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It wasn't as obvious in the regular season but now in the playoffs i really am. I don't see how his shot would be off as badly as Outlaw's has been...
 
I missed Webster all season long. I thought he was going to start putting a complete game this year with how he was playing in pre season, and how he worked with Rudy so well. You can always use more 3 point shooters, and the facts are everyone in the organization thought he was the teams best 3 point shooter, at least until Rudy showed up.
 
I didn't expect Outlaw to struggle this much, but having Webster would definitely be nice now.
 
I think we've missed his game all season. He could have helped out big-time!
 
He is with us here in Houston. It is cool to see him stick 3 after 3 after 3 when the guys are shooting around. He will be huge for us next year!
 
Noice! I want to see his improved handles and hopefully he is more offensive minded. He should be the 3rd option, he's an offensive stud and I cannot wait!

have outlaw be the backup 4!
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Noice! I want to see his improved handles and hopefully he is more offensive minded. He should be the 3rd option, he's an offensive stud and I cannot wait!

have outlaw be the backup 4!
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I really hope Martell has suddenly morphed into this offensive stud you are talking about, I love Nic's D, but he's just not quite ready to be a reliable outlet on offense. On the plus side, at least he's cheap.
 
I know it was just 1 game, but he looked amazing in the pre-season game against the KINGS.
 
HispanicCausinPanic said:
I know it was just 1 game, but he looked amazing in the pre-season game against the KINGS.
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two operative words in there: "kings" and "preseason" ... which doesn't automatically disqualify him from having a breakout year (because yes he did look VERY impressive with his athleticism and aggressiveness in that brief flash), but it's a lot to count on for a guy missing a whole year.
 
I think alot of Webster's early struggles were mainly mental.

He has a scorer's mentality. Hopefully sitting a year helps him see the game and offense in a different light.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
I think alot of Webster's early struggles were mainly mental.

He has a scorer's mentality. Hopefully sitting a year helps him see the game and offense in a different light.
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Some of his struggles aren't mental - they're mechanical. He has trouble handling the ball - something he greatly needs to improve on if he's ever going to be a 15-20 ppg type of scorer. With his athletic ability (he's actually got pretty good hops) and his ability to shoot, he should be able to get to the basket more.

He's very methodical and predictable when he decides to drive to the basket. He never goes straight in (I think partially b/c he doesn't trust his handles) He always comes to that hop/jump stop and then goes up of two feet. That's just not going to get it done. He ends up getting his shot blocked or double clutching a lot, and those are tough shots to make.
 
Martell is a huge wildcard for this team next season. It appeared both through the 1 preseason game and the news around him that he was putting a serious effort into more of a driving and slashing game than the usual. But let me all ask you this, why on offense does Batum play EXACTLY like Martell Webster? They both stand to the side and wait for the 3 ball or swing it. Are you that naive to think that Batum has the same offensive game as Webster? The more likely scenario is that Coach Nate doesn't know what to do with his small forwards on offense and tells them to stand to the side and wait for the ball.
 
AmirIcon said:
Martell is a huge wildcard for this team next season. It appeared both through the 1 preseason game and the news around him that he was putting a serious effort into more of a driving and slashing game than the usual. But let me all ask you this, why on offense does Batum play EXACTLY like Martell Webster? They both stand to the side and wait for the 3 ball or swing it. Are you that naive to think that Batum has the same offensive game as Webster? The more likely scenario is that Coach Nate doesn't know what to do with his small forwards on offense and tells them to stand to the side and wait for the ball.
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Nate got 4th in COY voting. I think he knows more than you think.
 
axs88 said:
And Mike Dunleavy was COY in 1999. As was Rivers in 2000.
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Rivers got an Orlando team of scrubs led by Darrell Armstrong and Ron Mercer to a 41-41 record; that's pretty amazing.

I think he did ok last year as well.
 
All the coaches listed above know more than the people who criticize them.
 
Tince said:
All the coaches listed above know more than the people who criticize them.
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Isn't that true of anyone who's ever coached in the NBA, though?

And yet, still, coaches manage to get fired.

I don't see how or why Nate should be immune from criticism just because he knows more than we do about coaching.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Isn't that true of anyone who's ever coached in the NBA, though?

And yet, still, coaches manage to get fired.

I don't see how or why Nate should be immune from criticism just because he knows more than we do about coaching.

Ed O.
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Yes, you are correct on everything you said. EVERY NBA coach knows more than us. They get hired and fired by people who know more than us.

Can we criticize them? Absolutely. However, it seems that a lot of the people that criticize the most are arm chair quarterbacks and that point out mistakes after the fact. I also notice that people often fail to take stamina, rotation, chemistry, future rotations/matchups, past achievements, and experience into consideation when they want people getting more minutes. But the biggest laugher is when people criticize the X's and O's of NBA coaches.

I'm sure all of you must everyone here is an expert at their job. Think about how if Joe Blow came off the street and made some snap shot judgment of what you are doing, but he's never been in any meeting, isn't aware of the prep work, or doesn't know the restrictions that you are facing going into your final product. I'm sure you'd think that guy was an idiot. Sure, he has every right to be an idiot, but that doesn't mean he should be an idiot.

I don't mind people offering suggetions, but when they make concrete statements that imply they know what's going on better than some NBA coach, then they should be put in their place IMO.
 
Tince said:
I don't mind people offering suggetions, but when they make concrete statements that imply they know what's going on better than some NBA coach, then they should be put in their place IMO.
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I understand, and now see the difference between general criticisms and specific ones and why you make that distinction.

Personally, I almost never criticize specific moves or plays because I DON'T know nearly as much as even the least knowledgable NBA assistant about that stuff... at the same time I have doubts about Nate's ability to get the most out of this team both in the short and long runs.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
I understand, and now see the difference between general criticisms and specific ones and why you make that distinction.

Personally, I almost never criticize specific moves or plays because I DON'T know nearly as much as even the least knowledgable NBA assistant about that stuff... at the same time I have doubts about Nate's ability to get the most out of this team both in the short and long runs.

Ed O.
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I rarely, if ever, recall thinking you crossed that "know-it-all" level.

I think Nate, to this point, has to be one of the best fits for this team. Is he the perfect fit long term? Don't know. Can we get a better coach? I don't see one available right now.
 
I've been saying this all season...

But it's funny how some kept thinking we should trade Webster when Outlaw was playing well. If Outlaw plays decently today, we'll get those posts again.

Flavor of the week I guess.
 
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