Minutes Distribution - Poor Nate

[Minstrel]

Any "point guard of the future" that comes in is going to have to supplant Blake as the backup, or he's going to be in the same situation that Bayless is in now.

I would love to see us consolidate by trading for a young point guard and a solid backup power forward.

I think Blake/Bayless/Outlaw and possibly even Joel are going to have to be traded to alleviate some of the lineup pressures that are plaguing Nate.

Blake is on his final year of the contract. Now is a good time to acquire a young point guard and ease him in, IF Portland management decides Bayless isn't the answer. I'm definitely not convinced of that; I like Bayless' raw talent and think that his optimistic projection works well with Roy. But if Bayless continues to struggle, Portland doesn't have the luxury of waiting too long on him, unfortunately. Miller's clock is ticking and the team needs to have a replacement ready when Miller is done here, and I don't view Blake as that replacement.

If Portland were able to acquire a young point guard who's already established some amount of NBA performance (Sessions, of course, was my wish but that boat has sailed), then he can come in and battle Blake for minutes, spend next season as the solid backup point guard and be the starter in 2011-12 if he works out. Mike Conley Jr. is the type of point guard I'm talking about...not necessarily him, but that sort of developing young guy who's shown some competence but isn't a big-time prospect (such prospects won't be dealt).

 

[Natebishop3]

Blake is on his final year of the contract. Now is a good time to acquire a young point guard and ease him in, IF Portland management decides Bayless isn't the answer. I'm definitely not convinced of that; I like Bayless' raw talent and think that his optimistic projection works well with Roy. But if Bayless continues to struggle, Portland doesn't have the luxury of waiting too long on him, unfortunately. Miller's clock is ticking and the team needs to have a replacement ready when Miller is done here, and I don't view Blake as that replacement.

If Portland were able to acquire a young point guard who's already established some amount of NBA performance (Sessions, of course, was my wish but that boat has sailed), then he can come in and battle Blake for minutes, spend next season as the solid backup point guard and be the starter in 2011-12 if he works out. Mike Conley Jr. is the type of point guard I'm talking about...not necessarily him, but that sort of developing young guy who's shown some competence but isn't a big-time prospect (such prospects won't be dealt).

I agree on all points, but I'd rather trade Blake in his last year of his contract, rather than let him go for nothing.

 

[THE HCP]

Could somebody post last seasons average minutes played?

 

[Eastoff]

Could somebody post last seasons average minutes played?

too lazy to go to espn?

last season
andre: 36.3
blake: 31.7
bayless 12.4
roy 37.2
rudy 25.6
batum 18.4
outlaw 27.7
webseter (career)22.7
lma 37.1
jawun 11.2
oden 21.5
pryzbilla 23.8

 

[MARIS61]

Depth is an albatross unless you use it to keep your stars fresh.

Less than 15 mins a game stunts development, as we have seen with several players under Nate.

Blake 30
Roy 30
Rudy 30
Aldridge 30
Joel 30
Travis 30
Greg 15
Batum 15
Webster 15
Miller 15

Bayless, Howard, Ime...garbage minutes.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That is a lot of minutes for TrOut, but generally what I envision.

PG Miller 20 Blake 20 Bayless 8
SG Roy 23 Rudy 25
SF Batum 25 Roy 6 Outlaw 6 Webster 11
PF LA 30 Outlaw 12 Dante 6
C Greg 25 Joel 18 LA 5

No effing way.

Miller is a 32+ guy, Roy will play at least 35, Greg should hopefully be able to log about 28 (minimum), Rudy played 26 last year and has openly said he wants a bigger role, Nic is a year older and wiser, Martell is back in the mix and supposedly looking good, Outlaw (love him or hate him) has been a reliable 30 minutes a night reserve.

Best case I can envision goes something like this:
Miller 32/Blake 16
Roy 36/Rudy 26
Nic 20/Martell 14
LMA 36/Outlaw 12
Greg 28/Joel 20

Bayless DNP
Cunningham DNP
Howard DNP
Udoka DNP
Pendergraph DNP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Depth is an albatross unless you use it to keep your stars fresh.

