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calvin natt said:
Amazing. Glad I can avoid this rule. Cuz, you know, my wife trusts I won’t mess with a woman because she’s standing next to me
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It has nothing to do with trust between a husband and wife.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It has nothing to do with trust between a husband and wife.
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Personally, I think this journalist, below, has it all wrong. The so-called Billy Graham Rule was not about Billy Graham not trusting himself so much as was/is about potential he-said, she-saids, should he be "set up." And don't think for a second that there weren't folks out there ready and willing to do just that. I think it's a great rule, which removes all possibilities of the aforementioned actually happening.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ac6bb02d01d_story.html?utm_term=.7c274e6dfb4b

But unfortunately, there’s not a single inch of moral high ground achieved via the Billy Graham rule, which purports to honor marriage vows. In similar fashion, Vice President Pence once said he would not dine with a woman to whom he wasn’t married. But rules like these don’t honor your wife. They just presume that your marriage vows are so flimsy that you can’t be trusted to uphold them unless a babysitter monitors you. It’s rather like a thief sanctimoniously announcing that he brings a parole officer every time he goes to the bank to make sure he doesn’t rob it. Good for you, dude, for knowing your own limitations — but it doesn’t make you better than the rest of us, who manage to regularly not steal things even when we’re completely alone.....
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It has nothing to do with trust between a husband and wife.
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If you live your life thinking women are going to make shit up about you....you might have an ego problem. And if you do nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. And it has everything to do with trust between husband and wife or why make a pact about it? Is it “hey someday a woman might make a story up about you so let’s make an agreement to never be alone with the opposite sex?” That is ridiculous.
 
calvin natt said:
If you live your life thinking women are going to make shit up about you....you might have an ego problem. And if you do nothing wrong then you have nothing to worry about. And it has everything to do with trust between husband and wife or why make a pact about it? Is it “hey someday a woman might make a story up about you so let’s make an agreement to never be alone with the opposite sex?” That is ridiculous.
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Some people have a lot more to lose if/when a story is made up about them. Obviously, you have nothing to be concerned about.
 
ABM said:
Some people have a lot more to lose if/when a story is made up about them. Obviously, you have nothing to be concerned about.
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Lol. And you do? Check the ego at the door and realize 99.99% of women aren’t sitting around plotting how to ruin some random dudes life.
 
calvin natt said:
Lol. And you do? Check the ego at the door and realize 99.99% of women aren’t sitting around plotting how to ruin some random dudes life.
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Dude, I'm the same little raft as you.
 
What if you work with females? Are they allowed to be around you alone? I mean, that’s a real double whammy of being accused of sexual assault AND workplace sexual harassment. How would one explain that? I can’t have a meeting with Mary because she’s a woman and might tell people I tried to grope her.
 
calvin natt said:
I’ve got plenty to lose. As I’m sure you do. I just don’t live life worrying about the .001% of women plotting against a man.
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Well, there ya go, then. Fish on!
 
ABM said:
Personally, I think this journalist, below, has it all wrong. The so-called Billy Graham Rule was not about Billy Graham not trusting himself so much as was/is about potential he-said, she-saids, should he be "set up." And don't think for a second that there weren't folks out there ready and willing to do just that. I think it's a great rule, which removes all possibilities of the aforementioned actually happening.
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Is it though? How do guys who follow this rule ever get married in the first place? Or is the concept somehow that unmarried men can't be "set up"?

For those of you who follow this rule, were you ever alone with your wife before marriage?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Is it though? How do guys who follow this rule ever get married in the first place? Or is the concept somehow that unmarried men can't be "set up"?

For those of you who follow this rule, were you ever alone with your wife before marriage?

barfo
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If I were Billy Graham, et al, I'd work to be certain I was never set up. Me, personally? The thought never crossed my mind,
 
barfo said:
Is it though? How do guys who follow this rule ever get married in the first place? Or is the concept somehow that unmarried men can't be "set up"?

For those of you who follow this rule, were you ever alone with your wife before marriage?

barfo
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I mean really, who ever needs to be alone with a woman? What’s the possible benefit to such nonsense
 
calvin natt said:
I’ve got plenty to lose. As I’m sure you do. I just don’t live life worrying about the .001% of women plotting against a man.
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I don't live life worrying about it either, nor should I, as I strive to never give anyone even the thought that they may accuse me of something. I can however understand why a politician may have some sort of rule like this. They are under a lot more public scrutiny than I am. I can't think of anyone that would really have much to gain from accusing me of sexual harassment.
 
calvin natt said:
I’ve got plenty to lose. As I’m sure you do. I just don’t live life worrying about the .001% of women plotting against a man.
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Either do I. We are talking bout politicians here, men in power. A growing number of them have been acused of things. Many rightfully so. But, there have also been false accusations. I understand the candidates reasoning.
 
