Mirotic to New Orleans for Asik and a 1st round pick (revived)

[Denny Crane]

That is a negative for sure. I like going after international players, but it seems to me that the Spaniards are too much of a headache. I know I should not generalize but they seem to act more like prima donnas than the rest of the foreign players.

I would hope he's matured and that getting the Chicago out of him might turn him into a high quality addition to whatever team he's on.

He's not starting in Chicago - they have a superstar in the making at PF. He still gets 24.9 MPG, though, and he is putting up great numbers for a guy playing many more MPG than that.

Using the draft pick or trading for him are both making a bet of sorts. The draft pick might turn into the next LeBron or the next Nolan Smith. At least the guy gets paid a minimal rookie scale salary for a few years. On the other hand, Mirotic is something of a sure thing. He's a sure fire NBA caliber starting PF for this team.

 

[illmatic99]

That is a negative for sure. I like going after international players, but it seems to me that the Spaniards are too much of a headache. I know I should not generalize but they seem to act more like prima donnas than the rest of the foreign players. Yes I know he also Montenegrin, but he still is listed as a Spaniard for his nationality too

Rudy was absolutely a prima donna, because he was a huge star in Europe before he came over. Same with guys like Rubio or Navarro. Going from top flight stars to bench players is an ego blow.

Guys like Sergio or Claver who weren't nearly as big on the Spanish national team.. not so much.

 

[ripcityboy]

Will not mention the words Neil Olshey today..... wait a minute, awww fuck!

 

[H.C.]

Mirotic worries me.
Not only does he sound like a dramaqueen, but he reminds me too much of other chicago stretch 4's.
They looked good for a bit, then became complete garbage.

 

[AFully22]

The bulls historically played him at SF. At PF full time, he's having the kind of season expected of him all along. Last season he was pretty good, too. 16/8 PER 36, and an even lower DRtg. His year over year progress at PF seems impressive to me, not so much fool's gold.

The Bulls had Noah and Gasol starting at PF/C with Taj Gibson as sub at PF, so the coaches played Mirotic at SF just to get him in the game.

The downside of Mirotic is that he's been a crybaby since his days with Madrid. He bitched about lack of playing time (even while being an MVP caliber player). I'm surprised he re-signed with the Bulls, though he was an RFA and the contract was a big/decent raise.

I guess we see it two different ways. I see it as a player who is extremely streaky in the middle of a great streak, you see it as a player who despite being streaky has shown improvement year to year and the sudden drastic uptick is more so caused by him playing in his correct position and role.

The reality is it’s probably a bit of both. For the right price I’m all in, I just struggle with a first rd pick being that price. I look at this deadline/offseason as our chance to make the needed roster changes to make a push at competing during Dames prime. So using our first rd pick on a player with so many unknowns like Mirotic when I believe it could and should be used for something bigger is difficult for me to get behind.

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess we see it two different ways. I see it as a player who is extremely streaky in the middle of a great streak, you see it as a player who despite being streaky has shown improvement year to year and the sudden drastic uptick is more so caused by him playing in his correct position and role.

The reality is it’s probably a bit of both. For the right price I’m all in, I just struggle with a first rd pick being that price. I look at this deadline/offseason as our chance to make the needed roster changes to make a push at competing during Dames prime. So using our first rd pick on a player with so many unknowns like Mirotic when I believe it could and should be used for something bigger is difficult for me to get behind.

Even when he wasn't streaky, he was better than what we have . And a sure known thing (starting PF for years) vs. a draft pick that might be the next Nolan Smith (or Myers Leonard).

 

[BigGameDamian]

Wish we had a thread designated for all the things that happen ARRRRRRROUUUUUNNNNDDDDD THE NBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you make one. I'll look forward to seeing the pictures.

 

[AFully22]

Even when he wasn't streaky, he was better than what we have . And a sure known thing (starting PF for years) vs. a draft pick that might be the next Nolan Smith (or Myers Leonard).

I agree he would be our starting PF but I don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade over Aminu when he’s shooting this well. I look at the first as an asset to be used in a larger trade as much as I do as a potential draft pick. I may be foolish in my thinking but, I just think there’s a bigger and better deal out there in good timing.

 

[Denny Crane]

I agree he would be our starting PF but I don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade over Aminu when he’s shooting this well. I look at the first as an asset to be used in a larger trade as much as I do as a potential draft pick. I may be foolish in my thinking but, I just think there’s a bigger and better deal out there in good timing.

Aminu seems to be the streaky one

Seriously, I've watched games and game thread where the ball goes to Aminu and people cringe when he puts up a 3.

Harmless, too.

The bet on Mirotic is that he'd be a good citizen (in the locker room, etc.), and that he'd continue to play as he has this season. Where else are you going to trade so little for a 15+ PPG guy when we need a 3rd or 4th option who can score?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

IMO, the best option for us would be to find a team who would give up a 1st and a backup wing in exchange for Napier and Vonleh, and try to flip that 1st and Harkless for Mirotic.