Less than 15 mins a game stunts development, as we have seen with several players under Nate.

Blake 30
Roy 30
Rudy 30
Aldridge 30
Joel 30
Travis 30
Greg 15
Batum 15
Webster 15
Miller 15

Bayless, Howard, Ime...garbage minutes.

Looks like you've got the perfect recipe for developing two of this team's most promising young players all lined out.

 

[MARIS61]

Looks like you've got the perfect recipe for developing two of this team's most promising young players all lined out.

Batum played 18 last year and now has to give something for Martell to play.

Oden barely managed 21 minutes due to foul trouble and Nate will tighten his leash this year to make him work on the foul problem.

Obviously we will be trading a couple of pissed off players by February (Miller and Bayless I expect), and that may free up more minutes for the bench IF they have earned it.

Don't overlook the fact that Batum now has TO, Martell, and Rudy to fight with for PT, and Joel has made noticeable improvement every year he's been here and was far better than Oden last year.

Nobody is rolling over just to let these guys play more.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

PG: Miller 28 / Blake 16 / Roy 4
SG: Roy 22 / Fernandez 26
SF: Batum 24 / Webster 12 / Roy 10
PF: Aldridge 32 / Outlaw 16
C: Oden 28 / Przybilla 16 / Aldridge 4

Aldridge: 36 minutes
Roy: 36 minutes
Miller: 28 minutes
Oden: 28 minutes
Batum: 24 minutes
Fernandez: 26 minutes
Outlaw: 16 minutes
Przybilla: 16 minutes
Blake: 16 minutes
Webster: 12 minutes
Bayless: DNP
Howard: DNP

Thats as good as I can do. Does everyone realize that we can only have 12 people suited up? Some people have Cunningham playing.. but barring injury I don't see where. In my opinion, having Cunningham and maybe Bayless switch off playing in the D-League? Bayless would hate that though.

 

[Luther]

Batum isn't playing 30 mpg this year. He didn't avg. 20 mpg WITHOUT Martell on the roster...I just watched the training camp video and Martell looks good. I almost feel bad for Nate. Somebody is going to get the shaft.

 

[Rodolfo]

Batum isn't playing 30 mpg this year. He didn't avg. 20 mpg WITHOUT Martell on the roster...I just watched the training camp video and Martell looks good. I almost feel bad for Nate. Somebody is going to get the shaft.

Martell needs to look good playing against other NBA teams before he starts taking minutes from Nic.

 

[jlprk]

PG...Miller 25...Blake 19...Roy 4
SG...Roy 17...Fernandez 25...Bayless 6
SF...Batum 20...Webster 9...Roy 10...Udoka 9
PF...Aldridge 31...Outlaw 15...Cunningham 2
C.....Przybilla 22...Oden 22...Howard 4

next season total..per game..last season total..per game..player
2542 31 2903 37.2 *Roy
2542 31 3004 37.1 *Aldridge
2050 25 2976 36.3 *Miller
2050 25 1993 25.6 Fernandez
1804 22 1952 23.8 *Przybilla
1804 22 1314 21.5 Oden
1640 20 1454 18.4 *Batum
1558 19 2188 31.7 Blake
1230 15 2246 27.7 Outlaw
0738 09 2132 28.4 Webster (07-08)
0738 09 1035 15.4 Udoka
0492 06 0655 12.4 Bayless
0328 04 0353 07.1 Howard (07-08)
0164 02 Cunningham
0000 00 Pendergraph
19680 240 totals

* starter

Stunning big losses for all players except the centers, Rudy, and Batum. Pritchard didn't do his job. First he passed up his enormous LaFrentz advantage at the February midseason trade deadline. Then he made no consolidation trades in the summer. Now he may have to make a panic move at the midseason.

