraph who don't appear to be making the case that they have improved a great deal from last year and can be regular contributor's in the event of injury.

 

[jlprk]

Babbitt's feet were much more mobile than last game, when they were simply dead. He must have been in pain then from whatever held him out of the practice a few days ago.

I read after Game 1 or 2 that the Coach told Mills to show some defense, so since then, he has. He gets fouls, and he fails to stop guys, but you can see he's trying a lot more on defense. Meanwhile, his decreased emphasis on offense is why he made some shots in Game 1, but hasn't shot well since.

Reyshawn Terry didn't play. He's been doing well, unnoticed. Nichols and Krabbenhoft got the minutes. Maybe they decided to invite Terry to camp and now they're checking the other forwards.

 

[jlprk]

The last game starts 17 hours from now. These guys better go to sleep.

 

[mgb]

It was nice seeing Babbitt hitting some NBA threes. From what I read he was comfortable with the college three, but not the NBA. Looks like he's getting more comfortable with the NBA 3.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The spreadsheet I keep after every game tells me that Krazy Krabbenhoft has led Games 2, 3, and now 4 in +/- per minute. And it's not close--he has led by a great margin over the 2nd place player each time.
When he is in the game, the Blazers surge ahead of the other team. Or, maybe he has been incredibly lucky to be in the 3 games right when we get our leads, and out of the games when we lose the lead.
In efficiency per minute, he has ranked 4, 6, 1, and now 6, so he is average there. Average eff, high +/- means complementary player.

I got that impression from watching too. He seemed surprisingly un-stiff-like. What was funny was that the Wolves had exactly the same player, only slightly taller, in Stiensma (sp)? Does Wisconsin just clone these guys?