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Who's your nomination for Most Improved Player?
Early in the season it looked like Giannis, but he wore out a little. I'm guessing the favorite is Clint Capela.
 
Demar DeRozan was looking like a candidate there for a while.

There also used to be a "Comeback Player" which got replaced by MIP. I would say Jrue Holiday would be a candidate for that, because I honestly thought he would just slowly slip out of the league with all those injuries.
 
I don't know who MIP will be but I do wanna know why everyone keeps saying hello to HCP in this thread.
 
Nurk deserves honorable mention I think..Oladipo is the winner though
 
riverman said:
Nurk deserves honorable mention I think..Oladipo is the winner though
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Nurk's stats when down this from year from when he played for us last year so I don't think he'll get any mention. He's kind of the opposite of MIP.
 
Oladipo
 
KingSpeed said:
Nurk's stats when down this from year from when he played for us last year so I don't think he'll get any mention. He's kind of the opposite of MIP.
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He only played 20 games for POR last year. MIP is an award for season to season performance. You need to look at his total performance from last season, not just the 20 games he played in Portland, and compare it to his total performance this season. So yes, he did improve, substantially. He got off to the slow start this year, compared to how he finished last year, but like last year, he is finishing strong this year, too.

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His scoring and rebounding are both career highs, but the improvement is not significant enough to get him in the discussion for MIP. His most significant improvement has been on the defensive end, where he has become the anchor of the most improved defense in the league (24th last year to 8th this year). Look at how much his DWS has gone up. Sadly, voters for this award will pretty much ignore defense and just vote based on how much someone's scoring has increased from last year to this year.

I do agree that Oladipo deserves to win, but if defense was weighted as heavily as offense, Nurk would deserve to be in the top 5 in the voting.

BNM
 
My only complaint with Oladipo is that I don't see that his game has changed - he's just been installed as the #1 guy. He's like Isaiah Thomas in Boston - Thomas wasn't really better, he was just in an ideal system (after being in a very much non-ideal system before). Playing alongside Westbrook when you're better with the ball is about as unideal as you can get.

Clint Capela, on the other hand, is suddenly a top 5 center, and he's stayed in exactly the same place as last season.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
There also used to be a "Comeback Player" which got replaced by MIP. I would say Jrue Holiday would be a candidate for that, because I honestly thought he would just slowly slip out of the league with all those injuries.
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Forgot obvious candidate Tyreke Evans. But he is unlikely to win anything given how shitty Memphis ended up being.
 
Jokic also deserves some votes - like Antetokounmpo, he made "the leap".

So does Dame, for that matter.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Forgot obvious candidate Tyreke Evans. But he is unlikely to win anything given how shitty Memphis ended up being.
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Evans has only played in 52 games this season, and only 6 since January 29:

Player Injury
(Personal): Evans is tending to a personal matter and it is undetermined when he will return to the lineup. (Updated Saturday, March 24, 2018)

He was basically hurting their tanking, err... I mean the development of their young players, sent home and told not to come back. Unfortunately, I don't think there is an award for that.

BNM
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Jokic also deserves some votes - like Antetokounmpo, he made "the leap".

So does Dame, for that matter.
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Did Jokic really make a leap? His per game numbers are up a little, but that's mostly due to playing more minutes. His per-100 possession and advanced stats are actually down. DEN added Paul Millsap, and they are pretty much exactly where they were the same time last year, battling it out for the final playoff spot in the West.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Did Jokic really make a leap? His per game numbers are up a little, but that's mostly due to playing more minutes. His per-100 possession and advanced stats are actually down. DEN added Paul Millsap, and they are pretty much exactly where they were the same time last year, battling it out for the final playoff spot in the West.

BNM
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They've won more games though. They only won 40 games last year. This year they have 46 and might win #47 tonight.
 
KingSpeed said:
Nurk's stats when down this from year from when he played for us last year so I don't think he'll get any mention. He's kind of the opposite of MIP.
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For the award, the whole season needs to be taken into consideration last year, not just when he played for us.
 
KingSpeed said:
Nurk's stats when down this from year from when he played for us last year so I don't think he'll get any mention. He's kind of the opposite of MIP.
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I disagree. After getting his weight down, which to me, helped him play through the year, he's playing his best BBall now. And he has been pretty consistant after a rough start. Next year he will have an excellent chance at this award. Blazers need to get him re-signed. They were saying he turned down a 80 mil. offer. Wants 100, on Denver radio the other day. They must have got that from somewhere. By the way, Denver hates him. He's public enemy #1. I give it to him because he has a huge ceiling and he is developing into quite a force. Yes, there will need to be writing in the contract, but I think Nurk wants to please. Let's go Nurk-u-ler.
 
KingSpeed said:
They've won more games though. They only won 40 games last year. This year they have 46 and might win #47 tonight.
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They added an "all star" in Millsap and Murray's scoring has improved by a lot more than Jokic's (6.8 more ppg for Murray vs. 1.5 more ppg for Jokic).

POR has improved by just as much, possibly more (from 41 wins to 48 or 49) and you're saying Nurk, whose scoring and rebounding averages improved by 4.1/1.8 and whose defense completely turned this team around on that end of the court doesn't deserve consideration, but Jokic, whose scoring and rebounding averages improved by 1.5/.9 does?

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
They added an "all star" in Millsap and Murray's scoring has improved by a lot more than Jokic's (6.8 more ppg for Murray vs. 1.5 more ppg for Jokic).

POR has improved by just as much, possibly more (from 41 wins to 48 or 49) and you're saying Nurk, whose scoring and rebounding averages improved by 4.1/1.8 and whose defense completely turned this team around on that end of the court doesn't deserve consideration, but Jokic, whose scoring and rebounding averages improved by 1.5/.9 does?

BNM
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Oh, I was just saying Denver has won more games than last year not that that meant Jokic should win MIP. Not that it means Nurk shouldn't. Just pointing it out when you said that Denver was in the same position last year. Playoff-wise yes but not total wins. That's all.
 
KingSpeed said:
Oh, I was just saying Denver has won more games than last year not that that meant Jokic should win MIP. Not that it means Nurk shouldn't. Just pointing it out when you said that Denver was in the same position last year. Playoff-wise yes but not total wins. That's all.
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Just pointing out that neither are we.

BNM
 
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