 

[axs88]

PG...Miller 25...Blake 19...Roy 4
SG...Roy 17...Fernandez 25...Bayless 6
SF...Batum 20...Webster 9...Roy 10...Udoka 9
PF...Aldridge 31...Outlaw 15...Cunningham 2
C.....Przybilla 22...Oden 22...Howard 4

Udoka with 9 minutes when he may not even make the team? Howard playing at center when we have two capable starters? Really? Wow... Are you just trying to make Maris look better? Ok, still way more realistic than that craziness.

 

[axs88]

Also, with "fringe" players (Bayless, Howard etc.) there is no point in comparing their MPG from last year as to how much they should get in a typical game, as they did not play in 82 games, like Bayless picked up almost 30 DNPs, but played more than what he averaged once Blake went down.

 

[jlprk]

Your 1st post: Udoka was way better than Webster and Outlaw when the team kicked him out 2 1/2 year ago. They're about the same players now as then. Your 2nd post: I know. That's why I went to all the trouble to show minutes from two angles--per game, and total for the season.

 

[axs88]

Your 1st post: Udoka was way better than Webster and Outlaw when the team kicked him out 2 1/2 year ago. They're about the same players now as then. Your 2nd post: I know. That's why I went to all the trouble to show minutes from two angles--per game, and total for the season.

Yes, he was better than Webster and maybe more consistent than Outlaw that year. But that was then. And now we have Batum, too.

As for your minute distribution, you divided 48 minutes between 14 players. Nate doesn't have to do that. It seemed to me that you were making the point (based on your proposed impossible distribution) that a lot of players would suffer a huge drop based from what they averaged last year.

OK, here's my 10 man rotation if everyone is healthy:

Miller 32, Blake 12, Bayless 4
Roy 26, Rudy 22
Batum 24, Webster 15, Roy 9
LMA 36, Outlaw 12
Oden 32, Przybilla 16

Since there will be injuries, quite a few of them can average more than this.

If Webster plays well, this is a tough one. Obviously I don't think Nate will play Miller and Batum this much (I have a feeling Blake, Webster and Outlaw will be on the court more, as Nate loves him some spot up 3 point shooting). I hope he will not limit Oden's minutes more than his fouls would just to please Joel.

So I agree with the general consensus that something needs to be done about this.

 

[jlprk]

Udoka with 9 minutes when he may not even make the team? Howard playing at center when we have two capable starters? Really? Wow... Are you just trying to make Maris look better? Ok, still way more realistic than that craziness.

Howard will get his 328 minutes especially when we DON'T have 2 good centers--when one's injured. If either Joel or Greg has his usual season-ending injury, Howard will get a thousand more minutes than that.

I have no idea what Maris has to do with this, other than that he won't like my low estimate of Outlaw's minutes. As for craziness, let's discuss yours. You have apparently envisioned, between the lines, an invisible prediction from me of Sergio's minutes with the Kings. That's the only way you could be thinking of Maris. I'm sure my invisible prediction would be higher than yours, because Sergio's a great passer. As a rookie, he ranked 4th on the Blazers in efficiency points per 48 minutes. Last year, his 3rd, he ranked 6th on the team. With or without defense, that's enough to keep him in the league for many years.

 

[axs88]

I have no idea what Maris has to do with this, other than that he won't like my low estimate of Outlaw's minutes. As for craziness, let's discuss yours. You have apparently envisioned, between the lines, an invisible prediction from me of Sergio's minutes with the Kings. That's the only way you could be thinking of Maris. I'm sure my invisible prediction would be higher than yours, because Sergio's a great passer. As a rookie, he ranked 4th on the Blazers in efficiency points per 48 minutes. Last year, his 3rd, he ranked 6th on the team. With or without defense, that's enough to keep him in the league for many years.

Ummm.... sure!

(BTW, I never understood the Sergio hate, sure he wasn't a good fit with Nate, but I saw him as a possibly fairly useful change of pace bench PG. I think it had a lot to do with a particular poster's over the top posts about him. I didn't mind those too much, neither him bashing Jack and Bayless (amazingly never Blake lately), but these days he's really taking it up a notch regarding Andre Miller. It's such a trainwreck, I can't help but click 'Display post'.)