Chris Craig said:
Either do I. We are talking bout politicians here, men in power. A growing number of them have been acused of things. Many rightfully so. But, there have also been false accusations. I understand the candidates reasoning.
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But there are people in here who do this.
 
Non-story here. A married man not wanting to be alone with another woman for an extended period of time for religious or moral reasons is NOT uncommon, nor is it unacceptable. And given the proclamations of this country being a “rape culture”, you can’t blame a person for playing it safe.

I had a coworker who’s wife was uncomfortable about him sharing an office with another female coworker. Arrangements were made to accommodate them, it wasn’t a big deal, and the sun did rise the next day.

I will say the guy could have handled it better to make it easier for himself and others, but like others said, he doesn’t appear to be that smart.
Hey, maybe that’s a revelation though, a politician that is too dumb to be conniving. We may be onto something here.

Alternate scenario:

The guy just didn't want anybody with him because he was going to bang hookers on his trip and he didn’t want the old lady to find out.
 
jonnyboy said:
Non-story here. A married man not wanting to be alone with another woman for an extended period of time for religious or moral reasons is NOT uncommon, nor is it unacceptable. And given the proclamations of this country being a “rape culture”, you can’t blame a person for playing it safe.

I had a coworker who’s wife was uncomfortable about him sharing an office with another female coworker. Arrangements were made to accommodate them, it wasn’t a big deal, and the sun did rise the next day.

I will say the guy could have handled it better to make it easier for himself and others, but like others said, he doesn’t appear to be that smart.
Hey, maybe that’s a revelation though, a politician that is too dumb to be conniving. We may be onto something here.

Alternate scenario:

The guy just didn't want anybody with him because he was going to bang hookers on his trip and he didn’t want the old lady to find out.
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Your co workers wife has issues.
 
We don't know the full situation with dude or his wife. I'm not gonna judge.

If dude doesn't want to be with her by himself why do we care?

Ninja got rekt for the same thing.

“I don’t play with female gamers,” says Tyler “Ninja” Blevins, Twitch’s biggest streamer and one of the faces of the Fortnite fandom. This edict may be surprising to hear, especially as emphatically as Blevins said it when we spoke at a recent Samsung event.


Though Blevins isn’t shy about being married, and his more than 10 million subscribers include people of every gender identity, the internet’s love of gossip has convinced the Twitch star not to invite women to participate in his Fortnite Battle Royale livestreams. With fame comes scrutiny of every thing you say or do, he suggested, and that can sometimes lead to questions about who you’re sleeping or flirting with on the sly.

“If I have one conversation with one female streamer where we’re playing with one another, and even if there’s a hint of flirting, that is going to be taken and going to be put on every single video and be clickbait forever,” Blevins told Polygon.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.po...2018/8/11/17675738/ninja-twitch-female-gamers
 
calvin natt said:
Nope. But the fact she can’t handle her guy sitting in a freaking office with a woman tells me all I need to know. Ridiculous
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You'd be surprised with some people, men or women. I generally don't give a shit, but I've worked with some coworkers straight up bat shit crazy. And I knew I could not be with that person alone.
 
Hobbesarable said:
You'd be surprised with some people, men or women. I generally don't give a shit, but I've worked with some coworkers straight up bat shit crazy. And I knew I could not be with that person alone.
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Then you refuse to work/sit with that particular person. Because they are bat shit. That’s different than blanketing all women as a threat.
 
calvin natt said:
Then you refuse to work/sit with that particular person. Because they are bat shit. That’s different than blanketing all women as a threat.
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No, I've experienced this coworker making false accusations towards me and other people. This usually happens when this person is alone with somebody else. I know this person is bat shit crazy and so do some other people because of experiencing it. So, that has changed how I am around certain people now. Not all, but some. It's not a fun experience and I can only imagine how it would be magnified with a person in politics.
 
calvin natt said:
Nope. But the fact she can’t handle her guy sitting in a freaking office with a woman tells me all I need to know. Ridiculous
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I did mean like a small single room office, not like an office building, to be clear. Not sure if that detail makes a difference.
Everyone lives a different experience. It’s quite possible that not everyone demonstrates the same gleaming self-assurance as you in their relationships.
 
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