 

[AFully22]

Aminu seems to be the streaky one

Seriously, I've watched games and game thread where the ball goes to Aminu and people cringe when he puts up a 3.

Harmless, too.

The bet on Mirotic is that he'd be a good citizen (in the locker room, etc.), and that he'd continue to play as he has this season. Where else are you going to trade so little for a 15+ PPG guy when we need a 3rd or 4th option who can score?

Lol Aminu is definitely streaky, but his defense and chemistry in the locker room are sure things. Which I think he has over Mirotic.

I’ve been pretty open about wanting Rodney Hood (another streaky player) or striking a deal with Milwaukee centered around CJ, Middleton and Parker the that might need a first rd pick to make happen. Those are both hypotheticals, I get it, but it seems players unexpectedly hit the market all the time and that extra asset could be the difference maker in getting a player of higher caliber.

 

[Denny Crane]

Lol Aminu is definitely streaky, but his defense and chemistry in the locker room are sure things. Which I think he has over Mirotic.

I’ve been pretty open about wanting Rodney Hood (another streaky player) or striking a deal with Milwaukee centered around CJ, Middleton and Parker the that might need a first rd pick to make happen. Those are both hypotheticals, I get it, but it seems players unexpectedly hit the market all the time and that extra asset could be the difference maker in getting a player of higher caliber.

Aminu would be our starting SF still.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Aminu would be our starting SF still.

Not with Stotts as coach.

 

[AFully22]

Aminu would be our starting SF still.

Probably, which doesn’t create a lineup that excites me for the short or long term.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not with Stotts as coach.

I don't see that.

Stotts is playing him and started him 34 of 36 games he's played. Harmless fell out of the lineup for his awful play. ET is starting for lack of anyone else. And SF is Aminu's natural position.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I don't see that.

Stotts is playing him and started him 34 of 36 games he's played. Harmless fell out of the lineup for his awful play. ET is starting for lack of anyone else. And SF is Aminu's natural position.

Stotts has said over and over that Aminu's best position is PF.

 

[Denny Crane]

Stotts has said over and over that Aminu's best position is PF.

Given our other PFs, it is

 

[Denny Crane]

This changes things a bit:

 

[Chris Craig]

Stay in your lane Denny!

Drive erratically Denny, drive erratically

 

[Scalma]

Stotts has said over and over that Aminu's best position is PF.

Wasn’t Aminu supposed to play more SF this season? If Aminus best position really was PF why did we draft Swanigan?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Wasn’t Aminu supposed to play more SF this season? If Aminus best position really was PF why did we draft Swanigan?

My guess is BPA. Not saying he was, but I assume that was the reasoning.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm hearing the cavaliers are trying to get Mirotic now

 

[BonesJones]

IMO, the best option for us would be to find a team who would give up a 1st and a backup wing in exchange for Napier and Vonleh, and try to flip that 1st and Harkless for Mirotic.

Substitute Leonard for Harkless.
Then trade a 1st and Turner for Evans and expiring.

If Mirotic becomes a FA, it'd give us $10M in cap space. Trade away Harkless and a 2nd for space and wed have $19M to resign Evans woth, and then a $13M and $9M trade exception to restock the roster with.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Substitute Leonard for Harkless.
Then trade a 1st and Turner for Evans and expiring.

If Mirotic becomes a FA, it'd give us $10M in cap space. Trade away Harkless and a 2nd for space and wed have $19M to resign Evans with, and then a $13M and $9M trade exception to restock the roster with.

I wouldn't expect any of those to be remotely feasible.

 

[Sarni]

Asik and Leonard are both equally useless, however I think Asik is only guaranteed full $10M a year through 2018-19 only while $3M is guaranteed in 19-20.

I can't believe that Asik will earn over $80M playing basketball. I have no words.

 

[Scalma]

Asik and Leonard are both equally useless, however I think Asik is only guaranteed full $10M a year through 2018-19 only while $3M is guaranteed in 19-20.

I can't believe that Asik will earn over $80M playing basketball. I have no words.

There was a time he was good. I think.

 

[BBert]

My thought of course was that it affects the Blazers directly in 36 hours as a future opponent, but feel free to move without objection

I was getting ready to say that. Plus it affects our playoff race. IMO it's more news worthy than most 'around the NBA' stuff in that it more directly affects the Blazers than most NBA news.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Not sure what the holdup is for. If he is worth a 1st now, he should be worth a first in the offseason too.

I am ok not trading our pick. We have to build thru the draft.

 

[Sarni]

Not sure what the holdup is for. If he is worth a 1st now, he should be worth a first in the offseason too.

I am ok not trading our pick. We have to build thru the draft.

They want to keep cap space to resign Cousins.

I also reckon Mirotic should be tradeable in the Summer but this is the team that thought Asik was worth $10M a season, they have all the reason in the world to be careful now.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

They want to keep cap space to resign Cousins.

I also reckon Mirotic should be tradeable in the Summer but this is the team that thought Asik was worth $10M a season, they have all the reason in the world to be careful now.

Trade him. Guessing teams like the Nets would give up a second at.the minimum.